03-24-2015 08:14 PM
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  1. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Windows Mobile had the drop down menus and people loathed them. WP7 came along and introduced the Metro UI, but nobody bought it. Now they bring the menus back and call them Hamburgers or Sloppy Joes, whatever. Let's face it, this is what the majority wants. Personally, I prefer the Enyo sliding panels design of webOS but we all know how that ended up.
    L Beezy and portalfocus like this.
    02-13-2015 03:28 PM
  2. Nick Garza's Avatar
    I don't see why adding features means you have to back away from the unique design. The design isn't and never has been the issue with wp, its the perception and the lack of apps. That hasn't changed and it probably won't.

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    02-13-2015 03:30 PM
  3. Nick Garza's Avatar
    Current TP 10 is a real mix of UI design. A lot of the new PC style is coming to the phone with a theme applied.

    I'm sure it will evolve, but it does currently feel like it has 2 or 3 heads. Hopefully that will settle down quickly.
    Mimicking the PC style on windows phone is just ******* silly. It doesn't work most of the time, at least not as well as windows phone 7/8 did. Navigating and using it was a breeze, and came very naturally for devices as small as phones. Slapping the PC ui makes me think of people publishing web apps as actually apps I'm the store.

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    02-13-2015 03:35 PM
  4. regi7's Avatar
    I rather like the hamburger design. With only the three dots, sometimes my hand misses it completely. You've gotta balance design with features because no one will switch over if every other phone does twice as much - especially if they have many times more apps.
    02-13-2015 03:36 PM
  5. Nick Garza's Avatar
    I think ux consistency between smartphones and PCs is a joke and a terrible idea. There is a reason iOS is completely different than OSX ( and yet they work perfectly together now ). A universal app like the calendar, calculator or messaging isn't going to fix any of the issues with windows phone.

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    02-13-2015 03:42 PM
  6. tgp's Avatar
    Speaking about consistency across devices, I don't think that is a good idea.
    I think ux consistency between smartphones and PCs is a joke and a terrible idea.
    Agreed. As much as I think it would be cool, I don't see it working well either. No matter what a revolution brings, there are physical logistical aspects to the difference between 5" devices and 23" devices, and how we interact with them. I don't see consistency between them resulting in a good experience for both, at least in the current paradigm.
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    02-13-2015 03:46 PM
  7. TheCudder's Avatar
    Speaking about consistency across devices, I don't think that is a good idea. Every device has it's own usage scenario. On phones and tablet you are using touch screen, while on a desktop you are using mouse and keyboard. Touch screen and mouse and keyboard work differently, so one UI across all devices can't be done without sacrificing UI either on phones or on desktops. Windows 8 sacrificed desktop UI and Windows 10 is sacrificing touch phone UI.
    That's the thing, the UI's aren't even identical and they do cater to the device, that's the purpose of a small amount of the "universal" code actually being different on universal apps---so that the UI caters to the device it's on. Phone vs. Tablet-Desktop. Look up images for the Windows 10 Outlook, People & XBOX apps (one's that show them on tablet, PC, & phone). Yes, they share the same feel (colors, icons, menu icon), but they are unique to the device & screen size when it comes to the collapsed menu list, icon placement, what's displayed by default, etc. Most of the negative feedback here is solely based on the lack of the Pivot menu's --- any solution that isn't pivoting menu's is an issue to some it seems. So no pivot = terrible, bad, confusing, awful...that is what I've taken away from that feedback.
    02-13-2015 04:05 PM
  8. colinkiama's Avatar
    Imo, they should use the hamburger button and keep the pivots so everyone is happy. For example the OneDrive app. The pivots and 3 dots are for main functions and the Hamburger button is for additional functions like switching between business and normal accounts. It would work perfectly in my opinion
    02-13-2015 04:09 PM
  9. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    You could almost never swipe yourself in to settings in an app, had to press the ... dots in the lower right corner to get to settings. So not much difference there. Yes swiping between app functions as in Instagram is great, but lets face it, Microsoft is in no position do dictate how developers should design apps. If this can bring more apps and more important, quality apps from Android and iOS developers then it's a small tradeoff. Developers should be able to design their apps to their liking. Spotify is a good example which now looks the same on all platforms and works great.


    You dont press ..., you swipe up.

    See this is what I meant, people hardly knowing how well thought out the design was for WP
    02-13-2015 04:14 PM
  10. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    Imo, they should use the hamburger button and keep the pivots so everyone is happy. For example the OneDrive app. The pivots and 3 dots are for main functions and the Hamburger button is for additional functions like switching between business and normal accounts. It would work perfectly in my opinion


    That hamburger still will make me use my second hand on a 5 inch device and open with a jerky motion. Whereas pivots in People hub are so east that I can swipe with one hand even on 1520 and still be able to add or remove contacts etc with one hand. That is how useful and NATURAL pivots are.
    02-13-2015 04:24 PM
  11. colinkiama's Avatar
    You dont press ..., you swipe up.

