01-26-2015 01:10 AM
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  1. Kram Sacul's Avatar
    @Kram, Yes, let's keep the settings menu that is in some random order and completely unorganized --- yes, that was sacasm. The WP Settings list was never great... you're just used to it. I just picked up a 1020 after being out of the WP ecosystem for nearly 2 years, and I was quickly reminded that that's one of the most irritating things about WP. I'm glad to see the new change.
    You didn't read my post then. I said they should categorize it with the UI that's already there, not this bland Android-like garbage. It's also not that hard to figure out the settings list after a day or two.
    01-24-2015 11:18 PM
  2. todd7900's Avatar
    I hope the suggestions made here were submitted on MS's preview site, otherwise it is just pointless whining. It amazes me the amount of whining that goes on around here.
    01-24-2015 11:31 PM
  3. Jazmac's Avatar
    My only issue with where it is are my video drivers but polish isn't supposed to be here until later builds. This is nothing more than a rant IMHO. This "still messy and inconsistent" thing is waaaaay too early. Its like you walk into a new house construction while the sheet rock is going in and you got beef with no grass on the lawn. I don't even believe that uservoice is a place for this but let them know what they shouldn't sleep on. But now is about giving you a taste of its functionality, ease of use etc. Lawn care comes later.

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    01-24-2015 11:34 PM
  4. Michael Alan Goff's Avatar
    You didn't read my post then. I said they should categorize it with the UI that's already there, not this bland Android-like garbage. It's also not that hard to figure out the settings list after a day or two.
    ​It's a settings menu, it isn't supposed to be exciting. Who cares if it's bland?
    01-24-2015 11:37 PM
  5. Yazen's Avatar
    ^ I think we're still going through a bit of a culture shock. None of us are used to getting MS software that is this raw. It takes a while to realize that previous experiences with beta software don't apply here. It's also worrying to see how MS is seemingly nowhere close to having a releasable product, but it's also easy to forget that they literally have thousands of people working on W10 right now.
    *Thousands + the OP
    Valid criticism through the development process is a good thing.
    01-25-2015 12:03 AM
  6. Jazmac's Avatar
    *Thousands + the OP
    Valid criticism through the development process is a good thing.
    Keyword: Valid. Anything else is a rant.
    01-25-2015 12:08 AM
  7. Yazen's Avatar
    Keyword: Valid. Anything else is a rant.
    OP spent two hours creating a mockup with a tangible critique

    I consider this a valid form of criticism because he not only stated his concerns but added his suggestions.

    Obviously this design is subject to change, however, why would Microsoft share something entirely redundant with the public?

    Why even have an 'insider' program if no criticism is to be expected?
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    01-25-2015 12:20 AM
  8. Jazmac's Avatar
    OP spent two hours creating a mockup with a tangible critique

    I consider this a valid form of criticism because he not only stated his concerns but added his suggestions.

    Obviously this design is subject to change, however, why would Microsoft share something entirely redundant with the public?

    Why even have an 'insider' program if no criticism is to be expected?
    I appreciate the time he spent doing a mock up but the fact remains, its a mock up of a supposed finished product. Windows X is not finished. What we have is a Technical Preview and his criticism is mad premature.
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    01-25-2015 01:05 AM
  9. a5cent's Avatar
    I think all criticism that follows the structure:

    "I don't like this because... and it would better if..."

    is perfectly fine and a good thing! It's not whining. Paul is being constructive in his criticism. That's infinitely better than many other posts which really are only rants.

    I think those complaining about whining should consider their responses are also just adding to the sum of whining in the forums. Anyone crying: "This sucks! How stupid is M$? Give me what I want or I'm moving to Android" deserves a bit of scorn... agreed. This is something else entirely.

    I think we should be applauding anybody with this kind of enthusiasm. Nothing bad can come of people like Paul adding to the pool of ideas... whether this is alpha, beta or final software shouldn't matter. Constructive criticism has never hurt, at any stage of the development process.
    Last edited by a5cent; 01-25-2015 at 04:04 AM.
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    01-25-2015 03:53 AM
  10. techiez's Avatar
    I think all criticism that follows the structure:

    "I don't like this because... and it would better if..."

    is perfectly fine and a good thing! It's not whining. Paul is being constructive in his criticism. That's infinitely better than many other posts which really are only rants.

    I think those complaining about whining should consider their responses are also just adding to the sum of whining in the forums. Anyone crying: "This sucks! How stupid is M$? Give me what I want or I'm moving to Android" deserves a bit of scorn... agreed. This is something else entirely.

