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  1. tiziano27's Avatar
    Part of what's going on in this and other hamburger-related threads is that we're all recognizing that there's less agreement and consistency -- and thus less "common knowledge" -- about "hamburger menus" than many of us assume. I've heard varying degrees of argument that the "purpose" of a hamburger is to: 1) access less-frequently used functions, 2) access settings, 3) replace tabs, or 4) provide for almost all aspects of app navigation. Given that the hamburger is visible at all times and on all pages, #1 and #2 make little sense to me (why give up prime on-screen real estate to things that are NOT used often). The only difference between #3 and #4 is whether the menu contains only top-level choices (#3) or also provides direct access to more of the functions of the app (#4).

    So, before one can decide whether or not they like the idea of hamburgers, one has to know what the like/dislike choice brings. If hamburger is supposed to be #4 above, there's research to say that regular users can be harmed while power users are helped.
    If you don't use the hamburger or ellipses for less used functions, where do you put them? The hamburger use so little space, It's a great solution for this.
    The hamburger is not necessarily always visible. Some internal pages can hide the hamburger and show a back button, trying to express the idea of a detail page, and that to go backwards the back button should be used.
    02-16-2015 07:45 PM
  2. tiziano27's Avatar
    We, pretty much all of us, are not "regular" in this sense. Regular people do well with listbox-based apps because the list items are the UI; tapping a list item drives the user deeper into the content. This navigational model has been tested, it works, the idea is sound. Hamburgers separate content and UI; they makes apps modal and make users think of switching from one mode to another. Yes, they can also provide direct-access to functions without requiring many taps and that's why power users or frequent users of specific apps like them.
    Using list of links as the main page implies that the user don't get the content immediately, you could kill and app with that. The revenue of Facebook, Twitter or a news app that shows a list of links as the main screen, would fall dramatically.


    ...
    But they are bad for regular users. Regular users don't tap things that they aren't sure of. I remember in the 1980's telling my mother that none of the buttons on the computer actually start a fire or cause anything to explode and that she should feel free to look around and experiment. She still wanted a list of things that she could do and would not try anything new on her own. While most folks today are much, much more accustomed to technology, they are still "most folks" and not "tech-obsessed folks."

    Those who argue here that "hamburger isn't a big deal" really mean "I can handle it, so why the fuss?" The answer is because user experiences should not be designed to depend on the deep knowledge and engagement of sophisticated users like us. We are exactly the wrong people to say "that's obvious." Some of us arguing this point have tested various UIs to see how they impact UX. I can tell you that from our work, hamburgers menus diminish usage for "regular" people while exciting sophisticated users -- the control is polarizing.
    This is not a problem of the hamburger menus, It's a problem hidden functionality. It happens to Pivots, Panoramas and Ellipses menu too.
    02-16-2015 08:02 PM
  3. manicottiK's Avatar
    Using list of links as the main page implies that the user don't get the content immediately, you could kill and app with that. The revenue of Facebook, Twitter or a news app that shows a list of links as the main screen, would fall dramatically.
    Agreed, but that's my secret plan! Well, not exactly, but I understand the issue and it's why an email app doesn't begin with a folder list.

    This is not a problem of the hamburger menus, It's a problem hidden functionality. It happens to Pivots, Panoramas and Ellipses menu too.
    I do think that pivot, pano, are other tab-based apps are less susceptible to the hidden function problem than hamburger-based apps because the tabs are calling out to be viewed.

    My recollection -- and it's probably not correct, but it's all that I have right now -- is that the hamburger menu came from the "mobile-first responsive design" world where web sites needed to be re-structured to fit on a small-scale screen. Because menu bars are so common on websites and because so many people/departments won hard-fought battle for some of that precious menu bar real estate (particularly when those menu bars supported dropdown menus), few organizations were willing to re-think how their websites should work. As such, UX metaphors designed for large-screen devices were retained in supposedly "mobile-first" design projects. Over time, those "mobile" web standards migrated into native apps. As such, we now have "phone" apps that are designed around principles created for a totally different form factor.
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    02-16-2015 08:21 PM
  4. manicottiK's Avatar
    Perfect case in point is Internet Explorer which is where I am typing right now. If I touch the left side, regardless of how accurate I am avoiding the tab button, I still hit the tab button or I hit the URL section.
    You won't trick me into defending Microsoft's odd "fake app bar" design of IE on WP8!

