02-25-2015 11:28 AM
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  1. Lance_WPCentral's Avatar
    Looking at the trend of the earlier previews like Cyan, Denim etc, once the technical preview which was a RTM build was released, approx 5 to 6 months down the line the OTA is available.

    Looking at Windows 10 which is just a Technical Preview and not even a BETA, its going to take a long time and I don't expect the official release as an update OTA to go live before 2016. It will come out on new flagships or handsets may be late 2015 but not as an update.
    geoghotas likes this.
    02-22-2015 08:05 PM
  2. xandros9's Avatar
    The way some carriers do it, that's almost guaranteed for *someone*
    02-22-2015 08:56 PM
  3. svaethier's Avatar
    According to gabe aul people running the tech preview should be able to update to win10 when it comes out right a way.
    02-22-2015 09:26 PM
  4. Lance_WPCentral's Avatar
    According to gabe aul people running the tech preview should be able to update to win10 when it comes out right a way.
    That's just the tech preview and subsequent builds. I'm talking about the complete stable version that will be available OTA for those who aren't registered with the Insider Program.
    02-23-2015 12:46 AM
  5. froi francisco's Avatar
    if that happens i am leaving WP for good... giving priviledge to experience the early stages of the OS should not make us satisfied by how they are handling it.. 2016 is way toooooo late. personally, i would love to see it by the 3rd quarter. THEY WILL NEVER RECOVER IF THEY MISS TO RELEASE IT BEFORE OCTOBER. #justmy2cents
    grantpwarren and Vistaus like this.
    02-23-2015 01:45 AM
  6. anon8959613's Avatar
    Im glad in some countries the carrier doesnt decide on what update you get .. :)
    and it should be like that way for everyone !
    Paul Pepe likes this.
    02-23-2015 02:56 AM
  7. Ma Rio's Avatar
    Well..I have an international sim-free device, and lets just say I still don't have even Denim (Hong Kong L1520).
    I don't know if there's a problem with it or something, but I expect W10 before the end of the year. It would be really bad if it wasn't like that.
    02-23-2015 08:09 AM
  8. geoghotas's Avatar
    Well..I have an international sim-free device, and lets just say I still don't have even Denim (Hong Kong L1520).
    I don't know if there's a problem with it or something, but I expect W10 before the end of the year. It would be really bad if it wasn't like that.
    If you are in HK you handset cannot get Denim this is not your fault or your handset kindly use the BRAIN every country have spec codes which called country variant codes if you handset is flashed with HK country variant you ill get the denim otherwise you ill have to wait for your number/ country i have flashed with HK country variant i got the denim but there were some touch issue so now i am waiting for the official for my country...
    02-23-2015 10:51 AM
  9. alexander0311's Avatar
    620 CV ITalian...no denim. so yea, CV is bull****. also CV COUNTRY is even more bull**** since from my experience almost everytime instead of you getting the update without any carrier's approval from that country, it looks like you need all of them to approve. So **** it, the frustration is too big. ms better do something about it or WP will die even with a windows 124234123123
    02-23-2015 10:58 AM
  10. Harrie-S's Avatar
    If you are in HK you handset cannot get Denim this is not your fault or your handset kindly use the BRAIN every country have spec codes which called country variant codes if you handset is flashed with HK country variant you ill get the denim otherwise you ill have to wait for your number/ country i have flashed with HK country variant i got the denim but there were some touch issue so now i am waiting for the official for my country...
    No you did not flash with HK country variant but with Finland country variant.
    Or did you forget this again?

