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  1. Skamath's Avatar
    Where is my DENIM

    Please Calm down people for all we know the OS is under development. I am sure things will get sorted out over a period of time
    02-15-2015 01:33 PM
  2. white_Shadoww's Avatar
    I don't even get the arguement. Why pretend to fix the UI, if it ain't broke?
    Metro is easy to use, beautiful and more funtional. Why ditch it?
    Few days ago, when someone revealed, MS is starting the UI design from scratch and will leave Metro (I can't find the link of the article, but it was here on WindowsCentral, many of you would have read that), then people laughed at it, and said, is MS crazy, ditching the current UI and starting from scratch? Seems, that was true.
    Sent from my Lumia 920!
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    02-15-2015 02:01 PM
  3. Laurman's Avatar
    I feel that need of the other hand is unnecessary. Back in time when we had buttons on mobile phones nobody used both hands for doing stuff in phone except texting and gaming.

    Praxius, as far as I'm concerned 1320 didin't get W10p this time, so your wife is using old panorama styled apps (except Onedrive), which don't need so much of two hand action.
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    02-15-2015 04:07 PM
  4. savagelizards's Avatar
    This is the way a vast majority of consumers feel, and it is why Microsoft is going the direction they are going. They can't continue to cater to the 3-percenters out there. They have to do what they can to reach the other 97%.
    This attitude, and the phrase "assuming right-hand use," are concerning to me as a left-hander. As phones continue to expand, the extra real estate can't possibly be fully accessible. It would be a mistake to forget that what seems like a "natural" swipe for a right-hander may not be for a leftie. Let's not create a new problem while solving the original one.
    02-15-2015 05:39 PM
  5. Visa Declined's Avatar
    I don't even get the arguement. Why pretend to fix the UI, if it ain't broke?
    Metro is easy to use, beautiful and more funtional. Why ditch it?
    Because it's not selling well possibly?

    The things that you guys love, varies wildly from what the general smartphone buying public is used to. Microsoft has the option of keeping you guys happy and staying at ultra low market share, or making WP friendly and familiar to the world, and increasing their numbers. You guys will get over it, you always do.
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    02-15-2015 05:45 PM
  6. Marlon Bu's Avatar
    Because it's not selling well possibly?

    The things that you guys love, varies wildly from what the general smartphone buying public is used to. Microsoft has the option of keeping you guys happy and staying at ultra low market share, or making WP friendly and familiar to the world, and increasing their numbers. You guys will get over it, you always do.
    To copy mistakes from other OSs will boost sales?
    02-15-2015 06:10 PM
  7. Visa Declined's Avatar
    To copy mistakes from other OSs will boost sales?
    Who is calling it a mistake?

    *edit*

    The hamburger is the universal visual cue for menu's and other functions. I've read a lot of "Microsoft is copying Android/iOS" sentiment the last few days, but it goes much further than those other 2 OS's.

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    And the link that was posted earlier, where the guy from Apple said hamburger menus were awful? There's more than a few Apple-made apps on my iPhone that have hamburger menus in them, including their app store.

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    02-15-2015 06:19 PM
  8. anon(5969054)'s Avatar
    Holy **** do you really have to press back a million times in wp10 when you dive in different sections of the photos app? Cycle all the way back? That's extremely horrible. Damn it, wp10 is getting a horrible user experience.

    I ******* hate that hamburger.
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    02-15-2015 06:50 PM
  9. Jas00555's Avatar
    Holy **** do you really have to press back a million times in wp10 when you dive in different sections of the photos app? Cycle all the way back? That's extremely horrible. Damn it, wp10 is getting a horrible user experience.

    I ******* hate that hamburger.
    I don't get what you're saying. You're upset the back button.... Takes you back?
    xandros9 likes this.
    02-15-2015 07:03 PM
  10. xandros9's Avatar
    I don't get what you're saying. You're upset the back button.... Takes you back?
    I dont know firsthand, but maybe they're saying the app has to many "layers"?

    Although I don't really think the hamburger presence and back button use are correlated.
    02-15-2015 07:43 PM
  11. Jas00555's Avatar
    I dont know firsthand, but maybe they're saying the app has to many "layers"?

