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  1. Tejasvi Bhat's Avatar
    I loved the event yesterday and cant wait to get the windows 10 on my pc and phone. Now I am not sure if this has been covered but coming from India, I just want to know if everything they announced yesterday including the February launch for phone preview is a global thing or if it will take that much longer for everything to come to India.

    While I am huge fan of windows phone currently using my Lumia 925, the irritating thing with windows for me has always been how I am never sure of getting any of the new features in time. I was lucky that I got my phone when I was in the UK, subscribed to the developers preview and hence got the Denim roll out very early and hence have been using Cortana and other features for a while. It is still not as good as how Cortana is in the US but I already cannot do without the remind me feature and few other features of Cortana. But it does pain me to see how limited my Cortana is compared to how people use it in the US. I have friends and family with Lumias that still dont have Denim or Cortana.

    So can someone please clarify what the situation would be for me in India? Will I be able to try out the preview when it comes in February? And will that technical preview for phones be recommended for not an 'expert'?
    01-21-2015 11:44 PM
  2. hanush14's Avatar
    I loved the event yesterday and cant wait to get the windows 10 on my pc and phone. Now I am not sure if this has been covered but coming from India, I just want to know if everything they announced yesterday including the February launch for phone preview is a global thing or if it will take that much longer for everything to come to India.

    While I am huge fan of windows phone currently using my Lumia 925, the irritating thing with windows for me has always been how I am never sure of getting any of the new features in time. I was lucky that I got my phone when I was in the UK, subscribed to the developers preview and hence got the Denim roll out very early and hence have been using Cortana and other features for a while. It is still not as good as how Cortana is in the US but I already cannot do without the remind me feature and few other features of Cortana. But it does pain me to see how limited my Cortana is compared to how people use it in the US. I have friends and family with Lumias that still dont have Denim or Cortana.

    So can someone please clarify what the situation would be for me in India? Will I be able to try out the preview when it comes in February? And will that technical preview for phones be recommended for not an 'expert'?
    The Windows 10 preview would most likely be available through PFD/Windows Insider app. So yeah, it should be available everywhere at same time, without any carrier restrictions either (for US-based people).

    IMHO, You can try the preview but it is advised to make a backup before trying such maneuver.
    01-21-2015 11:55 PM
  3. Luisraul924's Avatar
    There needs to be some cutting edge hardware announced by April or windows for phones will be a distant memory. I was expecting something closer to windows rt on a phone, which would blow Android and ios our of the water. Instead we get a safe tweak to an existing operating system that can run on two year old bottom end phones. Drop the Nokia/Lumia low end strategy and come out with the surface phone already.
    Sorry to break it to you bud but they ain't here to please you, they're here to try and make money by establishing a presence. It's a known fact that the only way for them to break large into the smartphone market share is to aim for the low end. That's not saying they shouldn't make flagships at all, they definitely need one and they've announced they'll be releasing one summer 2015 so cool down! :)
    01-22-2015 12:04 AM
  4. hanush14's Avatar
    I loved the event yesterday and cant wait to get the windows 10 on my pc and phone. Now I am not sure if this has been covered but coming from India, I just want to know if everything they announced yesterday including the February launch for phone preview is a global thing or if it will take that much longer for everything to come to India.
    ?
    On another note, I have Lumia 520 in India, and have Cortana since launch through PFD, and recently after complete reinstall got Denim update too without PFD. So most other Lumias should get the update too in no time.
    For Cortana, you may have to change the phone language/region to English(UK or USA), if your relatives haven't already.
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    01-22-2015 12:08 AM
  5. Zeeshan Kazi's Avatar
    I wish as the start menu is transparent, the action centre for both desktop and phones would also be transparent.......
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    01-22-2015 12:16 AM
  6. alex athanasopoulos's Avatar
    For an early built I think it looks great. New UI more cohesive to w8.1/10, the new universal apps seems better (office, skype, photo etc). Improved wordflow, changes in our lovely Cortana. I must say that I am surprised for all these changes. It's definitely a huge change. Now we can wait for the preview and ask for changes.