    In the same argument against the hamburger menu being "not good for users" the same can be said about the three dot menu.
    I won't agree with you here because I think that the hamburger and the app bar menu serve different purposes. Typically, app bars contain function buttons and take users to non-content areas such as settings. On the other hand, hamburgers typically link to content (see the Facebook app).
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    02-16-2015 08:28 PM
  5. tiziano27's Avatar
    I do think that pivot, pano, are other tab-based apps are less susceptible to the hidden function problem than hamburger-based apps because the tabs are calling out to be viewed.
    Pivots are just tabs deformed by the Metro weirdness: The huge font for the tab titles, and the twist that you can go from the last tab to the first one, which is highly confusing for the users.
    Because font is so big, only two or three tab titles can be showed in each page, the other tabs are totally hidden without any indication of their existence. If you have 5 or more tabs It's a nightmare for the user.

    Panoramas are even worst, panoramas are the evil itself. Who did invent such horrible thing?
    In a Panorama, you can have a page that is wider than the screen, so the user sometimes scroll vertically, other times scroll horizontally, other times an horizontal swipe is used to go to the next tab. That's confusing.
    A page only hints the next tab, all the other tabs are hidden without any indication of their existence.

    In both controls It's impossible to get a high level view of the tabs. In Android, you can scroll the tab titles to understand your options, although, that's not easy to discover.

    Metro sucks. !
    02-16-2015 08:52 PM
  6. white_Shadoww's Avatar
    Pivots are just tabs deformed by the Metro weirdness: The huge font for the tab titles, and the twist that you can go from the last tab to the first one, which is highly confusing for the users.


    Because font is so big, only two or three tab titles can be showed in each page, the other tabs are totally hidden without any indication of their existence. If you have 5 or more tabs It's a nightmare for the user.





    Panoramas are even worst, panoramas are the evil itself. Who did invent such horrible thing?


    In a Panorama, you can have a page that is wider than the screen, so the user sometimes scroll vertically, other times scroll horizontally, other times an horizontal swipe is used to go to the next tab. That's confusing.


    A page only hints the next tab, all the other tabs are hidden without any indication of their existence.





    In both controls It's impossible to get a high level view of the tabs. In Android, you can scroll the tab titles to understand your options, although, that's not easy to discover.





    Metro sucks. !


    Well, panoramas are not for every app. Remember the old Music hub. It is for apps like those.
    02-16-2015 09:30 PM
  7. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    Well, panoramas are not for every app. Remember the old Music hub. It is for apps like those.
    You must be new.
    02-16-2015 10:16 PM
  8. white_Shadoww's Avatar
    You must be new.

    Not new. Using WP8 since last 2 years.
    02-16-2015 10:16 PM
  9. RumoredNow's Avatar
    hey OP, the swipe chart was a very good example of why upper left controls suck. good job.

    but the defensive comments in favor of poor user interface choices ....

    it's like defending a car company's choice of putting the windshield wipe control switch on the right front bumper. sure, you can turn on the wipers anytime you want, just stop, get out, walk around the car, reach under the bumper, and press the waterproof switch. simple !

    ​makes one's head spin
    Moving more than one finger onto your phone's screen is that difficult. Dear God, I never realized!!!
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    02-16-2015 10:19 PM
  10. spaulagain's Avatar
    Moving more than one finger onto your phone's screen is that difficult. Dear God, I never realized!!!
    Actually, it is if you are using your other hand for something else like holding a drink, etc.

    I don't get the people that blow off the UX issue this creates. It's not a deal breaker, but it is am issue. And it's an easily solvable issue. It's not that hard to allow the user to swipe instead of pressing the actual hamburger icon.
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    02-16-2015 10:26 PM
  11. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    Moving more than one finger onto your phone's screen is that difficult. Dear God, I never realized!!!
    You are totally missing all the ideas.
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    02-16-2015 10:27 PM
  12. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    Moving more than one finger onto your phone's screen is that difficult. Dear God, I never realized!!!
    You are totally misunderstanding all the points being made, and making fun?
    02-16-2015 10:29 PM
  13. Kram Sacul's Avatar
    I don't have Windows 10 on my phone, but from what I've seen of the pictures, I think it's great. The regular 8.1 photos app has a bunch of wasted space, and the new design fixes that.