    And i have no idea what you want to say in the first part of your post?
    Skamath, TechFreak1 and geoghotas like this.
    02-23-2015 11:01 AM
  11. I3unny's Avatar
    Think I kinda agree with you :P
    02-23-2015 11:08 AM
  12. someone2639's Avatar
    The way some carriers do it, that's almost guaranteed for *someone*
    You called?
    02-23-2015 11:09 AM
  13. anon8959613's Avatar
    Lol :)
    02-23-2015 11:13 AM
  14. Blade800's Avatar
    I dont care if theres gonna be a Preview for developers. And that will surely come this year.
    02-23-2015 01:20 PM
  15. Geddeeee's Avatar
    if that happens i am leaving WP for good... giving priviledge to experience the early stages of the OS should not make us satisfied by how they are handling it.. 2016 is way toooooo late. personally, i would love to see it by the 3rd quarter. THEY WILL NEVER RECOVER IF THEY MISS TO RELEASE IT BEFORE OCTOBER. #justmy2cents
    See ya!!!
    anon8959613 likes this.
    02-23-2015 02:25 PM
  16. realwarder's Avatar
    Given that Insider/Preview program is free for all, Windows 10 for phones will be available the date it is released for anyone that wants it.
    02-23-2015 09:16 PM
  17. Visa Declined's Avatar
    Im glad in some countries the carrier doesnt decide on what update you get .. :)
    and it should be like that way for everyone !
    Everyone has the capability of buying a carrier free, unlocked device if they want to. But people in the US can walk out of a carrier store with a $700 high end phone for no money down. When cell phones are your hobby or main interest, it's great being able to do that, instead of having to purchase a budget 630 with 512mb of ram.
    02-24-2015 03:35 AM
  18. anon8959613's Avatar
    Everyone has the capability of buying a carrier free, unlocked device if they want to. But people in the US can walk out of a carrier store with a $700 high end phone for no money down. When cell phones are your hobby or main interest, it's great being able to do that, instead of having to purchase a budget 630 with 512mb of ram.
    and walking out your'd have to deal with the consequences of when you're going to get the updates.
    and yes that option is perfect who change phones like they change underwear.

    I brought my L630 (2 weeks after it was launched) for 11000 INR which amounts to 176.5 USD. (well under my budget as of now as im currently unemployed)

    I like to buy stuff instead of renting.

    okay now that you mentioned that

    "When cell phones are your hobby or main interest, it's great being able to do that, instead of having to purchase a budget 630 with 512mb of ram."

    I don't think a hobbyist would buy a carrier locked device and walk out of the store keeping in mind that all the future updates/new features it is going to get is decided by the carrier and not by the phone manufacturer.

    Even though I own a budget L630 with 512mb ram, I can breathe freely because no one except Microsoft/Nokia decide on when I get updates to my phone.

    I can get my updates instantly when they push it out, unlike have to wait for months/years to get it on a carrier locked phone.

    I don't think "phone enthusiasts" would like to get their updates delayed.

    Oh ! I missed a point

    "A locked phone usually comes with a subscriber contract that ties the user down to this network provider for one or two years. The reason why most major carriers "lock" the phone is because they subsidize its cost to entice customers to buy them. To earn back the lost revenue, they lock the subscriber in a contract."

    Oh and talking about budget, I buy my phone according to what features I need. Sometimes going high end is not what you really need.

    FYI 'most' people buy high end phones just to show off !
    Vistaus, Alexis-1991 and xandros9 like this.
    02-24-2015 04:37 AM
  19. ShinraCorp's Avatar
    The way some carriers do it, that's almost guaranteed for *someone*
    Oh oh oh! Does it start with a V and ends with a n?

    It's almost guaranteed that W10 will be delayed by the carriers until either December or 2016. I mean unless they're "development team" goes all in the W10 once they receive it. Then no.


    But ya I'll be honest here, the Canadian carriers here can be a hit or miss. I remember when Rogers was one of the first carriers in the world to carry the Lumia 920 (released before the international release date) and one of the first to update to Black firmware but ever since they've been delaying the release for weeks. I think they gave up on Windows Phone and it shows since they didn't want to carry the 1520, the 930. They got the 830 but come on the last flagship any Canadian carrier carried was the 1020....which is considered old by now. I mean I'll buy the next Lumia flagship unlocked since I don't want to be tied down to a contract but holy cow one of the reasons WP is next to none existent in Canada (btw I saw a woman using a 635 on Monday at a McDonalds lol) is because no one promotes them.
    anon8959613 and xandros9 like this.
    02-24-2015 08:40 AM
  20. jasqid's Avatar
    It will be exactly as it has been now with 8.1. Oh Yes, we will be able to install Windows 10 on our phones when its released this summer/fall and get the full bits. But without a doubt I would bet there is a need for new firmware to run with Win10.... and that right there, folks, is the piece we will all be waiting for again.

