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  1. Alain_A's Avatar
    Originally Posted by Crushing Destroyer it will be the full Google Play Android Ah really, by whom??? not gonna happen. Unless you use another side loading method that I forgot the name of
    I remember now, It is called Cobalt's method by side loading the google play store to be able to buy android apps with BB
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    03-05-2015 07:28 PM
  2. SteveNoza's Avatar
    I certainty hope not! The only thing BlackBerry is doing that I'd like to see on Windows Phone is gesture based navigation so we can get rid of the bottom buttons. Yeah, I think BB10 OS is slightly ahead of WP 8.1 feature-wise, but Microsoft is getting there. In the mobile/enterprise market BlackBerry and Microsoft are kinda doing the thing, why would Microsoft pick up a financially troubled company that offers no advantage? And let's not have BlackBerry build physical keyboard phones for Microsoft as the double typing issue on the Q10 (and looking like the Passport and Classic are double typing too) proves that they don't build the wonderfully durable phones like they used to.
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    03-05-2015 07:47 PM
  3. xandros9's Avatar
    I KNEW Balloon Boy was up to something!
    Hello!
    03-05-2015 07:57 PM
  4. fatclue_98's Avatar
    And let's not have BlackBerry build physical keyboard phones for Microsoft as the double typing issue on the Q10 (and looking like the Passport and Classic are double typing too) proves that they don't build the wonderfully durable phones like they used to.
    That slider they teased looks awful sweet.
    03-05-2015 07:58 PM
  5. Alain_A's Avatar
    and looking like the Passport and Classic are double typing too
    I don't about the passport but my Classic doesn't have the double typing issue
    03-05-2015 08:20 PM
  6. SteveNoza's Avatar
    That slider they teased looks awful sweet.
    I have never been a slider fan, old school BlackBerry all the way! If my Q10 didn't double type, it would have been the ultimate BlackBerry.
    03-05-2015 08:20 PM
  7. Alain_A's Avatar
    For me, when windows 10 comes in I think it will be better than BB, business wise..
    03-05-2015 08:21 PM
  8. Crushing Destroyer's Avatar
    Not will have, they already got it by side loading snap.

    yep, when you connected with BES

    Ah really, by whom??? not gonna happen. Unless you use another side loading method that I forgot the name of

    exactly, you are not sure..In case you are it would be nice to have a source..
    I live nearby and know many people that work there. Some of which are not low level employees. Same person that gave me the release date for BBM on WP (which was accurate by the way), was the person that told me this.
    03-05-2015 08:25 PM
  9. SteveNoza's Avatar
    I don't about the passport but my Classic doesn't have the double typing issue
    Hopefully you'll stay double typing free, still too early to see how bad it is on the Classic yet.
    BlackBerry Classic 'double-typing' issue - BlackBerry Forums at CrackBerry.com
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    03-05-2015 08:32 PM
  10. Spectrum90's Avatar
    BlackBerry devices will have both BB10 and Android on them. Right now, you can switch between a work and personal mode, but soon it will be BB10 and Android modes. And from what im told, it will be the full Google Play Android, not a 3rd party store with an app launcher. So BB for work, Android for personal. When? Not sure, but this is the direction they are going.
    I think your information is credible. BlackBerry recently released the QNX hypervisor which can be used to implement exactly what you described, two full operating system running in the same hardware independently.
    I also remember a Chen's interview in which he said that BlackBerry would release a new solution so people won't need to carry two phones.

    The problem is that the user has to learn two operating systems, two email apps, two calendars, etc. BB10 and Android are very different, BB10 is operated with gestures, Android with buttons, the user would be confused of when to use gestures and when to use buttons.
    The typical solution for work/personal separation is containerization. The containerized app run isolated from the personal stuff and It can interact only with other containerized apps, but everything happens in the context of the same OS, and this is less confusing for the user. Although, I guess the QNX hypervisor system is more secure, so the solution you describe should be designed for organizations with higher security requirements, in which the trade off between productivity and security is inclined to security.

    Is the QNX hypervisor secure enough, because security depends on this piece of software. Is performance good enough?
    The alternative is to carry two phones, one for work and other for personal life, but this solution is problematic too because if the consumer side phone is hacked the microphone could be opened or the camera could be activated. The QNX hypervisor probably desactivate all the critical functions of one of the operating systems when the other one is activated.

