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  1. swanlee's Avatar
    It is becoming more and more apparent that MS intened win 10 to work more like win 7 on tablets than Win 8. What is this nonsense? Win 10 is releasing in a few months and they seem very stuck on Taskbar in tablet mode and nuking win 8 swipes, no full smart screen as an option etc.

    Why? Why throw away the good parts of Win 8?
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    03-19-2015 02:12 PM
  2. theefman's Avatar
    Windows 10 defense force, assemble!!!
    03-19-2015 02:14 PM
  3. swanlee's Avatar
    I don't see how anyone can defend having an OS act like Win 7 on a tablet. I used Win 7 on a tablet and it sucked and that's why Win 7 tablets barely sold anything.
    Last edited by swanlee; 03-20-2015 at 08:07 AM.
    03-20-2015 06:20 AM
  4. Rasetech's Avatar
    you know that its preview software, that the tablet mode was added just the release before 10041 and that the OS is not finished yet?
    03-20-2015 07:24 AM
  5. anon(5818411)'s Avatar
    maybe you should get off the fast ring then...
    03-20-2015 07:27 AM
  6. swanlee's Avatar
    Why get off the fast ring just so I can be stuck with crappy desktop features longer? If anything I want to get on the daily release ring so Tablet fixes can get to me quicker.

    Win 10 launches in July and their has been every indication from the devs and Joe B that this is the intended way Win 10 will work on tablets.

    Mandatory taskbar even in tablet mode, charm bars gone, no swipe ahead to scroll through apps, no Metro IE, no full screen Start like Win 8 etc.

    What makes Win 10 bad on Tablets is not anything glitchy or bugs it is the actual intended design of Win 10 on tablets that is a huge step back from Win 8.

    The Win 8 GUI got out of the way on tablets and that is the way it should be, Win 10 on tablets shoves gui elements in your face you don;t need whihc takes up screen space and swipes are not nearly as natural as Win 8
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    03-20-2015 08:07 AM
  7. Jas00555's Avatar

    Win 10 launches in July



    Where have you seen evidence of this? They said that Windows 10 will by ready by Summer, which runs until September 21, which is a little over 6 months away. There is still plenty of time to add more tablet features.
    and their has been every indication from the devs and Joe B that this is the intended way Win 10 will work on tablets.
    Such as? I haven't seen anything about the way Windows 10 will work on tablets other than "there will be more features added in the coming months".
    03-20-2015 08:41 AM
  8. loribinca's Avatar
    My hope is that they do add back in the old windows 8 stuff and give you the option to run it - I just rolled my desktop back to windows 8.1 because I lost the start screen in this new build - this is not just for tablets by the way - the new full-screen start menu just looks awful on a WHQD display.
    03-20-2015 10:01 AM
  9. swanlee's Avatar
    Here is Joe Belifore stating the taskbar is intended in tablet mode,

    Guys Win 10 is launching in a few months, we have a pretty clear direction for what they intend Win 10 to be for tablets and that is pretty much going to act like Win 7 on a tablet which was a horrible experience and a huge downgrade from Win 8 on tablets. Now is not the time to be lax and think they are going to fix everything. If we wait for release it will be to late for major changes.

    Full start screen is gone, Charms are gone, Taskbar is mandatory, alot of swipe commands are missing. This is not getting fixed in a few short months and appears to be how MS intends it to work.



    joebelfiore ‏@joebelfiore

    @benstoic yep, we intend taskbar to be present in tablet mode. Thats quick access to start menu (4 pcs w no HW button), + Cortana, taskview
    03-20-2015 12:40 PM
  10. AndyCalling's Avatar
    There's always Win8. I've pretty much abandoned the idea of Win10 and am likely to skip it and wait for Win11. I suspect many will do the same.

    Win10 is really just to provide Win7 users with a basic desktop upgrade path. We will have to wait for an upgrade path for Win8. There are now effectively two skus, one for desktop and one for touch.
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    03-20-2015 12:53 PM
  11. wpfan86's Avatar
    There's always Win8. I've pretty much abandoned the idea of Win10 and am likely to skip it and wait for Win11. I suspect many will do the same.

