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  1. Llordy's Avatar
    I love this concept it is the most plausible and realistic projection of what the OS could look like. Though I would have like to seen a version of it without the frosted transparency but more of a gradient tint (the frost clashes a bit and makes it confusing), or just a darker tint over the background. Obviously as per concept tradition the side margins are left out, but its more practical to have ide margins.
    10-02-2014 02:44 PM
  2. Llordy's Avatar
    Currently on Windows 8 and Window 10 the transparency throughout the system is a tint, rather than frosted glass. We don't want to get a lawsuit from Apple for infringing their patents on frosted glass effect. lol
    10-02-2014 02:49 PM
  3. Llordy's Avatar
    While I understand/agree with your message in the post, I do have to point out two things.

    Silverlight is only available to protect existing coding investments. Most devs don't foresee any further advancements and new efforts should be WinRT. Running existing Silverlight apps is easy enough to do on Win10 but don't expect too many additions to its APIs.

    Also yes, there is a lot of overlap of code between Windows and WP but not as much as you think. The 80% figure is for public APIs like you mentioned but they're implemented differently between the two platforms underneath. The OSes are actually still quite different while exposing similar APIs for devs' convenience. Not hugely different but not as closely converged like the public APIs are.

    With Win10, this will no longer be the case.
    One of My biggest concerns about Windows 10 was about the continuity from Windows Phone 8.1 for developers, ergo the public APIs, Microsoft really has to tread lightly when it comes to its developers (you don't want to upset them / give them more work). Under the surface, I don't really mind what Microsoft does with the operating system code itself, so long as there are less bottleneck in the operation of the OS, and performance fluctuations. Long story short as you stated, so long as Microsoft protect the investments into the code of Windows Phone 8.1 I'm happy to have Windows 10.
    I'm a bit anxious right now because of the hint towards replacing Windows Phone, and being left in limbo to wonder about what is going to happed next for existing Windows Phones.
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    10-02-2014 06:18 PM
  4. Im_Q's Avatar
    One of My biggest concerns about Windows 10 was about the continuity from Windows Phone 8.1 for developers, ergo the public APIs, Microsoft really has to tread lightly when it comes to its developers (you don't want to upset them / give them more work). Under the surface, I don't really mind what Microsoft does with the operating system code itself, so long as there are less bottleneck in the operation of the OS, and performance fluctuations. Long story short as you stated, so long as Microsoft protect the investments into the code of Windows Phone 8.1 I'm happy to have Windows 10.


    I'm a bit anxious right now because of the hint towards replacing Windows Phone, and being left in limbo to wonder about what is going to happed next for existing Windows Phones.


    Yeah agreed. My prediction is they're going to advance WinRT for devs in terms of capabilities (that's expected), enable Silverlight apps to run on Win10 on small screens (easy) but little to no additions in capabilities, maintain WinRT for phone for WP8.1 app devs and be in the same situation like Silverlight app is now, extend WinRT in Windows 10 to run the same api+implementation on phone and PCs, but still keep universal app structure for separate UI for various screen sizes.
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    10-03-2014 08:09 AM
  5. sosan's Avatar
    How about it?sc4.jpgsc5.jpgsc6.jpg
    10-03-2014 03:32 PM
  6. Llordy's Avatar
    Love the music tile!
    10-03-2014 09:36 PM
  7. thrash994's Avatar
    Now, that is interesting concept. I'm looking forward for WP10 concepts to appear on youtube.
    10-04-2014 03:32 PM
  8. Zulfigar's Avatar
    How about it?