    It definitely make sense, thanks for sharing.
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    03-05-2015 09:50 PM
  11. RJ Priest's Avatar
    I live nearby and know many people that work there. Some of which are not low level employees. Same person that gave me the release date for BBM on WP (which was accurate by the way), was the person that told me this.
    Lucky you! I also live near by and was a huge BB fan before WP8 stole my heart. My good friend worked there until he was the last man standing on his team when everyone was jumping ship or getting cut, and finally took the payout to leave rather than switch to a different department in the company. He was so tight lipped that he wouldn't even acknowledge public domain information and press releases about products or features when I wanted to talk about my thoughts regarding Blackberry.
    03-05-2015 10:59 PM
  12. SteveNoza's Avatar
    BB10 and Android are very different, BB10 is operated with gestures, Android with buttons, the user would be confused of when to use gestures and when to use buttons.
    BB 10 has dedicated gestures to replace Android button navigation (ie, a diagonal swipe for the back button) It even does the haptic vibrate thing Androids do when using it, I just about dropped the phone the first time I did it!
    03-06-2015 05:40 AM
  13. ohgood's Avatar
    a) Raised and eyebrow?

    b) When?


    c) Whether or not it would ever happen, do you think some sort of partnership would be theoretically beneficial?

    a) the theoreticals with wp and blackberry are always interesting.

    b) likely not going to happen

    c) in three years time, both blackberry and microsoft have lost marketshare to the point of irrelevance in mobile phones. the only benefit of merging/acquiring blackberry would be the overnight gain of numbers on paper. it would be much more beneficial for microsoft to focus on SOFTWARE for mobile devices, and try to pry some sales from the $1.00 - $3.99 software market, on android and iphone. it's fairly obvious that the free office suites are already well established, and there is not much of a market, if any, for subscription based office suites on mobiles, or a third player in the phone OS game.

    the biggest benefit to microsoft would be a refocus: drop the mobile phone (hardware) division, and bring the focus back to software/apps for android and ios. android and ios comprise what, >90% of the market ? it would be much easier to sell to 90% than to try and BECOME the 90%.
    03-06-2015 06:30 AM
  14. anon(6038817)'s Avatar
    the biggest benefit to microsoft would be a refocus: drop the mobile phone (hardware) division, and bring the focus back to software/apps for android and ios. android and ios comprise what, >90% of the market ? it would be much easier to sell to 90% than to try and BECOME the 90%.

    That's the strategy BlackBerry has taken. They are developing software for all major platforms, including Windows. As long as they can make their own phone business profitable, which they are doing, having a huge chunk of market share doesn't matter.
    03-06-2015 08:17 AM
  15. kg4icg's Avatar
    BlackBerry has already partnered with Samsung to help out with their flawed Knox security system. I'm guessing it's a two way street and a real possibility of seeing Samsungs with BB OS10 onboard. It's no secret that Samsung is looking for avenues that don't include Google (Tizen, Samsung Pay).

    As for a buyout, I doubt it since Fairfax Holdings nixed buyout overtures from Samsung already. My guess is they'll keep a limited presence in the consumer fold (one million BBM downloads on Google Play Store so far) and hammer the Enterprise sector to recapture their mojo from a bygone era.
    Also if you saw MWC and the brief view of that new BlackBerry slider, it was a Samsung display on that 5 inch phone with a slide out keyboard. Microsoft and BlackBerry work hand in hand on a lot of things especially when it comes to enterprise activities. They did just signed a new multi year agreement last year. BlackBerry isn't dying off anytime soon, nor is Microsoft. Everyone falls for the iPhone/Android hype and look at the well Android is using a octo-core soc, well they need it to keep the OS running smoothly because Android especially lollipop is so bloated these days it is slowing itself down.
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    03-06-2015 08:29 AM
  16. kg4icg's Avatar
    I certainty hope not! The only thing BlackBerry is doing that I'd like to see on Windows Phone is gesture based navigation so we can get rid of the bottom buttons. Yeah, I think BB10 OS is slightly ahead of WP 8.1 feature-wise, but Microsoft is getting there. In the mobile/enterprise market BlackBerry and Microsoft are kinda doing the thing, why would Microsoft pick up a financially troubled company that offers no advantage? And let's not have BlackBerry build physical keyboard phones for Microsoft as the double typing issue on the Q10 (and looking like the Passport and Classic are double typing too) proves that they don't build the wonderfully durable phones like they used to.
    I don't have the double typing problem on my more than 1 year old Q10, sometimes, I think it is what some people are doing. I love the hub features of BB10, not even iOS and Android can compare, and as for apps, no big deal. I can use the web browser. I do have a Samsung Ativ S Neo with 8.1 on it too that I use for a back up just in case. By the way if you think a company that still has $3 billion in cash and virtually no debt is financially troubled.
    03-06-2015 08:41 AM
  17. rhapdog's Avatar
    Thought I'd put in my 2 cents here.