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    I agree. The elegant and useful headers are total space wasters. What were they thinking? Why focus on style and presentation when they can cram in as much stuff as possible. Instead of bothering with a nice clean and clear pivot system where we can easily jump from All to Favorites in a few flicks they can just put a hamburger button in the corner like any generic website. It's much less work and they only have to do it once since it's a "universal app". Heck, just put everything at the top of the screen away our fingers. Screw usability. Let the user do all the work trying to navigate this garbage.
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    02-16-2015 10:39 PM
  14. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Moving more than one finger onto your phone's screen is that difficult. Dear God, I never realized!!!
    Refers to the analogy I quoted...

    hey OP, the swipe chart was a very good example of why upper left controls suck. good job.

    but the defensive comments in favor of poor user interface choices ....

    it's like defending a car company's choice of putting the windshield wipe control switch on the right front bumper. sure, you can turn on the wipers anytime you want, just stop, get out, walk around the car, reach under the bumper, and press the waterproof switch. simple !

    ​makes one's head spin
    So moving more than one finger onto the phone screen is analogous to putting the phone in park, exiting the phone and walking around to the front of the phone to place that second digit.

    Was it not clear I was replying to the post I quoted???
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    02-16-2015 10:45 PM
  15. white_Shadoww's Avatar
    I agree. The elegant and useful headers are total space wasters. What were they thinking? Why focus on style and presentation when they can cram in as much stuff as possible. Instead of bothering with a nice clean and clear pivot system where we can easily jump from All to Favorites in a few flicks they can just put a hamburger button in the corner like any generic website. It's much less work and they only have to do it once since it's a "universal app". Heck, just put everything at the top of the screen away our fingers. Screw usability. Let the user do all the work trying to navigate this garbage.


    Totally agree with you. Font size can be reduced to avoid waste of space. Please someone give me screenshots of Photos app for Windows 10 for phones. One with hamburger closed and one with hamburger open. As well as one screenshot of the desktop app as well. And I will show how pivots can be better than hamburger and won't waste screen real estate.
    02-17-2015 12:08 AM
  16. ohgood's Avatar
    Refers to the analogy I quoted...



    So moving more than one finger onto the phone screen is analogous to putting the phone in park, exiting the phone and walking around to the front of the phone to place that second digit.

    Was it not clear I was replying to the post I quoted???

    requiring two hands for a one-thumb input just doesn't make sense.

    the exaggeration of the bumper-button was to showcase the absurdity of putting normal-use controls in odd places.



    older headlight dimmer:
    if you want some humor... have you heard about the insert-rival-university student, who got his foot caught in the steering wheel as he tried to dim the cars high beams ? (too young a generation won't get this one)

    even older starter control:
    or the very old farmer who kept breaking the steering column when he tried to start his granddaughters prius ? (too young generations won't get this one either)

    it's all about the logical placement of controls. things change, and that's fine. change for the sake of 'different' instead of logic just won't improve things.
    02-17-2015 05:06 AM
  17. Praxius's Avatar
    You won't trick me into defending Microsoft's odd "fake app bar" design of IE on WP8!

    I won't agree with you here because I think that the hamburger and the app bar menu serve different purposes. Typically, app bars contain function buttons and take users to non-content areas such as settings. On the other hand, hamburgers typically link to content (see the Facebook app).
    I honestly wasn't trying to trick you into anything. I was merely stating my personal experiences regarding the three dot menu.

    In the majority of cases for me, the three dot menus I use regularly are in apps that prevent me from being able to swipe or select the menu from the left side due to pre-existing items contained in that menu bar. (Internet Explorer is the main culprit)

    I am not saying that they should suddenly remove the three dot menu simply because there's a minor inconvenience once in a while which I have already adapted to. I never even considered it an inconvenience to be honest, not until I put it in the same perspective as other have done with the hamburger menu.

    I am not supporting, defending or attacking any particular menu style, I am merely pointing out that no one menu system is perfect and no one menu system will please everybody.

    As I have not received W10 for my 930 and have yet to try out the hamburger menu system myself, I can not personally judge it's benefits or flaws at this stage.

    But I am also not going to just take the word of others on the internet on if they are bad or not. I will judge for myself when the time comes.

    What these or other hamburger buttons do or don't do isn't so much of a focal point for me. What will matter in the end is how often I will need to use the button and whether it is overall more easier or harder "for me" to use these buttons.

    While I liked Windows Phone's Pivot system, it wasn't exactly perfect either. There was no straight forward way of jumping from one section to another without having to swipe through multiple sections first.

    With the section listings at the top as they were, people new to the specific app have no idea exactly what those sections are or how many sections there are until they swipe all the way through and then eventually swipe back to what they actually want.

    Does the panning effect and uneven/perspective object panning look pretty? Sure.