    Ps the new settings look promising
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    01-22-2015 12:23 AM
  7. Luisraul924's Avatar
    From what they showed today, It seems the strategy for phones is to make Windows 10 a total success in PCs, and expect some people to say, "hey, I love Windows 10, I would like this same experience in my phone". From what they showed today, there isn't a new feature in phone itself that could alter the market position of the product.
    This is exactly what they're doing. They've effectively put Windows Phone on the back burner for now. They've acknowledged that consumers don't really care much for change in the smartphone market which is why Windows Phone failed. When enough people get tired of Android/iOS and they've used Windows 10 on their PCs that's when the thought may pop up in their heads: "my PC kicks *** I'd like my phone to be like it." (or something to that effect). That's when Windows Phone's time will come as it'll be waiting patiently in the background of the smartphone market quietly humming along with the financial support of its low end devices. Well it makes sense looking at it objectively from a business point of view. Look at it from the point of view of a Microsoft fan boy and they'd say I'm just a "hater" or "pessimist" lol.
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    01-22-2015 12:34 AM
  8. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    I was disappointed to hear that Lumia camera is going to the other OEMs. Mainly because it should be exclusive and I consider the others irrelevant.

    After today, I am actually okay with it. I still think it is stupid but less so as Lumia still has exclusive features to the app it appears so I'm okay with that :P

    They are trying to make those other phones appear more relevant I guess lmao. Other than that I am quite happy with windows 10 preview
    01-22-2015 01:06 AM
  9. CGA111's Avatar
    With all this talk about cross platform and devices interaction I certainly hope I will be able to access my network shares from my phone. It's such a basic feature and it baffles me that they haven't implemented this yet.
    01-22-2015 01:12 AM
  10. felixl87's Avatar
    I was disappointed to hear that Lumia camera is going to the other OEMs. Mainly because it should be exclusive and I consider the others irrelevant.

    After today, I am actually okay with it. I still think it is stupid but less so as Lumia still has exclusive features to the app it appears so I'm okay with that :P

    They are trying to make those other phones appear more relevant I guess lmao. Other than that I am quite happy with windows 10 preview
    I completely disagree with this Lumia exclusivity thing, Lumia camera is far superior than the native camera app so having it as a Lumia only app would make people think that good things only come to lumias which gives a bad impression to OEMs, it's just like Google saying that the next Android will be for nexus phones only,of course no one would want to buy other manufacturer's phones with outdated software and that's the thing that Microsoft never cared about with Lumia denim which came out in just the time HTC had launched the m8 for windows, Lumia exclusivity isn't good for Microsoft, windows phone or OEMs and that's what i think is the reason Lumia camera will be exported to other phones and it carrying the same Lumia camera name makes me wonder if other OEMs will support such a title.
    Last edited by felixl87; 01-22-2015 at 02:25 AM.
    01-22-2015 01:31 AM
  11. Luisraul924's Avatar
    it carrying the same Lumia camera name makes wonder if other OEMs would support such a title.
    It's highly likely that it won't be called Lumia camera anymore. Picture the default "camera" tile/icon but when you start the app it's the "Lumia" camera app that starts up.
    01-22-2015 01:43 AM
  12. Naren Parker's Avatar
    It was a real good presentation. They have showcased where they are heading. And I personally feel this is the right direction. Everyone is aware of the positives of this so I'll just comment on what else could have been shown -

    1. Interactive Live Tiles/Mix View - I pray and hope that this will make it to the final build.
    2. Better media capabilities and a little bit more peak into the new Music and Video players.
    3. The future of the People Hub - whether this social extensible framework actually works and also other hubs.
    4. Looks like the Pictures Hub is being replaced for good by the Pictures app. Whether its good or not, only time will tell but one thing that cannot be denied is that the old Pictures hub with its beautiful panoramic views was just fantastic.
    5. Probability of using Hologram APIs in Phones/Tablets - This would bury Google Glass for good.
    6. UI consistency across apps - either have an Hamburger or an app drawer. I would prefer the latter. The App drawer is something that we have grown accustomed to since WP7 and it really doesnt need a change. Other platforms dont have it either AFAIK so it still retains its novelty.

