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  1. Jorge Holguin's Avatar
    W10 has been well received by those using W10 TP including me. And now MS have release Touch-based Office preview and according to the early reviews people like it. So far every thing it's going according to plan on the PCs and tablets area, but what about the phone? Well, MS is testing the software internally to make sure the preview is not as messy as the last released. I am anxious and exciting at the same time to try W10 (phones) that I put together a small list why I believe W10 (phone) will be great and I dare to say the best phone OS period. I revised some of the MS Research videos and some of the post attacking MS for letting other companies out-buy them.

    Here is why I believe W10 (phone) will be great.
    1 - New CEO and new attitude inside MS.
    2 - Universal Apps.
    3 - New acquisitions to [yes] diminish competition and build up the portfolio. *
    4 - Interactive live tiles: something that hasn't been talk about recently because it came out early last year & it was supposed to be WP8.2.
    5 - MS just release a Java toolkit for W10. Microsoft backs Java for cross-platform mobile apps | InfoWorld +
    6 - Microsoft’s Satya Nadella Makes Peace With Silicon Valley Microsoft?s Satya Nadella Makes Peace With Silicon Valley - WSJ

    *:
    1. Acompli
    2. Aorato
    3. Capptain (Mobile) application development
    4. Equivio
    5. GreenButton Cloud computing
    6. HockeyApp
    7. InMage Disaster recovery solutions
    8. Mojang
    9. Parature Customer service software
    10. Revolution Analytics
    11. Sunrise (Calendar)
    12. SyntaxTree Developer tools

    Although, some of these acquisitions are for the cloud platform [Azure] MS is thinking about 'fun, connection and productivity and integration.' MS apps are among the top ten apps on iOS and Android. And even if you don't like it that is a good thing. Why? Because, most of the excuses for people not to jump to WP isn't the lack of app but how much they depend on the Google and Apple ecosystems. Many of us [WP] have been crying why is MS developing better apps for the big two and not for WP? Well, this have been answer many times already. But I just put another point, besides the obvious MS is learning to bring a better experience to W10 PCs & Phones.

    +: I don't believe MS will be bringing Android Apps to W10, first: it just doesn't make sense and second: BB tried and it failed big time. I believe MS its just making it easier for those Java developers to make Universal W10 apps.

    Here are the links of the Interactive live tiles:


    Last edited by Jorge Holguin; 02-05-2015 at 12:48 PM.
    02-05-2015 09:55 AM
  2. ranker's Avatar
    good points but id have to use it... but so far its looking decent.
    02-05-2015 09:57 AM
  3. Jorge Holguin's Avatar
    As right now there is only one app I would like to see on W/WP 8.1 and up; Clash of Clans. This is the biggest game on Android and iOS and some of my friends have it and are waiting for Windows to have it. For two reasons, 1: they want me to join them and 2: They wanna try WP but just because we dont have that game they are hesitating.
    Lundon44 and john Hmar mawi like this.
    02-05-2015 01:34 PM
  4. Abishek Robinson's Avatar
    One small application we would appreciate to find it in wp10 will be clash of clans.... We really miss it here...
    Jorge Holguin likes this.
    02-05-2015 02:36 PM
  5. Jorge Holguin's Avatar
    Microsoft: Coming to a smartphone near you Read this so you can understand better MS plan towards W10 [PCs and Phones.] MS is stealing a page from Apple and Google's book; hook up all the people you can to your ecosystem and they will follow. And if W10 is as good as it seems to be the rest will be history. :)
    02-05-2015 03:10 PM
  6. ortizang's Avatar
    Play total conquest instead!
    02-05-2015 03:16 PM
  7. Jorge Holguin's Avatar
    Play total conquest instead!
    I am.. Love the game, but let's be real it is not even close to Clash of Clans plus my friends don't play Total Conquest.
    ven07 likes this.
    02-05-2015 03:30 PM
  8. ajst222's Avatar
    Let's just wait and see how it all plays out. If they want Windows 10 to be truly successful on phones, they'll have to really get behind it and push. They seemed to start to do that before, but that push kind of died off in the midst of Ballmer retiring and Nadella taking over.

    There still has a lot to be done on the Windows 10 (desktop front) however as it still feels very unfinished. Obviously it's a work in progress. We'll see how the first preview of it turns out on phones. Apps could definitely still be a deciding factor for a lot of people, and I hope that the OneCore thing actually works as planned, but for whatever reason, I have doubts
    Jorge Holguin likes this.
    02-05-2015 05:07 PM
  9. Jazmac's Avatar
    Love the post Jorge Holguin...my new best friend.
    Jorge Holguin likes this.
    02-05-2015 05:20 PM
  10. dKp1977's Avatar
    Where has the Preview for Developers been a mess, my dear OP? The upcoming Windows 10 preview build for phones has explicitly been announced as not by far feature complete, unstable, buggy and not working as expected. It has been pointed out several times that we should not install it on anything we rely on as a daily driver. None of this applied to the PfD Program, where we sort of got a feature complete, mostly bug free and almost finished OS.