    Look at all the past PFD. We had full 8.1 since April/June but didn't get Lumia firmware til 2 weeks ago. (Speaking of Verizon customers.) And there are others STILL waiting!

    Point is, those that want 10 will be able to get it but I suspect it will be incomplete because it will lack optimized firmware. That of which will arrive in 2016.
    02-24-2015 08:53 AM
  21. TechFreak1's Avatar
    It is far too early to be jumping to conclusions, MWC hasn't happened yet nor has Build.

    Some people can't wait or their patience has worn thin (wouldn't blame them).

    If no clear dates are given at either events (I highly doubt that will happen) then I wouldn't be surprised if people start speculating 2016 for phones.
    anon8959613 likes this.
    02-24-2015 09:33 AM
  22. Visa Declined's Avatar
    and walking out your'd have to deal with the consequences of when you're going to get the updates.
    and yes that option is perfect who change phones like they change underwear.

    I brought my L630 (2 weeks after it was launched) for 11000 INR which amounts to 176.5 USD. (well under my budget as of now as im currently unemployed)

    I like to buy stuff instead of renting.

    okay now that you mentioned that

    "When cell phones are your hobby or main interest, it's great being able to do that, instead of having to purchase a budget 630 with 512mb of ram."

    I don't think a hobbyist would buy a carrier locked device and walk out of the store keeping in mind that all the future updates/new features it is going to get is decided by the carrier and not by the phone manufacturer.

    Even though I own a budget L630 with 512mb ram, I can breathe freely because no one except Microsoft/Nokia decide on when I get updates to my phone.

    I can get my updates instantly when they push it out, unlike have to wait for months/years to get it on a carrier locked phone.

    I don't think "phone enthusiasts" would like to get their updates delayed.

    Oh ! I missed a point

    "A locked phone usually comes with a subscriber contract that ties the user down to this network provider for one or two years. The reason why most major carriers "lock" the phone is because they subsidize its cost to entice customers to buy them. To earn back the lost revenue, they lock the subscriber in a contract."

    Oh and talking about budget, I buy my phone according to what features I need. Sometimes going high end is not what you really need.

    FYI 'most' people buy high end phones just to show off !
    Getting a phone from a carrier is not "renting" it, and like I said before, people in the US have the same option of buying an unlocked phone that you do. For those who want a high end phone though, and don't have $700 dollars to fork over, buying from a carrier is a great option option. I personally would rather have a bleeding edge high end phone through a carrier than get stuck having to buy a cheapo phone any day.
    02-24-2015 01:27 PM
  23. TechFreak1's Avatar
    Getting a phone from a carrier is not "renting" it, and like I said before, people in the US have the same option of buying an unlocked phone that you do. For those who want a high end phone though, and don't have $700 dollars to fork over, buying from a carrier is a great option option. I personally would rather have a bleeding edge high end phone through a carrier than get stuck having to buy a cheapo phone any day.
    So you would rather be at the mercy of the carrier who may choose to EOL the bleeding edge high end phone without any justification?

    Also people in the US actually do not have the same options, it is either buy an import that may not support the relevant LTE bands for the US or buy a branded handset that may or may not be locked a carrier.
    anon8959613 likes this.
    02-24-2015 02:48 PM
  24. Visa Declined's Avatar
    Also people in the US actually do not have the same options, it is either buy an import that may not support the relevant LTE bands for the US or buy a branded handset that may or may not be locked a carrier.
    Hey, look how wrong you are: Cell Phones Listings - Expansys USA
    02-25-2015 02:55 AM
  25. anon8959613's Avatar
    Hey, look how wrong you are: Cell Phones Listings - Expansys USA
    well brother according to the evidence you pointed out ... its against what you said. You are wrong....
    unlocked phones are more popular. People dont wish to be slaves to carriers and "live on the bleeding edge"

    rrrrrrrr.jpgwwww.jpg
    TechFreak1 likes this.
    02-25-2015 03:19 AM
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