    All in all, I'd be lying if I said that I didn't enjoy this presentation. It was worth every min and MB spent :) I understand that it would be impossible to cram every possible feature update in this talk. They should do a separate event for WP either during MWC or Build to really highlight some of the cool stuff. I also expect that a lot of these features make it to the final builds and we have a uniform update process which is not fragmented at least for the CV phones.

    If any of the MS employees are here, my best wishes to you and hope that you will continue to innovate and make us all proud.
    01-22-2015 01:43 AM
  13. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    Oh I am aware it is far superior than the native and even HTC/Samsung apps. But there is a vast difference in making a camera app exclusive to Lumia and restricting an entire OS to Lumia....though I certainly wouldn't mind(I'd prefer that tbh).

    People keep saying lumia exclusivity isn't good for MS or windows phone but how exactly is it bad? Hasn't that same exclusivity actually increased marketshare and stabilized it and then it dropped because said products were either end of line or simply unavailable every(Icon is US only and the 930 took forever to get places). I fail to see how it is bad for the OS or Microsoft(especially since they do need to still make money).

    Its not even bad for the other OEMs...it should encourage them to be better than the crap they call effort and make something competitive and give a defining reason to buy their products without needing any type of leg up from Microsoft.

    In regards to its name, call me elitist, but i'd rather it just say camera. I'd hate the idea of lumia branding on them.
    I completely disagree with this Lumia exclusivity thing, Lumia camera is far superior than the native camera app so having it has a Lumia only app would make people think that good things only come to lumias which gives a bad impression to OEMs, it's just like Google saying that the next Android will be for nexus phones only,of course no one would want to buy other manufacturer's phones with outdated software and that's the thing that Microsoft never cared about with Lumia denim which came out in just the time HTC had launched the m8 for windows, Lumia exclusivity isn't good for Microsoft, windows phone or OEMs and that's why I think the Lumia camera will be exported to other phones and it carrying the same Lumia camera name makes wonder if other OEMs would support such a title.
    01-22-2015 01:49 AM
  14. Abhinaba Maitra's Avatar
    there is more to come from microsoft on windows phones i guess .. this was a just a trailer :)
    01-22-2015 03:20 AM
  15. jeetu4444's Avatar
    Yes they gonna unveil more on windows 10 in.march at MWC....Hope windows 10 has good multitasking like symbian where apps are actually live in background and.not.frozen....
    01-22-2015 03:56 AM
  16. Naren Parker's Avatar
    Yes they gonna unveil more on windows 10 in.march at MWC....Hope windows 10 has good multitasking like symbian where apps are actually live in background and.not.frozen....
    This! We need true multitasking. But I don't remember seeing the resuming screens anywhere in the demo at least. Probably sign of good things to come.
    01-22-2015 04:00 AM
  17. faisalbaba's Avatar
    How I get update through phone insider or pfd and Microsoft didn't provide any information about phone insider
    01-22-2015 04:14 AM
  18. taymur's Avatar
    Think you guys have seen a sneak pic of what windows 10 is going to be like on small screens, its still windows phone anyway with full-scale background wallpapers, I haven't noticed any big changes,the notification center looks almost the same, the app menu is still the same to and only the settings menu showed a little difference but still black with white text as well, the lock screen still looks like the old one to.
    .......................................................Actually I haven't noticed any ui changes, things still look the same, now looking back at other OS unveiling,i think every version of android, iOS or blackberry has looked unrecognisably different front the others though iOS doesn't look much different from older versions to.
    I haven't seen any ground shaking features like those Google unveiled in android 5, so far i haven't seen much of anything different but let me hope Microsoft works more on what it has just showed us, I was expecting something like Android 5,iOS8 or BB10 make over unfortunately the only new things I saw were the background images,tweaked settings menu and the new keyboard thing and that's all.

