02-21-2015 03:55 PM
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  1. KhawarNadeem's Avatar
    Where did you hear that (besides here)?
    Umm... It's kind of obvious:

    1. In every single WP device review on the web.
    2. When you use a low-end Android and a low-end Lumia side-by-side
    3. When you compare benchmarks and you see the 930 and 1520 rate higher than even newer Android devices. Of course benchmarks don't always reflect real-world performance, but it's a standard comparison.
    4. Android was kind of a jerky, laggy mess outside of Nexus devices before Project Butter and Svelte made things better (not to mention, now, ART), and I can say this from owning high-end Android devices until 2013 when I switched to Lumia. When Android was laggy on 4.1, WP7 was slaying on half the hardware power.

    Come on. :/
    xandros9 likes this.
    02-02-2015 09:30 AM
  2. tiziano27's Avatar
    From what I've seen, since 8.1 WP sucks in low end hardware.
    Makm likes this.
    02-02-2015 10:39 AM
  3. Yazen's Avatar
    Optimization for what? Apps or the OS?
    Mostly OS, and this in return will apps too.. If LongListSelector in WP8 has issues then every app using LongListSelector will have issues. This inheritance can extend all the way to the lowest level parts of the OS.
    Microsoft has confirmed multiple times that they are neglecting the S4 platform that the 820/920/1020/etc were built on.

    There are no S4 devices being manufactured in the future so it would be safe to assume that W10 was targeted for the newer Snapdragon SoCs. Qualcomm has solutions that Microsoft uses too, that are extended/removed/etc.

    E.g this would be impractical to implement on a Lumia 1020:


    As features are being added and enhanced it is easy to create two divergent development paths, similar to Lumia Camera and Classic...

    W10 was built on top of WP8.1 so it is safe to assume that S4 devices are compatible with core OS functionality.

    Ultimately: If WP8.1 app compatbility is a concern, older Lumias are a good candidate for Loading/Resuming screens. Not saying that the 1020 is slower than the 830, because it is definitely not, however it is reasonable to assume that Microsoft will not be doubling down development for a platform that is no longer in production.
    02-02-2015 11:17 AM
  4. xandros9's Avatar
    From what I've seen, since 8.1 WP sucks in low end hardware.
    From what I've seen, its not as great and lagfree as many make it out to be. It's smooth for the most part, but applies loading screens liberally to mask it. My sister's 521 on 8.1 runs tolerably, and probably beats other models in its price grade.

    but it still handles much better than I've seen CyanogenMod do on better specs in general. But I think Android really varies depending on skin (where Samsung's TouchWiz seems to weigh down even the highest performance phones) and configuration. An unofficial CM11 (KitKat) build on this GS II I have ran laggily. (especially typing)
    I threw on an unofficial, early CM12 build and it was night and day. Performs nowhere near as well as my relatively similarly spec'ed 920 handles, but I could probably live with it - keep in mind Android probably has more overhead from widgets and less-restricted background apps. (compare to Lumia 820)

    I've seen Jellybean handle surprisingly well on 384 MB RAM and an 800 MHz ARMv6 single-core once. (unofficial ported CM10 ROM) For basic use though.
    02-02-2015 09:46 PM
  5. Yazen's Avatar
    Would have to say that the $35 Galaxy Light beats the $35 Lumia 530 hands down ;-)

    USA / T-Mobile pricing
    02-02-2015 10:43 PM
  6. Jas00555's Avatar
    Would have to say that the $35 Galaxy Light beats the $35 Lumia 530 hands down ;-)

    USA / T-Mobile pricing
    Where are you possibly getting that from?

    The cheapest, official listing I could find what you're talking about is $150

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00H50DVPE...pUvbUpU2969393
    xandros9 likes this.
    02-02-2015 10:53 PM
  7. Bagzton's Avatar
    Is everyone seeing this on WP81? If so, my guess is that it's due to most of the apps now being "fast resume" (and maybe a bug in the OS), which means they take up memory even in the background (i.e. suspended). Once memory is full, WP81 starts kicking suspended apps out as new apps are loaded. In that case, the "resuming" screen is really a "restarting app" screen.

    Compare the time it takes to start a fresh instance of an app to the "resuming" time. If they're similar, that's probably what's happening. I don't know why these crappy phone OSes don't have a virtual memory system so that they can swap to disk (which is basically an SSD) when necessary. Maybe the crappy ARM CPUs don't have VM support?
    I'm trying to understand you but can you apply this reason to the Start Screen that also resumes?
    02-03-2015 04:59 AM
  8. Mike Gibson's Avatar
    I'm trying to understand you but can you apply this reason to the Start Screen that also resumes?
    I don't know enough about the innards of the OS itself to say yes or no on that one. The Start Screen/Shell is obviously a program ... but is it treated as just another "app" as well in 8.1? Maybe.
    02-03-2015 07:41 AM
  9. anon(8150199)'s Avatar
    No, because it was fantastic on 8.0. The minute I switched to 8.1 it completely bogged down. So bad that when I scroll on my Start Screen, the tiles will all be blank and take a couple seconds to load up. I've tried removing a bunch of tiles, removing folders, all kinds of things. Even did a reset.