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    Damn that's awesome...
    10-04-2014 03:52 PM
  9. Llordy's Avatar
    If we learn or find interesting stuff about Windows 10 for Phone, we could post it hear. I really like the content people are posting.
    10-06-2014 02:05 PM
  10. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    im shivering with excitement regarding what windows 10 for phones will bring to the table
    10-06-2014 02:21 PM
  11. kikoeightone's Avatar
    Just read this from The Gadget Show on what Windows 10 could mean for Windows phones: http://gadgetshow.channel5.com/news/...ns-smartphones Might be of interest.
    10-06-2014 03:49 PM
  12. Llordy's Avatar
    Just read this from The Gadget Show on what Windows 10 could mean for Windows phones: What Windows 10 means for smartphones | The Gadget Show Might be of interest.
    Thanks for the link, but sorry to have to say this but the entire editorial was misunderstood and will mislead persons who are not as tech savvy as some of us here may be. Microsoft is not "dumping" ARM anytime soon, because it has much better power savings than X86 and X68 processors. What Microsoft is doing is merging the ARM (Metro) compatible side of Windows, meaning that the same apps that run on Windows Phone and WindowsRT will be able to run across all platforms, Desktop legacy applications are in a much more complicated and delicate position. Not all desktop applications are updated by developers today, so it would be near impossible to update the 4 million (not sure) legacy applications to conform to the Modern application model and design standards to be even usable on a small screen.

    So in other words the future of Microsoft is a flow from Windows Phone to WindowsRT to full Windows, but Desktop, is not coming down; Joe Belfiore said that phones would not have a desktop interface, which begs the question now given that article, how will desktop apps run on phone without a desktop. Modern apps are what are going to be universal moving forward, enterprise will be able to update their application on one platform and be able to work on a plethora of devices; in essence, there is one store, one app on all devices, and one name, but there will always be a separation to a degree in the form or function depending on the architecture.
    10-08-2014 07:00 AM
  13. theefman's Avatar
    Thanks for the link, but sorry to have to say this but the entire editorial was misunderstood and will mislead persons who are not as tech savvy as some of us here may be. Microsoft is not "dumping" ARM anytime soon, because it has much better power savings than X86 and X68 processors. What Microsoft is doing is merging the ARM (Metro) compatible side of Windows, meaning that the same apps that run on Windows Phone and WindowsRT will be able to run across all platforms, Desktop legacy applications are in a much more complicated and delicate position. Not all desktop applications are updated by developers today, so it would be near impossible to update the 4 million (not sure) legacy applications to conform to the Modern application model and design standards to be even usable on a small screen.

    So in other words the future of Microsoft is a flow from Windows Phone to WindowsRT to full Windows, but Desktop, is not coming down; Joe Belfiore said that phones would not have a desktop interface, which begs the question now given that article, how will desktop apps run on phone without a desktop. Modern apps are what are going to be universal moving forward, enterprise will be able to update their application on one platform and be able to work on a plethora of devices; in essence, there is one store, one app on all devices, and one name, but there will always be a separation to a degree in the form or function depending on the architecture.


    This man gets it.
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    10-08-2014 07:08 AM
  14. M7MED ELChamouTi's Avatar
    WoW this concepts is awesome
    10-08-2014 12:47 PM
  15. Abdelrahman Adly's Avatar
    awesome concepts !!!

    i hope W10 for mobiles will be like this :)

    great job :)
    Last edited by Abdelrahman Adly; 10-08-2014 at 04:10 PM. Reason: spell mistake
    10-08-2014 04:08 PM
  16. MysticForce's Avatar
    awesome concepts !!!

    i hope W10 for mobiles will be like this :)

    great job :)
    Agree.
    But I am sure that WP10 will be very similar with design as WP8. I found so many great concepts on the internet but I'm thinking that Microsoft doesn't care much about concept.
    10-09-2014 06:39 AM
  17. Llordy's Avatar
    Given the very versatility of Windows 10 across form factors, I assume that keyboards will finally be supported on a smartphone. For Android fans, USB host compatibility may also be brought to phone since most Windows 8.1 apps usually require keyboard and mouse support to some degree; so in order for an app to run on all devices it would have to include that functionality. I may be wrong, but it would make sense to bring that functionality rather than make Windows RT less capable.
    Last edited by Llordy; 10-11-2014 at 01:36 PM.
    10-09-2014 09:36 AM
  18. kikoeightone's Avatar
    Thanks for the link, but sorry to have to say this but the entire editorial was misunderstood and will mislead persons who are not as tech savvy as some of us here may be. Microsoft is not "dumping" ARM anytime soon, because it has much better power savings than X86 and X68 processors. What Microsoft is doing is merging the ARM (Metro) compatible side of Windows, meaning that the same apps that run on Windows Phone and WindowsRT will be able to run across all platforms, Desktop legacy applications are in a much more complicated and delicate position. Not all desktop applications are updated by developers today, so it would be near impossible to update the 4 million (not sure) legacy applications to conform to the Modern application model and design standards to be even usable on a small screen.

