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  1. anon(8150199)'s Avatar
    No one ever talks or yells like an moron to his phone..)
    With Cortana, I can just type into the box. She even shows what I tell her to follow (headlines and weather).
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    01-26-2015 08:11 AM
  2. anon(8150199)'s Avatar
    I think the Panoramas will still be there, but they will not be as 'obvious' as they were. The hamburger button is the new trend for Microsoft...
    The store (beta) app is exactly what you said.
    01-26-2015 08:14 AM
  3. tiziano27's Avatar
    These changes are needed...

    What changes would you suggest? Don't know if I would agree with your changes but would love to see what you see as specific changes to make.

    I think Metro helped a lot in promoting flat design in UIs, and removing useless chrome. In general, It's a beautiful design language, but It has many problems:

    The use of typography and white space to differentiate the function of the text is not a good idea because space is scarce in mobile devices.
    I think Metro was optimized for getting glances of information during the day, like traffic signs, easy to decode with just a glance. The problem is that smartphones became much more than that, in many cases It's the most important computing device for the user. People use them for complex tasks, want to see a lot on information, people got used to work with more information density. So, Metro is out of tune with the current usage pattern of smartphones.

    They have to incorporate color as a way to differentiate functionality, instead of white space an typography. Increase the information density. Incorporate esthetic elements over boring but easy to read elements, the smartphone user choose a delightful UI over an boring/easy to read UI, specially when buying devices.

    Other problem is the layout of the UI elements, It's so weird, unfamiliar, unexpected. I think they optimized single handed use. But single handed used is just impossible anymore with the big phones that people prefer today. Because, again, the smartphone is not that small accessory anymore, It's not a pager, a BalckBerry, It's the main content consumption device according to stats.

    Metro is obsolete.
    Last edited by tiziano27; 01-26-2015 at 09:10 AM.
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    01-26-2015 08:52 AM
  4. white_Shadoww's Avatar
    I think Metro helped a lot in promoting flat design in UIs, and removing useless chrome. In general, It's a beautiful design language, but It has many problems:

    The use of typography and white space to differentiate the function of the text is not a good idea because space is scarce in mobile devices.
    I think Metro was optimized for getting glances of information during the day, like traffic signs, easy to decode with just a glance. The problem is that smartphones became much more than that, in many cases It's the most important computing device for the user. People use them for complex tasks, want to see a lot on information, people got used to work with more information density. So, Metro is out of tune with the current usage pattern of smartphones.

    They have to incorporate color as a way to differentiate functionality, instead of white space an typography. Increase the information density. Incorporate esthetic elements over boring but easy to read elements, the smartphone user choose a delightful UI over an boring/easy to read UI, specially when buying devices.

    Other problem is the layout of the UI elements, It's so weird, unfamiliar, unexpected. I think they optimized single handed use. But single handed used is just impossible anymore with the big phones that people prefer today. Because, again, the smartphone is not that small accessory anymore, It's not a pager, a BalckBerry, It's the main content consumption device according to stats.

    Metro is obsolete.


    Well, I think the opposite. Metro is more easy to use and as functional as other OS' UI. And also looks a lot better. I don't find UI elements weird, unexpected. They are at the right places, at the bottom, where they can be reached fast without much hassle.
    01-26-2015 09:53 AM
  5. a5cent's Avatar
    They have to incorporate color as a way to differentiate functionality, instead of white space an typography. Increase the information density. Incorporate esthetic elements over boring but easy to read elements, the smartphone user choose a delightful UI over an boring/easy to read UI, specially when buying devices.
    Using colors as a means of differentiation is a poor choice because about 8% of males have some sort of colour vision deficiency. At least that is what I was told at an entry level UI design course...
    01-26-2015 10:21 AM
  6. tiziano27's Avatar
    Using colors as a means of differentiation is a poor choice because about 8% of males have some sort of colour vision deficiency. At least that is what I was told at an entry level UI design course...

    You should avoid colors codes alone. An example of color coded information are traffic lights.
    It's fine to use text as the main code, and color as a secondary cue to facilitate the interpretation.
    Last edited by tiziano27; 01-26-2015 at 12:30 PM.
    01-26-2015 12:15 PM
  7. Michael Gerullis's Avatar
    I agree. It totally kills the ease of one handed use in many apps. Having to reach on top is horrible, I have a 930 and it is bad. (Even worse for 1520 users)
    01-26-2015 03:10 PM
  8. TechAbstract's Avatar
    I agree. It totally kills the ease of one handed use in many apps. Having to reach on top is horrible, I have a 930 and it is bad. (Even worse for 1520 users)
    Yes, I rather have burger menu on bottom right.
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    01-26-2015 03:28 PM
  9. TechFreak1's Avatar
    First of all this is not a personal dig at you or your opinions, your entitled to them however the approach you are suggesting is just wrong lol. Let me explain.