    Although I don't really think the hamburger presence and back button use are correlated.
    Except that's not how the app is laid out. You just use the hamburger menu to get to different sections. There's only two layers. Three at most if you count changing things in settings.
    02-15-2015 07:46 PM
  12. manicottiK's Avatar
    And the link that was posted earlier, where the guy from Apple said hamburger menus were awful? There's more than a few Apple-made apps on my iPhone that have hamburger menus in them, including their app store.
    Except that the App store "hamburger button" graphic isn't a hamburger menu button at all, it's a button to get to a "wish list" of apps that the user wants to buy. In fact, it's not even a hamburger graphic, it looks more like the "select" graphic in the WP email or photos apps.
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    02-15-2015 09:22 PM
  13. realwarder's Avatar
    Putting aside where it should be there, I wish they'd at least decide whether the hamburger should be on the left or right.
    02-15-2015 10:31 PM
  14. drachen23's Avatar
    Who is calling it a mistake?

    *edit*

    The hamburger is the universal visual cue for menu's and other functions. I've read a lot of "Microsoft is copying Android/iOS" sentiment the last few days, but it goes much further than those other 2 OS's.

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    And the link that was posted earlier, where the guy from Apple said hamburger menus were awful? There's more than a few Apple-made apps on my iPhone that have hamburger menus in them, including their app store.
    It's common, but that doesn't make it good. It's a lazy UI device that got popular because it was so easy to implement. There was a post floating around here before by Redbooth who moved their main app navigation from a hamburger to a bottom-oriented icon tab strip and found that their app usage stats doubled and the engagement length went up 70%. That's why Apple and anyone who knows anything about mobile UX doesn't like them. This isn't just a matter of Windows Phone fanboys whining about change either. There's a lot of debate in both the mobile app and mobile web industries about how to handle mobile menus and whether hamburgers are a good thing or not. Previously, Windows Phone wasn't a part of this debate because it had a really well-thought out standard menu system.

    If anyone wants to know why Microsoft is going for the idiotic hamburger button, it has NOTHING to do with it being a familiar interface for users. It's not. See the Redbooth blog post above. It's a lazy, junk-drawer, mystery meat UI pattern. The real reason is, at the moment, called ApplicationViewTitleBar. It's going to be a standard Page control for Windows 10. The idea is that Windows 10 and Windows 10 on the phone are the same operating system and will run the same exact universal app. At the moment, universal apps are two separate projects with two separate UI projects and a shared code project. The idea is that all apps would use this new control on the phone, desktop and tablet.

    In any case, hats off to Microsoft for releasing a very raw look at Windows 10 and accepting feedback on it.
    02-15-2015 10:53 PM
  15. badr0b0t's Avatar
    All that is needed is a retractable finger grips behind the phone for better one-handed operation.
    02-15-2015 10:59 PM
  16. Draconica5's Avatar
    I am an Onehand user and I support this topic! #onehanduser #onehandgate

    When you need to touch the button at out of reach (hamburger button), you have to adjust your phone on your hand and balance it with other 4 fingers,
    => increasing the chance to drop your phone,
    => You have to buy a new phone,
    => Capitalist love this.
    02-15-2015 11:24 PM
  17. white_Shadoww's Avatar
    Because it's not selling well possibly?

    The things that you guys love, varies wildly from what the general smartphone buying public is used to. Microsoft has the option of keeping you guys happy and staying at ultra low market share, or making WP friendly and familiar to the world, and increasing their numbers. You guys will get over it, you always do.
    Oh.. Come on! You really think, why WP is not doing well is because of UI? Then you would be surprised to know, that it is not beause of UI, but the lack of apps and features. I'll show you a general conversation between me and my friends. I'm a college student and so they are. This will give you a basic acknowledgement of what young people think of WP and why don't they buy it.

    My friend - Hi dude. I'm thinking of buying a phone.
    Me - Wow. Great. Which phone did you decide on then?
    He - Apple is out of my budget, guess it will be any Galaxy or Xperia or even HTC. Not decided yet.
    Me - Well, you could try Windows Phone, a great OS!!
    He - Ohh.. Let me see your phone.
    Me - (show him my 920), I show him the cool Live Tiles, smoothness, soothing animations.
    He - That's really great. But, Android is also smooth, my brother has a XYZ phone. It's very good. And Lollipop animations are also very good.
    Me - Yeah, but Windows is also good. We have the best cameras.
    He - Yeah, but, I've heard there are not much apps for Windows Phone. And Instagram and Twitter are plain bad compared to Android.
    Me - (As, I don't lie and don't want my friends to be disappointed after getting the phone.) Well, yeah. You can't upload videos to Instagram yet. You can't edit your past posts on Instagram. You can't change your profile pic and cover photo on Facebook app. Twitter app doesn't show inline images and notifications are broken.
    He - And what about Bluetooth?? I heard you can't send files over Bluetooth.
    Me - Yes, we can now. Those were WP7 days.
    He - And WiFi direct? And USB OTG?
    Me - No, WiFi direct is not built into the OS, but there are apps, third party. And no USB OTG either yet, but things can change in future.
    He - Dude, why do you think I will get this phone? Agree, it looks good, but no good apps. By the way, I heard there are no official Google apps.
    Me - Yeah, no gmail, no Google Plus, no Hangouts, but we have Skype. No YouTube, but we have great third party apps.
    He - I don't trust third party apps. And, I heard Skype is much better on Android than Windows Phone, as is Office and Outlook which is recently launched.
    Me - (sadly) Meh.. Yeah.
    He - Well, Android has more games too, and have variety of options. 930 doesn't have a microSD card and 1520 is very big. You can live with these much limitations, I can't. Sorry.
    Me - Yeah, your choice. Good luck with your new phone.

