1. Donny James's Avatar
    FYI
    Windows 10 to run on all Windows Phones

    I'm sure we'll still get questions about this in the future.
    11-04-2014 10:51 AM
  2. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Without fail...
    11-04-2014 10:57 AM
  3. Ruined's Avatar
    But will Verizon push the update to the now retired Icon?
    11-05-2014 01:00 PM
  4. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    But will Verizon push the update to the now retired Icon?
    MS has no control of what carriers do. That's one of the bigger issues.
    11-05-2014 02:08 PM
  5. colinkiama's Avatar
    MS has no control of what carriers do. That's one of the bigger issues.
    Remember we have the dev preview
    11-05-2014 02:19 PM
  6. theefman's Avatar
    FYI

    Windows 10 to run on all Windows Phones

    I'm sure we'll still get questions about this in the future.

    Is that an official statement? Or just another cluck bait article?
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    11-05-2014 02:20 PM
  7. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Remember we have the dev preview
    Yeah but without the firmware update is it really an update?
    11-05-2014 02:21 PM
  8. spaulagain's Avatar
    Duh, if W10 can run on IoT devices, then yes it can run in 512 WP devices. Will just be a matter of ********* carriers.
    11-05-2014 02:26 PM
  9. TheJoester09's Avatar
    Yeah but without the firmware update is it really an update?
    I'm enjoying 8.1, even without Cyan.
    Dave47 likes this.
    11-05-2014 05:08 PM
  10. dumgeek's Avatar
    MS has no control of what carriers do. That's one of the bigger issues.
    Apple are winners because they are not under the carriers thumb
    11-05-2014 05:24 PM
  11. a5cent's Avatar
    While it wouldn't surprise me in the least if this is true, this is not official confirmation from MS! Take it with a large serving of salt. And as always, even if this is true, don't forget that carriers have the final say over who gets what.
    N_LaRUE and Muessig like this.
    11-05-2014 05:47 PM
  12. spaulagain's Avatar
    Yeah but without the firmware update is it really an update?
    Of course it is. 98% of the functional changes are in the OS, not the firmware.
    11-05-2014 06:43 PM
  13. ShinraCorp's Avatar
    Of course it is. 98% of the functional changes are in the OS, not the firmware.
    They'll probably use the generic firmware to make it work on Windows 10 Dev Preview... I'm sure it's going to be in the backlog of hell for every carriers the Windows 10 update...
    11-05-2014 06:48 PM
  14. a5cent's Avatar
    Of course it is. 98% of the functional changes are in the OS, not the firmware.

    I don't think it's that clear cut. I think this must be judged on a case-by-case basis, for every DP update, and for every WP device model.
    If you installed the WP8.1 DP on an ATIV S your camera stopped working. Many with 920's had huge (IMHO unacceptable) battery issues which only the Cyan firmware resolved. Thousands reported flaky behaviour after getting the DP, which a hard reset often fixed, but which many were reluctant to do. Many felt they had no choice but to flash WP8.0 to return to a stable/dependable state. And how many hundreds of times did we see people exclaim: "stfu, it's a beta!" (despite that not ever having been MS' intention)?
    Those aren't the signs of a legitimate update for general use. Just getting the OS update doesn't count. It must also work properly, i.e. without any serious flaws! The WP8.1 DP was a disaster in that regard.
    On the other hand, many DP updates prior to WP8.1 and some afterwards have been flawless.
    This begs the question what WP10 DP will be like. If it again causes hardware malfunctions or halves peoples battery life, then no, it's not an update for the general public and should probably be avoided, even if it is the only way to get WP10.
    N_LaRUE likes this.
    11-06-2014 03:43 AM
  15. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    I don't think it's that clear cut. I think this must be judged on a case-by-case basis, for every DP update, and for every WP device model.
    If you installed the WP8.1 DP on an ATIV S your camera stopped working. Many with 920's had huge (IMHO unacceptable) battery issues which only the Cyan firmware resolved. Thousands reported flaky behaviour after getting the DP, which a hard reset often fixed, but which many were reluctant to do. Many felt they had no choice but to flash WP8.0 to return to a stable/dependable state. And how many hundreds of times did we see people exclaim: "stfu, it's a beta!" (despite that not ever having been MS' intention)?
    Those aren't the signs of a legitimate update for general use. Just getting the OS update doesn't count. It must also work properly, i.e. without any serious flaws! The WP8.1 DP was a disaster in that regard.
    On the other hand, many DP updates prior to WP8.1 and some afterwards have been flawless.
    This begs the question what WP10 DP will be like. If it again causes hardware malfunctions or halves peoples battery life, then no, it's not an update for the general public and should probably be avoided, even if it is the only way to get WP10.
    Thanks for that. I was going to say something along those lines but you saved me from having to do so.

    People seem to forget the issues that WP8.1 has had. You didn't mention the bitlocker situation that meant you either had to wait until it was resolved or use the Nokia Recovery Software Tool.