    And again someone is praising Universal apps as the uber feature we'll be looking forward to and that will be the salvation of Windows overall. While I do agree that Universal apps are great, they are not new. Not at all. They have been introduced with Windows Phone 8.1 and Windows 8.1 already. If not even 8, not sure about this one.
    02-06-2015 02:14 AM
  11. chipeast's Avatar
    Universal apps were introduced in Windows 8.1 and Windows phone 8.1 before then developing an app for Windows 8.x and Windows 8 phone was a two app project. Universal apps may not be new to Windows 10 but Universal store is. Universal store gives developers the ability to publish to one store across all device types. That does not exist now with PC's and phones let alone all Windows devices.. The Windows development platform is also being improved but they have not released many details on this.

    Universal apps isn't the only benefit of having a single Windows Runtime environment. You will see Windows development tools improve at a dramatic rate. You will also see the Windows OS itself, across all devices, evolve at a much faster rate. Live tiles, push notifications etc. etc. for Windows 8.x and Windows 8 all had to be developed separately because it was a different API. Now the API will be the same across all Windows Devices. This will dramatically help Microsoft Developers create a better Windows OS.
    Jorge Holguin likes this.
    02-06-2015 03:55 AM
  12. dKp1977's Avatar
    Universal apps were introduced in Windows 8.1 and Windows phone 8.1 before then developing an app for Windows 8.x and Windows 8 phone was a two app project. Universal apps may not be new to Windows 10 but Universal store is. Universal store gives developers the ability to publish to one store across all device types. That does not exist now with PC's and phones let alone all Windows devices.. The Windows development platform is also being improved but they have not released many details on this.

    Universal apps isn't the only benefit of having a single Windows Runtime environment. You will see Windows development tools improve at a dramatic rate. You will also see the Windows OS itself, across all devices, evolve at a much faster rate. Live tiles, push notifications etc. etc. for Windows 8.x and Windows 8 all had to be developed separately because it was a different API. Now the API will be the same across all Windows Devices. This will dramatically help Microsoft Developers create a better Windows OS.
    While all this is true, I'm afraid that's too technical for most of those who are so enthusiastic about universal apps. I believe so far they didn't even realize that we already had them.
    You know what I would really like to see in Windows 10? True sync. Like when opening an app, it doesn't only clear the tile on the device I opened it on, but also on all other devices. That would be awesome. Imho. :)
    02-06-2015 05:03 AM
  13. Jorge Holguin's Avatar
    Where has the Preview for Developers been a mess, my dear OP? The upcoming Windows 10 preview build for phones has explicitly been announced as not by far feature complete, unstable, buggy and not working as expected. It has been pointed out several times that we should not install it on anything we rely on as a daily driver. None of this applied to the PfD Program, where we sort of got a feature complete, mostly bug free and almost finished OS.

    And again someone is praising Universal apps as the uber feature we'll be looking forward to and that will be the salvation of Windows overall. While I do agree that Universal apps are great, they are not new. Not at all. They have been introduced with Windows Phone 8.1 and Windows 8.1 already. If not even 8, not sure about this one.
    Everybody knows the risk of installing a preview OS.. I did it with my PC and Phone when W8 came out and I can tell you that it broke my phone and PC and for what I read I wasn't the only one. And comparing W10 preview to the last one I can tell you my PC is as fast as it was when it has W7.
    02-06-2015 07:55 AM
  14. psudotechzealot's Avatar
    The Greatness of W10(Phone) will truly depend on the effort & energy put into WP10 by Microsoft. We will see if your prophecy will come true.
    02-06-2015 07:57 AM
  15. TechFreak1's Avatar
    Let's just wait and see how it all plays out. If they want Windows 10 to be truly successful on phones, they'll have to really get behind it and push. They seemed to start to do that before, but that push kind of died off in the midst of Ballmer retiring and Nadella taking over.