    See where the problem lies. Lack of quality apps, lack of features, lack of high end and good mid end phones and the perception are holding Windows Phone back. One positive thing in favour of WP was its UI which is being scraped. People would adore Metro if it had apps. It's not the UI which is holding back. Don't try to fix which is not broken.
    Last edited by white_Shadoww; 02-16-2015 at 12:54 AM.
    02-16-2015 12:18 AM
  18. Kram Sacul's Avatar
    The hamburger is the universal visual cue for menu's and other functions. I've read a lot of "Microsoft is copying Android/iOS" sentiment the last few days, but it goes much further than those other 2 OS's.
    Pretty sad that a once beautiful and unique OS built on ease of use now takes inspiration from clunky mobile websites.
    02-16-2015 12:49 AM
  19. forked's Avatar
    I love the complainers on this thread *cough* Praxius *cough*. Making sure the UX works as well as possible for one handed use does not make it more difficult for two handed use. Are there things that are only going to be done efficiently using two hands? Yes. Doesn't mean they shouldn't strive to make one handed operation as efficient as possible. Not sure why anyone would complain about people wanting the UI/UX to be as useful as possible but I guess a post about 2+2 equaling 4 would have complaining.
    02-16-2015 01:48 AM
  20. techiez's Avatar
    I love the complainers on this thread *cough* Praxius *cough*. Making sure the UX works as well as possible for one handed use does not make it more difficult for two handed use. Are there things that are only going to be done efficiently using two hands? Yes. Doesn't mean they shouldn't strive to make one handed operation as efficient as possible. Not sure why anyone would complain about people wanting the UI/UX to be as useful as possible but I guess a post about 2+2 equaling 4 would have complaining.
    With windows 10 its not abt phones anymore, universal apps are for tablets and laptops/PCs with mouse. it does make sense to include menus on top for tablet/pc compatibility. now someone had previously suggested to have 2 UIs one for phones with bottom ellipses menu and one for PCs having hamburger at the top, but then that means double the development effort so we are back to square one where developers wont care to develop for WP. WP is not in the drivers seat so they have to adapt to what devs are comfortable rather than forcing devs to adopt their UI.
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    02-16-2015 01:58 AM
  21. techiez's Avatar
    once beautiful and unique OS
    once beautiful & unique OS with a miniscule marketshare.
    02-16-2015 01:59 AM
  22. Kram Sacul's Avatar
    once beautiful & unique OS with a miniscule marketshare.
    Yeah, I'm sure a few out of place hamburger buttons and other sloppy UI mistakes will fix that.
    02-16-2015 02:06 AM
  23. Visa Declined's Avatar
    Except that the App store "hamburger button" graphic isn't a hamburger menu button at all, it's a button to get to a "wish list" of apps that the user wants to buy.
    It's a hamburger button that opens another screen to perform a function. Feel free to call it what you want though.
    02-16-2015 02:10 AM
  24. Visa Declined's Avatar
    I don't have Windows 10 on my phone, but from what I've seen of the pictures, I think it's great. The regular 8.1 photos app has a bunch of wasted space, and the new design fixes that.

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    02-16-2015 02:44 AM
  25. GrandGerminator's Avatar
    I don't have Windows 10 on my phone, but from what I've seen of the pictures, I think it's great. The regular 8.1 photos app has a bunch of wasted space, and the new design fixes that.

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    I agree with the wasted space on the actual photo app. It comes from the extremely large layouts at the top that have a secondary layout with the accent color. When using metro apps as the Skype or Zbox, you can see metro is working really great without that wasted space. Hope everyone will agree with that.
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    02-16-2015 02:54 AM
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