    So in other words the future of Microsoft is a flow from Windows Phone to WindowsRT to full Windows, but Desktop, is not coming down; Joe Belfiore said that phones would not have a desktop interface, which begs the question now given that article, how will desktop apps run on phone without a desktop. Modern apps are what are going to be universal moving forward, enterprise will be able to update their application on one platform and be able to work on a plethora of devices; in essence, there is one store, one app on all devices, and one name, but there will always be a separation to a degree in the form or function depending on the architecture.
    Thanks for that analysis. I was a little surprised when I read the article, given its from a popular TV show which specialises in gadgets and tech. Anyone reading that who had been thinking of buying one of the new handsets would, I think, definitely think twice.
    10-11-2014 02:22 AM
  19. ronaldme's Avatar
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    I don't like the blurring (glass) space. Why not let the background cleanand clear?

    EDIT: IMO, for phones, it is better a 3 columns tiles, can you make a new mockup with 3 columns, no glass effect and the background solid (the space between tiles)?

    Thanks.
    10-11-2014 02:23 PM
  20. SSgt Bruskowiz's Avatar
    I don't like the blurring (glass) space. Why not let the background cleanand clear?

    EDIT: IMO, for phones, it is better a 3 columns tiles, can you make a new mockup with 3 columns, no glass effect and the background solid (the space between tiles)?

    Thanks.
    It's still a concept.
    I personally don't think that the blurry tiles are going to be on the phone o.s anytime soon, its to hungry for resources.
    If MS continues to serve te lower and mid range phone market then they are running in to the same issue as with the wp7 phones. There are to many phones who cant support that so they are going to loose a lot of users and with that also developers.
    They simply can't afford that.
    Story is going to be a lot different when they are going to be serious about designing phablets or small tablets with phone capabilities.
    Nokia did try to play with some big screens like the 1520 and the 1320, but size alone doesn't make a phablet, these phones are just bigger phones with nothing special. So if they want to go to the let's say the aero style they need to design heavier phones then they are doing right now.
    Not only in hardware but also in battery life.
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    10-11-2014 07:57 PM
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    10-12-2014 09:45 AM
  22. Xabier Granja's Avatar
    If MS continues to serve te lower and mid range phone market then they are running in to the same issue as with the wp7 phones.
    No, they are not. You, like most, are misunderstanding the root of the WP7>WP8 lack of upgrade path. There was a Kernel change, from Windows CE to Windows NT. That's a massive shift. We don't know how the CPUs of WP7 devices would have handled WP8 but MS's research clearly showed that the same CPU on the NT code always, verifiably and repeatedly, behaved faster and more securely. The problem was that in order to do such a huge change in WP7 devices, they would have to flash all of them. That's no simple task for the general consumer and it was deemed way too expensive to support considering the low number of us WP users at that time. That's why the upgrade path was cut. Since WP8 we've been on the same NT kernel as big Windows, so there is literally 0 reason why we won't be able to upgrade (unless some CPUs are way too slow, but I doubt it).

    Now, about the UI shift in W10 for phone... I don't know, I see them evolving both Metro sides to an in-between W and WP8.1. That implies backgrounds and transparent tile options, even both combined. I was doing a quick mockup of my start screen and I came up with this:
    wp.jpg
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    10-19-2014 12:10 AM
  23. Rishicash's Avatar
    Will W10 likely have any affect on the "app gap"?
    10-19-2014 04:03 PM
  24. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    Will W10 likely have any affect on the "app gap"?
    thats a massive overhype,windows phone doesnt have an app gap
    Jason Hendry likes this.
    10-20-2014 10:33 PM
  25. Llordy's Avatar
    Will W10 likely have any affect on the "app gap"?
    when it comes to support for the platform, we can assume that it will greatly improve, since Windows computers, laptops and 2-in-ones have a much greater market share for Microsoft. With the potential widespread use of Windows 10 on PCs, one could possibly expect big name software providers to follow after the mass of users who will bee using Windows apps [e.g. Google final come begrudgedly to the table] and as a result Windows phones will see increased app support as a consequence.
    10-21-2014 08:06 PM
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