    See this is what I meant, people hardly knowing how well thought out the design was for WP
    You can do both. What's call is that you cam even press/slide on the left side that has no dots and it still works. Try it now
    02-13-2015 04:24 PM
  12. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    You can do both. What's call is that you cam even press/slide on the left side that has no dots and it still works. Try it now


    Yeah but if you can slide, would you rather adjust your hand and press? No.
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    02-13-2015 04:26 PM
  13. colinkiama's Avatar
    That hamburger still will make me use my second hand on a 5 inch device and open with a jerky motion. Whereas pivots in People hub are so east that I can swipe with one hand even on 1520 and still be able to add or remove contacts etc with one hand. That is how useful and NATURAL pivots are.
    I just realised. Why don't Microsoft make the layout of the 3 dot menu customisable. For example tapping/swiping it can show a full screen menu, half screen, screen coming from the side. Anywhere really. And developers can have full control over the look yet we can still keep pivots and one-handibility. How about that?
    02-13-2015 04:30 PM
  14. colinkiama's Avatar
    Yeah but if you can slide, would you rather adjust your hand and press? No.
    That's a good point actually. I never realised how smart the WP team was with the UX
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    02-13-2015 04:31 PM
  15. Alain_A's Avatar
    That hamburger still will make me use my second hand on a 5 inch device and open with a jerky motion. Whereas pivots in People hub are so east that I can swipe with one hand even on 1520 and still be able to add or remove contacts etc with one hand. That is how useful and NATURAL pivots are.

    how many occasion one uses one hand on their phone...if I am not driving then I still used 2 hand to work on my phone....
    02-13-2015 04:35 PM
  16. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    how many occasion one uses one hand on their phone...if I am not driving then I still used 2 hand to work on my phone....

    Almost mostly? We aren't going to tell people that they are holding it wrong are we?

    One handed phone usage is VERY common. Especially those who text a lot, write emails, tweet etc.
    02-13-2015 04:37 PM
  17. tiziano27's Avatar
    Consistency and conventions are important, but providing the best ui for the form factor is also important.
    A familiar and delightful UI that makes the product more attractive in the stores is important, bur ergonomics and efficiency in daily use is also important.

    There is no correct UI, MS has to find a balance of objectives with trade offs. Some apps will have tabs(pivots), other apps like the Photos app shouldn't because the functions in the hamburger menu aren't frequently used. So, don't get to far into conclusions with one app.

    IMO, Metro was a total failure because It was an extreme.
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    02-13-2015 04:38 PM
  18. KarmaEcrivain94's Avatar
    Microsoft has heard us. Or otherwise they have SERIOUS problems. Question is, do they care? They seem to have been very responsive with the community, but we haven't heard anything about UI/UX, and that's scary.
    02-13-2015 04:40 PM
  19. tiziano27's Avatar
    Microsoft has heard us. Or otherwise they have SERIOUS problems. Question is, do they care? They seem to have been very responsive with the community, but we haven't heard anything about UI/UX, and that's scary.
    Microsoft is developing a product for 100 million people, not for 200 hipsters. They have invested billions in this business, and they're close to lose a big part of it. So, you have to understand their priorities.

    Please, don't be offended with the term hipster.
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    02-13-2015 04:51 PM
  20. Alain_A's Avatar
    Almost mostly? 1) We aren't going to tell people that they are holding it wrong are we?

    One handed phone usage is VERY common. 2) Especially those who text a lot, write emails, tweet etc.
    1) no, we are not

    2) texting and writing email (almost all day long) is faster at 2 hand rather than one
    02-13-2015 04:54 PM
  21. link68759's Avatar
    how many occasion one uses one hand on their phone...if I am not driving then I still used 2 hand to work on my phone....

    02-13-2015 04:54 PM
  22. Alain_A's Avatar
    took me awhile to figure out what I was looking at...

    in that case I see it..but how many like this!
    02-13-2015 04:58 PM
  23. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    1) no, we are not

    2) texting and writing email (almost all day long) is faster at 2 hand rather than one

    So you just told me to use two hands for emails. But then swipe is faster for me and many others who get used to it. It should be a choice, no?
    02-13-2015 05:00 PM
  24. Alain_A's Avatar
    So you just told me to use two hands for emails. But then swipe is faster for me and many others who get used to it. It should be a choice, no?
    agreed our choice...but are we going to get it???....or is it feasible.
    02-13-2015 05:03 PM
  25. link68759's Avatar
    took me awhile to figure out what I was looking at...

    in that case I see it..but how many like this!

    I had a hard time getting both hands clearly in the shot :)

    WP7 and WP8 were all about simplicity. Simplicity means easy. Easy means all controls within thumb's reach. I benefit more than the next person from these design principles, but you don't need to be me to appreciate easy.
    a5cent and white_Shadoww like this.
    02-13-2015 05:08 PM
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