    But is it really better "function-wise?"

    For certain apps, perhaps.... But in honesty and being objective, it still has flaws and does not function really well for other apps.

    Again, I am not saying Hamburgers (three bar drop down/slide out menus) or Basketball (pivot) or Three Salt Grains (Tiny little three dots on a small sliver in the bottom right) menus are better or worse than another. They all have their strengths and weaknesses depending on what they are used for.

    But one thing is for certain:

    One menu style alone forced to be universal for all apps/os's will not solve all problems, let alone reduce more than it creates.

    I am not any huge fan of the hamburger system, but I am also not hugely opposed of them either.

    I believe once we get another more solid update for W10M that supports the higher end / bigger phones AND we get an update to W10 for PC with more universal apps that look and feel the same on all three systems (so we can all try these apps on each platform ourselves) we can then see and feel what the overall bigger picture will be like and see what Microsoft is really planning.... We will be able to better understand why they went this route in the first place and then we can formulate some better opinions and suggestions on the matter.

    Right now, it's simply still too early to know. All people are complaining about now is visuals and a very limited set of apps to go off of. Those complaining about the hamburger menu on their 1520's being too far away and hard to reach with a single thumb are currently in an invalid position.

    I say they are in an invalid position because they hacked their 1520 and placed an early version of the OS onto their system that is not technically designed for their system yet and arguing and protesting over something they have no logical grounds to argue about.

    Beyond the Partition Stitching thing, we have very little idea what is in store for the flagships and large screen build. Maybe MS is working on something that modifies that menu for large screens like how they have the floating keyboard for large screens. Maybe the layout will change slightly or there will be additional settings added into the OS to modify or switch this menu somehow to cater for large screens.

    It wouldn't surprise me.... Why would they make a floating keyboard to make typing on large screens easier with one hand and yet put in such a menu in an areas they would have known would be annoying for some people? That's like one step forward and one step back.

    If I was a betting man, I'd say one of the other reasons why the low end / smaller phones got the release first had more to do with them working on this very problem and they wanted to try and avoid all of these complaints before they had it all figured out.

    Yet people figured out how to hack their phones and put this build on their phones.... And they're all complaining about a build they shouldn't even have on their phone just yet. A build not specifically designed/refined for their phones and their size.

    All we can do is wait and see.

    Wait and see what comes about from the next build that introduces W10 for the Icon/930/1020/1320/1520 Etc

    ..... Then people can complain all they want with justified reasons.
    02-17-2015 07:16 AM
  18. _Emi_'s Avatar
    Rain and hot dogs and umbrellas....
    that's only on the first page...

    I guess I will not continue Reading this thread.

    there are many ways to use these kind of features on a large screen or even a small screen even if you are only using with one hand. it's not like you can put the pone against your body and move your finger a Little more, I mean, if you had to check your photos while the raining is falling.

    also this is just a preview, we don't know what will come in future from feedback and all that. even after feedback these apps can be changed. but they have to be consistent with computer, I mean, that's the point of Universal Apps, to show developers can take less time developing for Windows platform, target different devices and don't start being lazy and bring their apps only to phones or others only to tablets and desktops.

    It's funny how people complain about this and put the "but what if my hand is busy and I can't reach"... well, not always you have your hands busy and not always you will navigate with your thumb, also... this is only a photos App, the main view will show you all photos, you can easily scroll up and down and find your photo if you really need it while eating and ice-cream or holding an umbrella.

    I am glad most people here have two hands... I mean, I am sure there are people who had an accident or were born without arms or just one, or something. thank god, you are not that person, if you complain, having two hands how hard is to navigate.... I can't imagine how complainer you would be about everything if you only had one hand or none. have you ever seen those amazing artist painting and writing with their feet and doing all that? well I am sure you would be the ones complaining and never trying to do anything. it's just a hamburger menu, it Works, you can move your hand and fingers if you need to tap on it or use your other hand.

    stop making excuses, stop pretending the world turns around you. stop pretending you can't adapt to a small change that will not kill you. maybe at least if you move your hands a little more you will at least exercise your fingers and stop being lazy. I wonder how many complaining have used Win10 TP on their phones, and how many have just seen photos and videos and are complaining without trying to adapt.
    02-17-2015 07:45 AM
  19. rollindice's Avatar
    I asked this question under this forum post http://forums.windowscentral.com/win...ur-device.html