    There still has a lot to be done on the Windows 10 (desktop front) however as it still feels very unfinished. Obviously it's a work in progress. We'll see how the first preview of it turns out on phones. Apps could definitely still be a deciding factor for a lot of people, and I hope that the OneCore thing actually works as planned, but for whatever reason, I have doubts
    Yeah, apps are deciding factors especially for teens; my little cousin who got the 620 ended up getting the M8 (android version) all because of snapchat.... . Initially he wanted to get the WP version but that is still locked to the US, I know a lot of people who ended up getting the android version as they couldn't wait any longer.
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    02-06-2015 11:45 AM
  16. ajst222's Avatar
    Yeah, apps are deciding factors especially for teens; my little cousin who got the 620 ended up getting the M8 (android version) all because of snapchat.... . Initially he wanted to get the WP version but that is still locked to the US, I know a lot of people who ended up getting the android version as they couldn't wait any longer.

    You bring up another good point...availability. People in the US can't get some phones here, people internationally can't get some phones there, and even within countries people can't get phones because of carrier exclusives. Microsoft needs to work VERY hard at getting their lineup available to everybody. This also means less variations of essentially the same exact phone. Keep it simple, and try to make it available across the board.
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    02-06-2015 11:49 AM
  17. rhapdog's Avatar
    What I find interesting, is that with the grab of Acompli and Sunrise, and with the addition of making Microsoft Word, Excel, Powerpoint available to iOS and Android users for free, they have just made Android and iPhone users more productive.

    Now, I know a lot of you are saying, "Yeah, Microsoft has just made Android and iPhone users have no reason to switch to WP." But that's where you're wrong. Microsoft has just made iPhone and Android users say, "Wait, what? I thought Microsoft was a non-player when it comes to apps. That's what I've always been told. But now they have the best apps that I use on my phone?"

    This means Android and iPhone users will stop bashing Microsoft and start showing Microsoft some love. Which in turn means that a lot of them will be willing to check out the new Windows 10 later, because Microsoft software has made them more productive. I'm not talking about the teenagers here who can't live without Snapchat and the like. I'm talking about people who do business in the real world. When THOSE people start adopting Win10 phones, developers are going to take notice, because it is going to be THOSE people who decide what kind of phone their teenage children are allowed to have, because they hold the purse strings, if you will.

    Smart strategy, to say the least. They aren't trying to make iPhone and Android better. The goal here is to make Microsoft "loved". Once they accomplish that, then Microsoft devices will be the cool device to have.

    As I learned well from Cortana:
    Why did the hipster burn his mouth on his coffee? Because he drank it before it was cool.
    We Windows Phone 8.1 users are simply hipsters, and we're doing it before it's cool. Later, everyone will be wanting a Windows Phone. Okay, my opinion, but I'm entitled to it.

    When you can get some of these tech sites that have always been fanboys of iPhone to start talking nice and being impressed by Windows 10, then you know you've done something right.
    02-06-2015 02:41 PM
  18. Jorge Holguin's Avatar
    The Greatness of W10(Phone) will truly depend on the effort & energy put into WP10 by Microsoft. We will see if your prophecy will come true.
    I will let the boss answer that..
    Microsoft: We Have No Intention to Give Up on Windows Phone - Softpedia
    02-06-2015 03:40 PM
  19. Jorge Holguin's Avatar
    What I find interesting, is that with the grab of Acompli and Sunrise, and with the addition of making Microsoft Word, Excel, Powerpoint available to iOS and Android users for free, they have just made Android and iPhone users more productive.

    Now, I know a lot of you are saying, "Yeah, Microsoft has just made Android and iPhone users have no reason to switch to WP." But that's where you're wrong. Microsoft has just made iPhone and Android users say, "Wait, what? I thought Microsoft was a non-player when it comes to apps. That's what I've always been told. But now they have the best apps that I use on my phone?"

    This means Android and iPhone users will stop bashing Microsoft and start showing Microsoft some love. Which in turn means that a lot of them will be willing to check out the new Windows 10 later, because Microsoft software has made them more productive. I'm not talking about the teenagers here who can't live without Snapchat and the like. I'm talking about people who do business in the real world. When THOSE people start adopting Win10 phones, developers are going to take notice, because it is going to be THOSE people who decide what kind of phone their teenage children are allowed to have, because they hold the purse strings, if you will.

    Smart strategy, to say the least. They aren't trying to make iPhone and Android better. The goal here is to make Microsoft "loved". Once they accomplish that, then Microsoft devices will be the cool device to have.

    As I learned well from Cortana:

    We Windows Phone 8.1 users are simply hipsters, and we're doing it before it's cool. Later, everyone will be wanting a Windows Phone. Okay, my opinion, but I'm entitled to it.

    When you can get some of these tech sites that have always been fanboys of iPhone to start talking nice and being impressed by Windows 10, then you know you've done something right.
    If I would have not written the OP this would have been the best replacement for it. I love your last two paragraphs.