    Also, to clarify, when I asked is it really an update, it wasn't to do with features, I was referring mostly to the issues around DPs and how fickle they can be. It's probably likely that my phone won't get W10 based on my carrier's seeming reluctance for pushing updates out and since it's a two year old phone to boot. However I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, that's of course if I still have my phone at that time...
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    11-06-2014 03:58 AM
  16. ile2010's Avatar
    I'm enjoying 8.1, even without Cyan.
    I did too, back when I had a 1020 and was dying to use Cortana + get the Action Centre. It sure felt like an update to me.
    11-06-2014 09:58 AM
  17. ile2010's Avatar
    Thanks for that. I was going to say something along those lines but you saved me from having to do so.

    People seem to forget the issues that WP8.1 has had. You didn't mention the bitlocker situation that meant you either had to wait until it was resolved or use the Nokia Recovery Software Tool.

    Also, to clarify, when I asked is it really an update, it wasn't to do with features, I was referring mostly to the issues around DPs and how fickle they can be. It's probably likely that my phone won't get W10 based on my carrier's seeming reluctance for pushing updates out and since it's a two year old phone to boot. However I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, that's of course if I still have my phone at that time...
    I'm not disputing issues that people had with the 8.1 DP, but I hadn't encountered any issues on my 920, 928, 1020, or Icon running DP. In the case of the 928, it solved some camera issues I was having.
    11-06-2014 10:07 AM
  18. awilliams1701's Avatar
    The Nokia 810 isn't going to get it at least not officially. There is no way to know how bad it will be to do it via DP. I don't think the Icon will get it either and probably none of the current phones on Verizon except maybe the M8.
    11-06-2014 10:28 AM
  19. spaulagain's Avatar
    I don't think it's that clear cut. I think this must be judged on a case-by-case basis, for every DP update, and for every WP device model.
    If you installed the WP8.1 DP on an ATIV S your camera stopped working. Many with 920's had huge (IMHO unacceptable) battery issues which only the Cyan firmware resolved. Thousands reported flaky behaviour after getting the DP, which a hard reset often fixed, but which many were reluctant to do. Many felt they had no choice but to flash WP8.0 to return to a stable/dependable state. And how many hundreds of times did we see people exclaim: "stfu, it's a beta!" (despite that not ever having been MS' intention)?
    Those aren't the signs of a legitimate update for general use. Just getting the OS update doesn't count. It must also work properly, i.e. without any serious flaws! The WP8.1 DP was a disaster in that regard.
    On the other hand, many DP updates prior to WP8.1 and some afterwards have been flawless.
    This begs the question what WP10 DP will be like. If it again causes hardware malfunctions or halves peoples battery life, then no, it's not an update for the general public and should probably be avoided, even if it is the only way to get WP10.
    I said 98% of the functional changes are in the OS. That's doesn't mean there aren't important back end updates/improvements. But to the end user, the OS is where they see the biggest impact.

    If you look at the post I quoted, I think that's a pretty fair statement.
    11-06-2014 10:42 PM
  20. a5cent's Avatar
    I said 98% of the functional changes are in the OS. That's doesn't mean there aren't important back end updates/improvements. But to the end user, the OS is where they see the biggest impact.

    If you look at the post I quoted, I think that's a pretty fair statement.

    I agree with all of that, and while it literally answers LaRue's question, it doesn't actually address his point. That is all. I think you might just have gone a bit too crazy speed reading or something like that 😉
    11-07-2014 05:43 AM
  21. Donny James's Avatar
    Is that an official statement? Or just another cluck bait article?
    You decide.
    11-17-2014 11:13 AM
  22. Bobvfr's Avatar
    Do be careful about saying all W8 phones.

    It was announced last week that all Lumia's would get 10, I am pretty sure that all the other phones will be able to run it but it isn't the same statement and if this is just sloppy journalism....

    Best stick with the facts although I would be surprised if a 520 gets it and a top end HTC doesn't.
    a5cent likes this.
    11-17-2014 11:29 AM
  23. Donny James's Avatar
    Do be careful about saying all W8 phones.

    It was announced last week that all Lumia's would get 10, I am pretty sure that all the other phones will be able to run it but it isn't the same statement and if this is just sloppy journalism....

    Best stick with the facts although I would be surprised if a 520 gets it and a top end HTC doesn't.
    Since Microsoft builds for the low end devices, which is also where they make the most money, I would be surprised if the no low end WP8 devices gets Windows 10. Again you'll have to wait on the Mobile Carriers to push out update etc etc, if you shun Dev preview.
    11-18-2014 11:41 AM
  24. Blade800's Avatar
    I am glad that hopefully my Lumia925 will run W10 but I am a little worried when I imagine the new meta battery drain coming with it lol.

    I can barely have 1 or 1 and a half day now, so what will it be with W10?
    11-23-2014 03:32 AM

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