    It seems to be hit or miss with some people, so I think there is some bug that only happens with a certain set of factors. Either way it's embarrassing and uncharacteristic of Windows Phone.
    One simple solution (or maybe not): Hard reset.
    02-03-2015 07:57 AM
  10. Yazen's Avatar
    Where are you possibly getting that from?

    The cheapest, official listing I could find what you're talking about is $150

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00H50DVPE...pUvbUpU2969970
    Maybe it is regional? B&M price has been $35 for the Galaxy Light.

    I bought several units for $50 each at Wal-Mart ~2 months ago...
    02-03-2015 09:27 AM
  11. Johnny Tremaine's Avatar
    Or am I the only one facing this on my 1020
    Nope you're not. I get it all the time. Even the home screen lags; when hitting the Start button, all the tiles are blank and have to get re-drawn each time.
    It's no exaggeration to say that my Lumia 1020 is as bogged down as my old Samsung Galaxy S3 ever was.
    Resuming screens for nearly every system app, never mind third party applications.
    02-03-2015 09:38 AM
  12. Idiosyncrasy's Avatar
    I'm trying to understand you but can you apply this reason to the Start Screen that also resumes?
    Having Cortana pinned to the start screen can cause lag/resuming. This is a known issue.
    Having a live lockscreen app can also slow down your start screen as it reallocates the resources it was using
    02-03-2015 09:40 AM
  13. Johnny Tremaine's Avatar
    Having Cortana pinned to the start screen can cause lag/resuming. This is a known issue.
    Having a live lockscreen app can also slow down your start screen as it reallocates the resources it was using
    I have neither Cortana nor a live lock screen, yet my Start screen takes 2-3 seconds to redraw almost each time. I even get the Resuming screen when doing something as simple as tapping on Photos and going into the gallery.

    And yes, I've also checked out a Lumia 830, at an AT&T carrier store. I remember briefly navigating around the UI, on the floor model, and seeing 'Resuming....." a couple of times. Not exactly a great first impression for a prospective buyer.

    WP 8.1 most definitely has bugs that have yet to be fixed, and I doubt they will ever be, given Microsoft's focus on Windows 10 now.

    I wouldn't doubt if W10 is a laggy horror show on older devices like the 520/820/920/1020/925
    02-03-2015 09:46 AM
  14. Yazen's Avatar
    I have no resuming on start screen with 925. When I updated to cyan I flashed phone.
    I get very brief "loading" and "resuming" screens while using Skype, WhatsApp, and Flipboard.
    02-03-2015 10:18 AM
  15. Yazen's Avatar
    The faster animations in 8.1 can't hide the deficiencies of the OS haha.
    Android and iOS are far more mature in this respect.

    Wonder how W10 will stack, especially for older (though still fast) S4 devices
    02-03-2015 10:20 AM
  16. anon(8150199)'s Avatar
    I have no resuming on start screen with 925. When I updated to cyan I flashed phone.
    I get very brief "loading" and "resuming" screens while using Skype, WhatsApp, and Flipboard.
    Same here, though Xbox music (ugh) and Lumia camera get the resuming screen so often.
    Yazen likes this.
    02-03-2015 04:32 PM
  17. Yazen's Avatar
    Same here, though Xbox music (ugh) and Lumia camera get the resuming screen so often.
    Forgot about Lumia Camera
    Worst offender on WP8.1
    02-03-2015 04:42 PM
  18. Bagzton's Avatar
    Having Cortana pinned to the start screen can cause lag/resuming. This is a known issue.
    Having a live lockscreen app can also slow down your start screen as it reallocates the resources it was using
    I don't even use a live lock screen and I would have tried unpinning Cortana but as Johnny Tremaine has pointed out, much to my guess, it doesn't solve it. I'll just have to bear it and see how W10 pans out on this.
    02-06-2015 01:27 PM
  19. fluffyowl's Avatar
    Turning my Lumia 1020 off and on again seems to solve all the resuming and loading problems.... for about a week. Then it starts to bog down so much so that apps start "Loading..." and crash before it even gets a chance to open. It IS cumbersome to restart my phone every week but after the restart its buttery smooth. Apps open instantly and im very happy. :D
    02-06-2015 03:21 PM
  20. noersetiawan's Avatar
    I read in a forum (not here) that someone installed W10 on his 520, and he says that resuming screen is no more, suggesting "true multitasking" or "save state of app to ram" is implemented. Is it true? Can someone with 520 or any 512MB phone with W10 confirm this?
    02-20-2015 07:03 AM
  21. pankaj981's Avatar
    It's not gone, well completely. Instead it shows the accent colored screen for a second or two and then the app loads, something tells me Microsoft is going to change the load animation from the resuming screen to something more appealing
    noersetiawan likes this.
    02-20-2015 07:10 AM
  22. IgorVysoky's Avatar
    Well I haven't had a single resuming screen on my Lumia 520 with w10 but they're are long loadings. But without any loading either. It's still very laggy and early build though
    02-21-2015 03:55 PM
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