    I think Metro helped a lot in promoting flat design in UIs, and removing useless chrome. In general, It's a beautiful design language, but It has many problems:

    The use of typography and white space to differentiate the function of the text is not a good idea because space is scarce in mobile devices.
    I think Metro was optimized for getting glances of information during the day, like traffic signs, easy to decode with just a glance. The problem is that smartphones became much more than that, in many cases It's the most important computing device for the user. People use them for complex tasks, want to see a lot on information, people got used to work with more information density. So, Metro is out of tune with the current usage pattern of smartphones.
    So you would prefer if everything cramped was into one a single space therefore requiring more focus. If anything the Metro typography is perfect for phones as it is clear, easy to read and navigate.

    Oh complex tasks... you mean this right?
    wait I need to jump out of an app to do something,
    then go into another do something else
    and I need to hold a button, scroll through the icons,
    find what I was using or close the other apps..

    It took Apple to get to IOS 7 to get a decent task switcher. Whereas Windows phone had it since 7 (3 years prior, however the back stack was too confusing) and I'm well aware both took a few pages out of WebOS.



    They have to incorporate color as a way to differentiate functionality, instead of white space an typography. Increase the information density. Incorporate esthetic elements over boring but easy to read elements, the smartphone user choose a delightful UI over an boring/easy to read UI, specially when buying devices.
    Increase the information density??

    Bombarding a user with too much information in a confined space is far too overwhelming, especially in this day & age where people's attention span is no more equivalent to that of a goldfish.

    Information needs to be displayed in a clear, crisp and concise manner combined with images or animations not sugar coated in candy fluorescent colours (some people are colour blind). Perhaps you have been playing too much Candy Crush .


    Other problem is the layout of the UI elements, It's so weird, unfamiliar, unexpected. I think they optimized single handed use. But single handed used is just impossible anymore with the big phones that people prefer today. Because, again, the smartphone is not that small accessory anymore, It's not a pager, a BalckBerry, It's the main content consumption device according to stats.
    So what about the ios layout on the 6+ how does that work for you?

    If anything people are too accustomed to tapping for information instead of reading, the UI is not unfamiliar or unexpected - people don't like change and are far to focused on what they are comfortable with.


    Metro is obsolete.
    I wouldn't say it is obsolete, just diluted by the demands of users who want it to be IOS / Android-esque.
    white_Shadoww and a5cent like this.
    01-26-2015 11:13 PM
  10. white_Shadoww's Avatar
    First of all this is not a personal dig at you or your opinions, your entitled to them however the approach you are suggesting is just wrong lol. Let me explain.



    So you would prefer if everything cramped was into one a single space therefore requiring more focus. If anything the Metro typography is perfect for phones as it is clear, easy to read and navigate.

    Oh complex tasks... you mean this right?
    wait I need to jump out of an app to do something,
    then go into another do something else
    and I need to hold a button, scroll through the icons,
    find what I was using or close the other apps..

    It took Apple to get to IOS 7 to get a decent task switcher. Whereas Windows phone had it since 7 (3 years prior, however the back stack was too confusing) and I'm well aware both took a few pages out of WebOS.




    Increase the information density??

    Bombarding a user with too much information in a confined space is far too overwhelming, especially in this day & age where people's attention span is no more equivalent to that of a goldfish.

    Information needs to be displayed in a clear, crisp and concise manner combined with images or animations not sugar coated in candy fluorescent colours (some people are colour blind). Perhaps you have been playing too much Candy Crush .



    So what about the ios layout on the 6+ how does that work for you?

    If anything people are too accustomed to tapping for information instead of reading, the UI is not unfamiliar or unexpected - people don't like change and are far to focused on what they are comfortable with.



    I wouldn't say it is obsolete, just diluted by the demands of users who want it to be IOS / Android-esque.

    Exactly what I wanted to say. Sometimes I just don't find the right words to state what I want to say, maybe because my mothertongue is not English. Anyway, thanks!
    TechFreak1 likes this.
    01-26-2015 11:29 PM
  11. TechFreak1's Avatar
    Exactly what I wanted to say. Sometimes I just don't find the right words to state what I want to say, maybe because my mothertongue is not English. Anyway, thanks!
    Don't fret, you will pick them up in time as the saying goes "practice makes perfect" :).
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    01-26-2015 11:35 PM
  12. white_Shadoww's Avatar
    Anyway, I don't get one thing, if Microsoft wants one experience on all devices, that's why the hamburger menu and removal of pivots, why don't they allow us to keep the start screen on PCs then? Because on the phone, the main screen is Start screen and on a PC it is Desktop. So, how is this one experience across all devices?



    And instead of introducing hamburger in PC version and slamming that on phones in the name of universal apps and one experience, why not just evolve Metro a bit and use it on PC? I mean make the header text in pivots a bit smaller on phones (because they have small real estate of screen), as in here, the tapatalk app.
    01-26-2015 11:43 PM
  13. SB5's Avatar
    Anyway, I don't get one thing, if Microsoft wants one experience on all devices, that's why the hamburger menu and removal of pivots, why don't they allow us to keep the start screen on PCs then? Because on the phone, the main screen is Start screen and on a PC it is Desktop. So, how is this one experience across all devices?