    Let me know what you guys think of the new windows 10 mobile in comments below
    Man, i got really irritated reading your post.... seriously if you don't see improvements after all what was presented, then i think you should go to the platform that adds rows of icons by each OS update, or the one that keeps adding home screens.
    01-22-2015 04:25 AM
  19. taymur's Avatar
    Yes they gonna unveil more on windows 10 in.march at MWC....Hope windows 10 has good multitasking like symbian where apps are actually live in background and.not.frozen....
    i have a feeling that multiple users would be avilable. for the reason of having both a work phone and a personal phone, each with a different Start Screen.

    although this might have been a very important feature that if available they would have talked about.... we will see.
    01-22-2015 04:27 AM
  20. Vaclav Dajbych's Avatar
    We need true multitasking.
    Apps can live in the background in Background Tasks. Tens of simultaneously running apps would drain your battery.
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    01-22-2015 04:36 AM
  21. Naren Parker's Avatar
    I agree. What I meant was a more effective way to resume from memory instead of long resume times only to find out that some of the apps dont 'remember' their pre-resume state.
    01-22-2015 04:48 AM
  22. a5cent's Avatar
    Apps can live in the background in Background Tasks. Tens of simultaneously running apps would drain your battery.
    Yup. "True" or "unrestricted" multitasking is something we don't need!

    Rather than call out a technical feature, I think people would do better describing the problem they want solved. "Unrestricted multitasking" is an assumed solution to a problem proponents never specify.

    90% of the time what people really mean is that they are tired of the resuming screen. Ironically, "true" or "unrestricted" multitasking does absolutely nothing to solve that problem.

    I agree. What I meant was a more effective way to resume from memory instead of long resume times only to find out that some of the apps dont 'remember' their pre-resume state.
    Yup. This is what I meant. Much better. These are actually two separate problems, neither of which have anything to do with "true" multitasking. Both are tied to RAM capacity, the computational overhead associated with launching XAML and managed apps, and devs not doing their job by failing to restore pre-resume state.
    Last edited by a5cent; 01-22-2015 at 05:33 AM. Reason: spelling
    01-22-2015 04:51 AM
  23. white_Shadoww's Avatar
    I hate the new UI. I loved the pivots and panoramic apps, and that's the reason I got into Windows Phone. If I wanted hamburgers anywhere, I'd just get an Android, which is I will do I think. I think Lollipop looks better than this. But I loved 8.1 UI, even more 8.0, remember that Photos hub. Windows 10 seems only a cheap wannabe Android.
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    01-22-2015 05:08 AM
  24. psiu_glen's Avatar
    I hate the new UI. I loved the pivots and panoramic apps, and that's the reason I got into Windows Phone. If I wanted hamburgers anywhere, I'd just get an Android, which is I will do I think. I think Lollipop looks better than this. But I loved 8.1 UI, even more 8.0, remember that Photos hub. Windows 10 seems only a cheap wannabe Android.
    Everything looks like a direct port (desktop/tablet/phone) the whole point is we use them differently.

    [putting a menu up top on my desktop doesn't make difference -- upper left on a phone though...]

    WP has been great for the most part because it has been so intuitive and "stayed out of the way". Now they have people doing things for superficial UI look reasons and to check off feature list boxes.

    :/
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    01-22-2015 05:21 AM
  25. blackdaemon's Avatar
    Apps can live in the background in Background Tasks. Tens of simultaneously running apps would drain your battery.
    Yes, plus the system would lost its responsiveness and fluidity. Current design of WP multitasking is optimal.
    01-22-2015 05:25 AM
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