    I don't have it for my device as yet (1020) but I wanna ask others who have it,from videos I see online make me wanna ask question since I see changes to the UI,in the Phone app,when selected you see history by default and usually swipe left to right and get to speed dial quickly and Dialer at the bottom, can you still swipe from left to right and easily switch to between history and speed dial or you ha e to stretch your fingers till to the top to select
    Ive gotten response from someone saying Pivot is pretty much dead in Windows 10. So unfortunately there's no swipe. You have to stretch to the top to click it and sometimes you have to precisely click on the icon for it to work. And I should head over to this forum post to discuss it, Ive attached screen shots ,the one from the new W10 phone is taken from this youtube video. (Windows 10 Technical Preview for Phone Hands-on [Lumia 830] -Booredatwork) at 07:42 , youll see he opens the phone app like I said in post .


    Changes like these are forcing the user to use both hands to get simple things done instead of easy swipe, I really hope this changes. I could imagine on the bigger screen phones to get to speed dial or history now you gotta use both hands or stretch quite uncomfortably to the direct option.

    cantswipeinphoneapp.jpg
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    02-17-2015 08:15 AM
  20. Nicholas Maguire's Avatar
    I'm on the side that thinks if you bought a 6 inch phone and are complaining about having to use 2 hands, you should buy a phone more your size. Also, I was thinking the same thing as the person who said what's the point of that screen space if you don't want them to use it? Do you think there shouldn't be anything you have to touch at the top of the screen? I use 4.3 - 5 inch phones and even I use two hands sometimes. I love the new UI's so far in Windows 10. You 6 inchers are getting worse than the "wen in India" guys.
    Last edited by Nicholas Maguire; 02-17-2015 at 08:52 AM.
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    02-17-2015 08:16 AM
  21. Laurman's Avatar
    Since there are three types of people: Lefties, righties and those who think it's normal to use maximum amount of limbs to do simple tasks. W10p should have option where you can determine which hand you are likely going to use. Based on that apps can mirror some buttons, for example lefties got their three dot menu on the left side and righties vice versa..
    Last edited by Laurman; 02-17-2015 at 09:16 AM.
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    02-17-2015 08:36 AM
  22. rhapdog's Avatar
    Moving more than one finger onto your phone's screen is that difficult. Dear God, I never realized!!!
    I know you were joking, probably because I've been learning how you think on this forums. But, you got me to thinking about something more serious... How do these "one-handers" use the zoom controls? Or play games that require multiple fingers or 2 hands?
    There are more examples of "two-handed controls" even in the old UI, but I don't hear people complaining, because they already learned how to adapt to those.

    Actually, it is if you are using your other hand for something else like holding a drink, etc.
    Hey, drinking and texting is a bad idea. You're liable to text your wife something you meant to send to your girlfriend, then you're really gonna be in a world of hurt. For God's sake! Put down the drink!
    Rain and hot dogs and umbrellas....
    that's only on the first page...

    I guess I will not continue Reading this thread.
    Yeah, I've been discouraged by the lack of talk about hot dogs myself. I just keep telling myself, "I'm trying to quit anyway."
    It's funny how people complain about this and put the "but what if my hand is busy and I can't reach"... well, not always you have your hands busy and not always you will navigate with your thumb, also... this is only a photos App, the main view will show you all photos, you can easily scroll up and down and find your photo if you really need it while eating and ice-cream or holding an umbrella.

    I am glad most people here have two hands... I mean, I am sure there are people who had an accident or were born without arms or just one, or something. thank god, you are not that person, if you complain, having two hands how hard is to navigate.... I can't imagine how complainer you would be about everything if you only had one hand or none. have you ever seen those amazing artist painting and writing with their feet and doing all that? well I am sure you would be the ones complaining and never trying to do anything. it's just a hamburger menu, it Works, you can move your hand and fingers if you need to tap on it or use your other hand.