    Win10 is really just to provide Win7 users with a basic desktop upgrade path. We will have to wait for an upgrade path for Win8. There are now effectively two skus, one for desktop and one for touch.
    Seriously? You've already decided that W10 is a bust based on a technical preview with release still 3-6 months away?
    Instant gratification society at its finest.
    03-20-2015 01:00 PM
  12. loribinca's Avatar
    And that's so disappointing Andy.

    Earlier builds still gave me the option of keeping the old Windows 8 startscreen experience, and gave me the desktop with apps in windows.

    Not sure why they felt it necessary to remove this option.
    03-20-2015 01:02 PM
  13. swanlee's Avatar
    There's always Win8. I've pretty much abandoned the idea of Win10 and am likely to skip it and wait for Win11. I suspect many will do the same.

    Win10 is really just to provide Win7 users with a basic desktop upgrade path. We will have to wait for an upgrade path for Win8. There are now effectively two skus, one for desktop and one for touch.
    Yea I suspect Win 8 will be the Win XP for tablets. Bummer cause I like Cortana, Xbox Game Streaming and Spartan looks like a good browser.

    I just want the Win 10 GUI/touch navigation to work like Win 8 does now on my tablet with all the new features and performance tweaks of Win 10. They have ruined the GUI and touch navigation for Tablets.
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    03-20-2015 01:02 PM
  14. swanlee's Avatar
    Seriously? You've already decided that W10 is a bust based on a technical preview with release still 3-6 months away?
    Instant gratification society at its finest.
    For tablets Yes it is a bust and not because of bugs of the TP but because MS reps have stated this is the INTENDED way Win 10 is supposed to work on Tablets.

    It is a HUGE downgrade in GUI and Touch Navigation for Tablets. This is not getting fixed by release since somehow this is how MS wants Win 10 to work. What you are seeing is what you are getting in RTM with a few tweaks.

    It is literally a few months from RTM they are not going to re introduce all the missing Win 8.1 features for tablets in that short time.
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    03-20-2015 01:05 PM
  15. AndyCalling's Avatar
    Seriously? You've already decided that W10 is a bust based on a technical preview with release still 3-6 months away?
    Instant gratification society at its finest.
    What on earth has 'instant gratification' got to do with it? All I'm saying is that I am not going to swap out an OS that works well with both touch and desktop modes for one that is clearly not designed to fulfill that same role. I'm saying I'm prepared to WAIT for Win11. That is completely the opposite. I suppose you could call me out for wanting delayed gratification, but instant? You mad bro?
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    03-20-2015 01:07 PM
  16. loribinca's Avatar
    Seriously? You've already decided that W10 is a bust based on a technical preview with release still 3-6 months away?
    Instant gratification society at its finest.
    But it seems to me if you look at the 'history' of the preview, with each build they remove more and more of the way windows 8 / 8.1 worked - this suggests that windows 10 is going to look more like windows 7 did and remove all the stuff that made it tablet friendly

    I won't even run 10 on my desktop if they have removed the start screen, unless there are major improvements to the start menu in it's current form. To me, its not a good experience on my Catleap WHQD display over what windows 8 / 8.1 gave me
    03-20-2015 01:26 PM
  17. swanlee's Avatar
    Yep

    Their is nothing about what the Devs have already said or the progression of Win 10 TP releases that suggest the Win 8.1 experience is coming back. In fact every release pushes us further back from the Win 8.1 tablet experience.

    MS have completely lost their minds

    Here is MS's own concept video for future Tech, notice the Tablet UI's barely have any GUI at all and the GUI get's out of the way allowing more screen real estate to content consumption? How the heck are we going to get tablets like this when they are shoving Taskbar's and desktop GUI elements in our face in Tablet mode?



    If you had told me Win 10's tablet Gui was made after Win 7 and Win 8 was the new Tablet GUI I would believe you. Win 10 is a leap back to Win 7 like tablet experiences.
    03-20-2015 01:39 PM
  18. anon(5335899)'s Avatar
    The "it's a preview" argument really does not apply here anymore. With the release being 3-4 months away there is no room or time to change things around as drastically as would be required to re-instate the StartScreen and proper Touch Interface.

    MSFT have caved in to the very loud and train wreck trolls who basically refuse to adopt and learn new things and instead want to remain with XP. Same thing happened with Xbox where some very innovative and forward thinking ideas were quashed before they even had a chance (and later turned out to possibly being some key/killer innovation and features).

