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  1. GrandGerminator's Avatar
    Lol. Thank you for making me laugh. During our daily development process at my workplace, I come here to read posts like these to have a good laugh.

    Thank you once again.
    Well, I wish you to have nice laughs from the forum then ;)
    Kevin Rush likes this.
    04-21-2015 08:51 AM
  2. TechFreak1's Avatar
    With all this rant & raving, I haven't seen many people mention this.

    Notice anything familiar? :P

    Hint: You probably press this button a zillion times when you use the xbox 1 to pin to home, manage apps, access settings, quit games / applications etc.

    xbox-one-pad-21.jpg
    04-21-2015 10:43 AM
  3. Don Geronimo's Avatar
    Notice anything familiar? :P
    See, that hamburger is okay. That hamburger I'm absolutely used to, because that's just the way it's always been on my Xbox and on other game consoles.

    But how dare they force me to use something different on my phone, when I've been so accustomed to how it was before. Now I'm so inconvenienced, I don't know how I'd do anything on my phone anymore...
    04-21-2015 11:11 AM
  4. colinkiama's Avatar
    I just pray that Microsoft lets us swipe from the left edge to open the hamburger menu. I don't wanna have to start using my phone left handed to reach it with one hand
    04-21-2015 04:29 PM
  5. someone2639's Avatar
    Hamburgers or not, I'm fine.

    And what's with all the speculation? An MS employee could have just accidentally deleted the feedback.
    04-21-2015 04:35 PM
  6. Giffdev's Avatar
    While I don't know the details on this particular piece of feedback (believe it or not I don't track every single suggestion personally ^_^ ), I can definitely tell you that

    a) we don't remove feedback when we've heard a certain amount, we WANT upvotes rather than duplicates of existing issues. Sometimes things disappear through deduplication efforts and clean up

    b) The Windows Insider program is definitely not a PR stunt, and I promise you that we 100% bring subjective feedback into the discussions of feature design, bugs, and our backlogs.
    04-21-2015 05:40 PM
  7. a5cent's Avatar
    definitely not a PR stunt, and I promise you that we 100% bring subjective feedback into the discussions of feature design, bugs, and our backlogs.

    The Insider Program is certainly genuinely useful, for both MS and consumers. I'd argue that this whole debate over navigational concepts being held now, rather than surprising everyone on launch day, is already proof of that.


    Still, it's when consumer interests with a large number of votes on uservoice can't be realized, for whatever reasons, that the Insider Program is in danger of at least looking like a PR stunt.


    During the prologue of most of Terry Myerson's recent speeches, he's often given me the impression that all popular uservoice requests do/will have their impact on the feature set.


    On the other hand, the few articles on WCentral hinting at MS' position on navigation suggest that MS has long ago drawn a line in the sand.


    To me that seems like mixed/contradictory messages. That's were I locate the "PR stunt" component of the Insider Program (when coupled with uservoice).
    Last edited by a5cent; 04-22-2015 at 06:04 AM.
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    04-22-2015 05:02 AM
  8. Ebuka Allison's Avatar
    As one who has spoken on the UI quite a bit, I agree with you. It makes the whole thing seem like its not worth it. Especially after that AMA which essentially went, "Don't bother your pretty little heads, Microsoft knows best"
    . P.s for some reason the Win central shorthand thing shows PR as Google Page Ranking. Changes the meaning completely lol
    The Insider Program is certainly genuinely useful, for both MS and consumers. I'd argue that this whole debate over navigational concepts being held now, rather than surprising everyone on launch day, is already proof of that.


    Still, it's when consumer interests with a large number of votes on uservoice can't be realized, for whatever reasons, that the Insider Program is in danger of at least looking like a PR stunt.


    During the prologue of most of Terry Myerson's recent speeches, he's often given me the impression that all popular uservoice requests do/will have their impact on the feature set.


    On the other hand, the few articles on WCentral hinting at MS' position on navigation suggest that MS has long ago drawn a line in the sand.


    To me that seems like mixed/contradictory messages. That's were I locate the "PR stunt" component of the Insider Program (when coupled with uservoice).
    04-22-2015 09:14 AM
  9. byobg's Avatar
    I just used the app and I saw plenty of posts about the hamburger menus.
    Me too - but they all had single- or double-digit numbers of "me toos," when yesterday they had thousands. (And no, they didn't just reset everything - e.g., there were still thousands of "me toos" on several variations of "THAT PEOPLE APP IS AWFUL," so those are still incrementing.)
    04-22-2015 09:31 AM
  10. byobg's Avatar
    Hamburgers or not, I'm fine.

    And what's with all the speculation? An MS employee could have just accidentally deleted the feedback.
    What's with all your speculating about what an MS employee might have done or not done, and his or her motives?
    04-22-2015 09:36 AM
  11. Giffdev's Avatar
    Still, it's when consumer interests with a large number of votes on uservoice can't be realized, for whatever reasons, that the Insider Program is in danger of at least looking like a PR stunt.


    During the prologue of most of Terry Myerson's recent speeches, he's often given me the impression that all popular uservoice requests do/will have their impact on the feature set.


    On the other hand, the few articles on WCentral hinting at MS' position on navigation suggest that MS has long ago drawn a line in the sand.


    To me that seems like mixed/contradictory messages. That's were I locate the "PR stunt" component of the Insider Program (when coupled with uservoice).
    Well, there are a few things here. Often, we don't mark User Voice requests as "completed" until the item has shipped to our general audience, so sometimes it can look like a User Voice request has been around awhile and we really are working toward it.

    Even if it isn't immediately completed, we certainly, absolutely, 100% DO look at user voice requests (and the windows feedback tool!) and use it as a convincing source of data to help prioritize fixes and changes to the product. Does that mean that every request will make it? Not necessarily, but it is a great source that we look at. I spent the bulk of my afternoon with engineers yesterday prioritizing the top customer feedback issues across the teams I work with (the windows shell and apps), and we definitely got input from an array of sources including (but not limited to) the windows feedback tool and User Voice.

    I can't get more specific for you all, but I want to make it clear that when we ask people to use user voice and the windows feedback tool, it's because we absolutely care about what bubbles up to the top on each of those sources and we look at what people are requesting and reporting as issues.

    One last plug, again if you're having any issues with the builds you can always go to the Microsoft Community Forums where we have official staff and engineers to help!
    -Devin
    a5cent likes this.
    04-23-2015 01:11 PM
  12. Giffdev's Avatar
    PS if anyone is curious whether hamburger menus were discussed at all, the short answer is yes many engineers and user research and the design team has all heard the mixed feedback on this, and it's definitely something we're keenly aware of as an issue we receive lots of feedback on.
    a5cent likes this.
    04-23-2015 01:13 PM
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