    stop making excuses, stop pretending the world turns around you. stop pretending you can't adapt to a small change that will not kill you. maybe at least if you move your hands a little more you will at least exercise your fingers and stop being lazy. I wonder how many complaining have used Win10 TP on their phones, and how many have just seen photos and videos and are complaining without trying to adapt.
    Wow.... just... thanks for that.
    02-17-2015 08:47 AM
  23. rollindice's Avatar
    I'm on the side that thinks if you bought a 6 inch phone and are complaining about having to use 2 hands, you should buy a phone more your size. Also, I was thinking the same thing as the person who said what's the point of that screen space if you don't want them to use it? Do you think they're shouldn't be anything you have to touch at the top of the screen? I use 4.3 - 5 inch phones and even I use two hands sometimes. I love the new UI's so far in Windows 10. You 6 inchers are getting worse than the "wen in India" guys.
    if you read my post you'll see i have a lumia 1020 which is 4.5 inches, i myself use two hands sometimes with phone no doubt, no i'm not saying that there shouldn't be anything that i shouldn't touch at top of the screen,in win 8.1 you usually use one hand and bring down the notification menu, should we change the UI whereby we use both hands to get simple functions done as compared to before as using one hand, for instance the Dialer in the Phone app has been changed, instead of it being bigger like before the numbers are smaller which would help with small hands, but why take away simple swiping from left to right to access history or speed dial, and having us stretch to the top to directly select it?

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    02-17-2015 09:07 AM
  24. TechFreak1's Avatar
    Having read through the entire thread, I would suggest before jumping to conclusions actually use the preview for a month as a daily driver before deeming what is acceptable or unacceptable. As You may start to appreciate the hamburger icon there, you may not.

    Using it for a few days is not indicative for an actual use case... you must actually use the phone and become familiar with all its idiosyncrasies before calling yourself an expert (I'm not saying I am, far from it) / stating your opinions as facts.

    Also the issue about cycling through layers with back button, reminds me of the back stack prior MS implementing closing apps on the task switcher. You had to mash the back button back several times to close the app; I would rather use the preview myself before slamming it.

    There are times when one handed operation is absolutely essential i.e taking notes whilst on the landline and responding to a text or email. As a former property manager I can tell you there have been countless time critical scenarios. If you aren't a hands-on property manager, then you are just a glorified call rep.

    One of the posters mentioned, putting the phone down and tending to your child and that I agree with. As you simply can use the speaker phone to multitask. I'm a firm believer that you shouldn't answer your phone whilst eating a) it is not polite b) you become *inaudible* to put it mildly. Plus if your having dinner, lunch breakfast etc then your phone really should be in your pocket not the table:
    A) manners
    B) As you don't run the risk of spilling something (or someone else) on your phone and ending up with a paper weight.

    As RumouredNow mentioned in an earlier post, we humans are by nature are adaptable. Some people don't like change as change comes at a price; never the less it is inevitable as the nature of technology is progressive. MS are moving to design which they feel is progressive and which will appeal to a variety of audiences. You don't need to go beyond the xbox one controller to see which direction they were heading; never the less even if they ship with the hamburger icons; don't forget these are update-able universal store apps.

    Lastly, majority of the smartphone UX design being geared to right handers I imagine that is because either majority of the testers are right handers, ambidextrous or are left handers who have adapted to using a smartphone with their right hand (I know plenty of lefties who use their phones with their right hands). Personally I would say the world in general in terms is geared to right hand use. i.e most kitchenware, scissors, certain mouse models, certain ring binders, certain physical notepads, the location of the trackpad in laptops and so on.

    In regards to posters who are saying the UX is the reason for the global market share of windows phone, to them I say the UX is the last unique spelling point (USP) Windows phone has (Cortana is equivalent OK Google / Google Now so not Unique) therefore do some first hand analytical market research before assuming that is the case as. I am not going in depth or will list the reasons why, as it would mean this essay of a post will just get longer.
    Last edited by TechFreak1; 02-17-2015 at 10:47 AM. Reason: Quick Grammar Edit
    02-17-2015 09:34 AM
  25. manicottiK's Avatar
    Of course, two-handed use is common, but the OS should strive to not require both hands for general use. WP7 and 8 generally succeeded at this because their model of tabs allowed side swipes from anywhere on screen. iOS succeeded because they put the tab bar at the bottom. Android failed, but is recovering because its newest UX guidance suggests that swipes be used where possible.

    The current preview on my 4.5" test device certainly feels less usable in one hand than any Windows phone that I've had. Some of that is because of the need to reach all over the screen. Some is because of what I choose to think of as a defect in the hamburger menu implementation as relates to the back stack.

    No one is saying that occasionally using two hands is bad. Many of us are saying that generally requiring two hands is bad.

    Whether it's hamburgers in general, where UI elements are placed, how the Photos hamburger is acting with respect to the back stack, or anything else, usability at this early stage looks worse rather than improved. As such, it's worth making note now that we appear to have taken a wrong turn rather than driving for four more months before we realize that we were supposed to turn back in January.
    Last edited by manicottiK; 02-17-2015 at 05:13 PM.
    02-17-2015 02:29 PM
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