    We Windows Phone 8.1 users are simply hipsters, and we're doing it before it's cool. Later, everyone will be wanting a Windows Phone. Okay, my opinion, but I'm entitled to it.

    When you can get some of these tech sites that have always been fanboys of iPhone to start talking nice and being impressed by Windows 10, then you know you've done something right.
    Nobody could have say it better.
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    02-06-2015 03:47 PM
  20. vEEP pEEP's Avatar
    I don't want to be a hipster. I don't like the clothes and pretentiousness.

    Can we just skip that stage?
    02-06-2015 03:50 PM
  21. jeffchapik's Avatar
    Until Microsoft addresses the lack of interest with the carriers' sales reps, nothing else is going to matter. I'd venture that 95% of people walk into a store with no idea what phone they want to get, and they'll end up with whatever the salesperson steers them towards. And that's almost never WP.

    My own mother took her L920 to the AT&T store last week because she was having trouble with the battery life. What was their solution? They sold her an iPhone 6.

    She gave the 920 to me and I reset it and it's just fine. This is the same 920 they tried to convince her not to get originally, when I took her in and specifically asked for one. They tried to sell her an android.

    Another friend of mine went to a Verizon store to look at a Windows phone, and they actually asked him "Why do you want one of those? They're too confusing to use.". They didn't even have a working demo.

    Without some incentive from Microsoft for the sales people, I'm afraid we're never going to rise above being an also ran in the U.S. market.
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    02-06-2015 04:05 PM
  22. tgp's Avatar
    What I find interesting, is that with the grab of Acompli and Sunrise, and with the addition of making Microsoft Word, Excel, Powerpoint available to iOS and Android users for free, they have just made Android and iPhone users more productive.

    Now, I know a lot of you are saying, "Yeah, Microsoft has just made Android and iPhone users have no reason to switch to WP." But that's where you're wrong. Microsoft has just made iPhone and Android users say, "Wait, what? I thought Microsoft was a non-player when it comes to apps. That's what I've always been told. But now they have the best apps that I use on my phone?"

    This means Android and iPhone users will stop bashing Microsoft and start showing Microsoft some love. Which in turn means that a lot of them will be willing to check out the new Windows 10 later, because Microsoft software has made them more productive. I'm not talking about the teenagers here who can't live without Snapchat and the like. I'm talking about people who do business in the real world. When THOSE people start adopting Win10 phones, developers are going to take notice, because it is going to be THOSE people who decide what kind of phone their teenage children are allowed to have, because they hold the purse strings, if you will.

    Smart strategy, to say the least. They aren't trying to make iPhone and Android better. The goal here is to make Microsoft "loved". Once they accomplish that, then Microsoft devices will be the cool device to have.
    Interesting concept. My idea is a bit different.

    I don't think people are going to see Microsoft as "cool" because they put excellent Office apps on iOS and Android. "Cool" and "productive" are not generally used in the same sentence. Microsoft has been known for its Office suite and other productivity software since forever. Most users have no desire or need to be productive on their phones using Office. I'm not sure why people see Office as the Holy Grail that will somehow redeem WP.

    In short, I don't think this will do anything to help WP's cause. It will, however, be good for Microsoft. They were forced to provide Office for the other platforms because they were hemorrhaging users, who were moving to iWorks and Google Docs.

    Sent from whatever device I happen to be using today using Tapatalk
    WanderingTraveler likes this.
    02-06-2015 04:30 PM
  23. hagjohn's Avatar
    Video is from early last year. No start screen per say with 10, so interactive tiles are no good.
    02-07-2015 06:25 AM
  24. WanderingTraveler's Avatar
    Interesting concept. My idea is a bit different.I don't think people are going to see Microsoft as "cool" because they put excellent Office apps on iOS and Android. "Cool" and "productive" are not generally used in the same sentence. Microsoft has been known for its Office suite and other productivity software since forever. Most users have no desire or need to be productive on their phones using Office. I'm not sure why people see Office as the Holy Grail that will somehow redeem WP. In short, I don't think this will do anything to help WP's cause. It will, however, be good for Microsoft. They were forced to provide Office for the other platforms because they were hemorrhaging users, who were moving to iWorks and Google Docs.Sent from whatever device I happen to be using today using Tapatalk
    They now have great calendar and email apps, though. The Verge was praising Outlook for iOS, too.What Microsoft will want is enterprise lock-in. And when your customers are locked in, doesn't it make more sense to move to a platform that plays better with the service?
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    02-07-2015 06:26 AM
  25. Jorge Holguin's Avatar
    Video is from early last year. No start screen per say with 10, so interactive tiles are no good.
    We do have start screen on tablets..
    02-07-2015 07:15 AM
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