    I think we should be applauding anybody with this kind of enthusiasm. Nothing bad can come of people like Paul adding to the pool of ideas... whether this is alpha, beta or final software shouldn't matter. Constructive criticism has never hurt, at any stage of the development process.
    Though I agree, it was not a rant but its too early to criticize UI, when its very clear that its unfinished, I see posts about transparent/translucent tiles which makes sense, but does anybody think that bad indentation or cortana not matching rest of the color scheme will ever make it to the final build, there are a lot of enthusiastic fans out here, they should spend their time if they have on helping MS make features better or bugs squashed, though insider program is to give some feedback but too much of irrelevant feedback is not gng to help MS as they have to do a lot of data mining to get out relevant points(an effort spent uselessly).
    01-25-2015 04:48 AM
  11. Wevenhuis's Avatar
    Nice attention to detail. Good one. Thanks.
    01-25-2015 04:52 AM
  12. Jazmac's Avatar
    I think all criticism that follows the structure:

    "I don't like this because... and it would better if..."

    is perfectly fine and a good thing! It's not whining. Paul is being constructive in his criticism. That's infinitely better than many other posts which really are only rants.

    I think those complaining about whining should consider their responses are also just adding to the sum of whining in the forums. Anyone crying: "This sucks! How stupid is M$? Give me what I want or I'm moving to Android" deserves a bit of scorn... agreed. This is something else entirely.

    I think we should be applauding anybody with this kind of enthusiasm. Nothing bad can come of people like Paul adding to the pool of ideas... whether this is alpha, beta or final software shouldn't matter. Constructive criticism has never hurt, at any stage of the development process.
    When you put it that way, I concur. I think what bent me into a pretzel was the title.
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    01-25-2015 10:20 AM
  13. Yazen's Avatar
    I appreciate the time he spent doing a mock up but the fact remains, its a mock up of a supposed finished product. Windows X is not finished. What we have is a Technical Preview and his criticism is mad premature.
    No such thing as premature criticism XD
    However, developers do get flogged on WC.

    WC audience consists mostly of consumers, imo it's to be expected...

    Was thinking about developing a couple of exclusives for Windows 10 if the background agent APIs have matured.

    Not going to be posting much on WC though haha ;)
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    01-25-2015 11:05 AM
  14. Jazmac's Avatar
    No such thing as premature criticism XD
    However, developers do get flogged on WC.

    WC audience consists mostly of consumers, imo it's to be expected...

    Was thinking about developing a couple of exclusives for Windows 10 if the background agent APIs have matured.

    Not going to be posting much on WC though haha ;)
    Why? Can't take the heat? LOL. jk.
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    01-25-2015 05:01 PM
  15. etphoto's Avatar
    These people holding their breath and stomping there feet over a PREVIEW because of the way it looks reminds me of my wife. I could be half finished painting a room and she walks in and starts pointing out the spots I missed.
    01-25-2015 05:26 PM
  16. Vitor Salvatore Pierce's Avatar
    Are we complaining that a beta preview that isn't even yet a consumer preview isn't looking nice? It would be fair if we had this sort of errors in design after consumer preview, but with tech preview, really?
    Isn't Consumer Preview?
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    01-25-2015 05:33 PM
  17. a5cent's Avatar
    ^ No, at this time MS is still releasing Windows technical previews. MS calls them Windows TP or Windows CP. That slide you've provided doesn't have anything to do with either however. There Myerson is discussing the Windows team's development focus (enterprise features, consumer features, etc), not the types of previews and their release dates.
    01-25-2015 05:40 PM
  18. jpal12's Avatar
    My only issue with the new settings app is the status bar not matching the title bar in color. If they matched, the UI would look much better, with a thicker title bar and a more consistant look.
    01-25-2015 05:56 PM
  19. spaulagain's Avatar
    These people holding their breath and stomping there feet over a PREVIEW because of the way it looks reminds me of my wife. I could be half finished painting a room and she walks in and starts pointing out the spots I missed.
    As someone who designs and develops websites, I'm fully aware of the "not finished" aspect in a product. But I'm also aware that if people don't bring things up early enough, then I could be going the wrong direction and deliver a product unsatisfactory for the end user. And no one here is stomping their feet. I hope Microsoft will clean this all up.

    But I've also seen Microsoft's fully baked projects like Windows 8 where they clearly shipped too early and half assed much of the UI.

    So yes, I'm going to bring up UI issues before it's too late and they ship this thing.
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    01-25-2015 07:59 PM
  20. Vitor Salvatore Pierce's Avatar
    ^ No, at this time MS is still releasing Windows technical previews. MS calls them Windows TP or Windows CP. That slide you've provided doesn't have anything to do with either however. There Myerson is discussing the Windows team's development focus (enterprise features, consumer features, etc), not the types of previews and their release dates.
    But I think we'll se just Tech Previews until the final version.
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    01-26-2015 01:10 AM
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