    And instead of introducing hamburger in PC version and slamming that on phones in the name of universal apps and one experience, why not just evolve Metro a bit and use it on PC? I mean make the header text in pivots a bit smaller on phones (because they have small real estate of screen), as in here, the tapatalk app.
    Actually in the new build for windows 10 the start menu is expandable and has vertical scrolling instead of horizontal like the start screen. This kind of goes in line with windows phone's vertical scrolling on the start screen.
    01-26-2015 11:54 PM
  14. white_Shadoww's Avatar
    Actually in the new build for windows 10 the start menu is expandable and has vertical scrolling instead of horizontal like the start screen. This kind of goes in line with windows phone's vertical scrolling on the start screen.

    But still, when I power on a Windows Phone, first I see is Start screen. While when I power on a PC, first I see is Desktop. It is not one experience. Horizontal or vertical scrolling doesn't matter as both have different oriented screens.
    01-27-2015 12:00 AM
  15. taymur's Avatar
    i didnt see it yet, my start menu, modern apps, nor the notification center, work. so i guess i have to wait for a fix.
    01-27-2015 03:55 AM
  16. streifenleopard's Avatar
    I still don't understand why they introduced a notification centre. It is not in line with the tiles layout and they should have made a notification live tile to be configured totally at the user's disposal.
    I also think it is a pity that the black background has disappeared from so many apps (ebay etc). I love it.
    01-27-2015 04:27 AM
  17. hagjohn's Avatar
    Well, I think the opposite. Metro is more easy to use and as functional as other OS' UI. And also looks a lot better. I don't find UI elements weird, unexpected. They are at the right places, at the bottom, where they can be reached fast without much hassle.
    I had less eye strain using Metro than I do with win10 9926. I could tell my eyes were starting to strain immediately. They went a long way from win7 to win8 but now they've gone too far back to win7. :(
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    01-27-2015 04:41 AM
  18. white_Shadoww's Avatar
    I had less eye strain using Metro than I do with win10 9926. I could tell my eyes were starting to strain immediately. They went a long way from win7 to win8 but now they've gone too far back to win7. :(

    Yes, Metro is perfect, easy to use and simple looking. It's pleasing to eyes and it makes us use the thing say PC or phone more because just that beautiful it looks. And minimalism is better actually, as you said, it doesn't strain eyes. Because Metro shows most relevant info and the info is showed at the right places, on right pages unlike cramming everything on one screen which makes things confusing.
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    01-27-2015 05:43 AM
  19. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    Android, even with lollipop, is and just looks awful to me.

    Ios is alright.

    I choose windows phone over those two because I am already within the Microsoft ecosystem and I may as well have my phone and gaming connected together as a unit....and I have no real need to switch to another platform.

    So there's your reason right there.
    01-27-2015 06:05 AM
  20. aerosidinc's Avatar
    do some research before you jump. google didn't invent that button. That button has been on One Note app for iPhone before google's material design,
    01-27-2015 06:22 AM
  21. aerosidinc's Avatar
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    That button has been on One Note app for iPhone before google's material design,
    01-27-2015 06:27 AM
  22. Jorge Holguin's Avatar
    You guys know that MS will be bringing back some of the features from WP7 and WP8 the took out on WP8.1, right? No all of them will make a comeback but many will.
    01-27-2015 10:45 AM
  23. a5cent's Avatar
    You guys know that MS will be bringing back some of the features from WP7 and WP8 the took out on WP8.1, right? No all of them will make a comeback but many will.
    Like what (beyond re-integrating IP based messaging services into the messaging app)? Sources?
    TechFreak1 likes this.
    01-27-2015 11:06 AM
  24. Jorge Holguin's Avatar
    Like what (beyond re-integrating IP based messaging services into the messaging app)? Sources?
    Pictures hubs one of them.
    portalfocus likes this.
    01-27-2015 02:30 PM
  25. TheCudder's Avatar
    The modern metro UI should stay EXACTLY the way is it, as it has proven to be a winning combination! Three percent market share! Keep the current design language and scare off dev's even further from a distance third place mobile OS. The thing that's so great about the current (dated) app design language...it stands a great chance of persuading even more large companies to pull their mobile apps (see Chase Bank).

    I don't know what it is with you guys. The Windows Phone 7/8 "metro/modern" app design is really dated in 2015, it looked great when it debuted, but it's time has past. And with the position Microsoft is in, they are the last one's that should be going against the grain when it comes to UI design ---- 1) They are 3rd place in the mobile space 2) They tried in in 2012 and they delivered the failure known as Windows 8. If you want Windows Phone to succeed, welcome & embrace the change. We're not getting the old design back, so instead of complaining, suggest ways to make sure the updated design language provides a great experience on mobile devices. Microsoft can't continue down the road you guys want them to, or you'll be forced to use iOS or Android in a few years because there won't be a Windows Phone OS any more.

    Besides...it's not like we're losing live tiles and the actual OS level UI.
    Last edited by TheCudder; 01-27-2015 at 04:13 PM.
    01-27-2015 03:14 PM
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