    I really hope I will be proven wrong, but I an afraid and pretty sure I will not be. There is so much that's wrong with tablet mode at the core that it will be next to impossible to fix in time for release.
    03-20-2015 01:50 PM
  19. theolympusguy's Avatar
    Every one complains about it and its not even done. I hope they fix or change a lot of tablet features but I appreciate being able to be part of that build process. I will keep my complaints for the final version.
    03-20-2015 01:58 PM
  20. astondg's Avatar
    I'm all for moving forward with design and user interaction and I'll reserves my opinion on W10 until it's released. BUT so far the feeling I'm getting from users of W8.1, MS & the preview builds is that a lot of the cool stuff, the stuff I felt made me more productive, from 8.1 is going away. If it does then I'll be a bit annoyed. I was already bemused by people saying W8.1 was a failure, but whatever, don't use it. Now though those sentiments seem to be screwing up my experience too. I had a good thing but because people hate change I'm losing it.

    I find Windows 8.1 works really well across both tablet AND desktop, I'm always marveling at the way I can easily do things like sharing between apps & to my Xbox, searching apps, files & the web, transitioning between desktop & tablet with my SP3. I even like using the Modern apps in a desktop sense because of the adjustable snapping and the sharing between apps. I feel more productive.

    Anyway, like I said, I'll wait a few builds and see how things progress before I install on my Surface and then hold back my final opinion until it's complete and I've had some time to get used to it.
    03-20-2015 02:02 PM
  21. swanlee's Avatar
    Every one complains about it and its not even done. I hope they fix or change a lot of tablet features but I appreciate being able to be part of that build process. I will keep my complaints for the final version.
    Uhh would it be better to complain AFTER they are done and have no chance to fix these issues? The preview is for complaints and bug fixes. THIS is the time to complain not after it goes final.
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    03-20-2015 02:04 PM
  22. astondg's Avatar
    I will keep my complaints for the final version.
    That's how I feel too and I plan to reserve my final opinion, but we do need to be giving specific feedback to MS now otherwise we can't really complain when it's released and we don't like it.
    03-20-2015 02:07 PM
  23. AndyCalling's Avatar
    It is already clear that MS feel they went too far, too fast with Win8. We all know, even MS knows, that a more flexible OS with a real touch interface is a destination MS must reach. They just want to keep the legacy crowd in tow. They may have been too early with Win8 but since (and in no small part because of) the Win8 release the landscape has changed. It is too late to release a legacy OS alone, now. That's why I fully expect that before Win8's support cycle is up an upgrade path for modern interface users will become apparent. Let's call that Win11 (could be 12 of course, or Win Greek). Win10 is like WinME (in concept, let's hope not in execution). It's to give legacy SKU users a soft landing. No-one seriously considered 'upgrading' to ME from Win2K. It was for 98se users who weren't ready for 2K yet.

    I will move when MS releases the next modern OS. I doubt they will wait too long to do that, they couldn't afford to. I expect it's already pretty well developed behind a curtain somewhere in the catacombs of MS Towers.
    03-20-2015 02:28 PM
  24. astondg's Avatar
    I will move when MS releases the next modern OS. I doubt they will wait too long to do that, they couldn't afford to. I expect it's already pretty well developed behind a curtain somewhere in the catacombs of MS Towers.
    The indication from MS is that Windows 10 is a platform that will be around for quite a while and be upgraded over time through Windows Update a lot more aggressively and completely than previous versions. I.e. You get the feel that this is just 'Windows' and there might not be another distinct version for a long time.

    Might as well get in now while the upgrade is free.
    03-20-2015 04:17 PM
  25. swanlee's Avatar
    The indication from MS is that Windows 10 is a platform that will be around for quite a while and be upgraded over time through Windows Update a lot more aggressively and completely than previous versions. I.e. You get the feel that this is just 'Windows' and there might not be another distinct version for a long time.

    Might as well get in now while the upgrade is free.
    Why when it will be a huge downgrade for tablets? I'd rather use Win and switch to Win 10 when they get the touch mode worked out even if it means paying for Win 10
    03-20-2015 05:11 PM
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