    While I agree with a lot of people here on why Microsoft should NOT buy out Blackberry, there is only one reason to think of why they may want to consider it. That is, to own the patents. They don't need or want to have Blackberry phones, however, the patents Blackberry owns may be valuable and helpful to Microsoft. If they did this, that is, bought them for the sole purpose of patents, then Blackberry would be pretty much instantly killed off. I really can't see that happening, as it just isn't Microsoft's MO lately of trying to help and assist other companies as opposed to killing them and taking their stuff. Sure, they bought Nokia's phone division with all the patents, but didn't kill it off. They bought it to save it and to make use of it. If Microsoft wouldn't be able to make use of it in a big way, then there is no reason to buy Blackberry.

    However, Blackberry may be doomed in the coming years anyway with Microsoft's Windows 10 possibly taking over the Enterprise sector. That would be cool. Not cool for Blackberry being doomed, but cool if MS takes over the enterprise mobile sector.
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    03-06-2015 09:58 AM
  18. SteveNoza's Avatar
    I don't have the double typing problem on my more than 1 year old Q10, sometimes, I think it is what some people are doing. I love the hub features of BB10, not even iOS and Android can compare, and as for apps, no big deal. I can use the web browser. I do have a Samsung Ativ S Neo with 8.1 on it too that I use for a back up just in case. By the way if you think a company that still has $3 billion in cash and virtually no debt is financially troubled.
    I agree BlackBerry hasn't been driven off the cliff yet, but they are losing customers and market share and you can only stay breathing so long on cash and stock investments.
    As far as the double-typing issue, people on the Crackberry forums figured out it is caused by the metal discs in the membrane under the keyboard moving out of place, it is not user error. Admittedly, I am hard on phones, but all my prior BlackBerrys have had no problem, in fact my 7290 was still working perfectly when I gave it away a few years ago, close to a decade! BlackBerry has not even admitted there is a problem, much less deal with it. Does Microsoft want a company that operates like this? I know I don't, that's why I'm with Window Phone.
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    03-06-2015 11:08 AM
  19. Blade800's Avatar
    You say that like its a bad thing.
    It is if we are talking about SMARTphones. What smart things can you do with 3 inch display? Lose your eyesight? Call and text period.

    I am not a fan of big displays either, I am owner of Lumia 925 and I am capable of having max 5 inch display but get over it, smartphones needs big displays.
    03-06-2015 11:38 AM
  20. fatclue_98's Avatar
    It is if we are talking about SMARTphones. What smart things can you do with 3 inch display? Lose your eyesight? Call and text period.

    I am not a fan of big displays either, I am owner of Lumia 925 and I am capable of having max 5 inch display but get over it, smartphones needs big displays.
    How much screen do you have left when the virtual keyboard is active? Ever try doing an Excel project in landscape without a physical keyboard? Smartphone doesn't mean watching YouTube or playing games.


    Sent from my iPad Mini 3 using Tapatalk because it amuses me. Gotta problem with that?
    03-06-2015 11:45 AM
  21. snowmutt's Avatar
    That slider they teased looks awful sweet.
    Sweet mother, yes it did, I have played around with the Passport about a dozen times at AT&T stores, and I love the gesture based OS. throw the portrait slider form factor at me, and I am getting weak in the knees....

    I do not want to cheat on my Windows phones, but she is so darned tempting. If AT&T picks it up, I am in fear of my failure of will power.
    03-06-2015 11:49 AM
  22. SteveNoza's Avatar
    It is if we are talking about SMARTphones. What smart things can you do with 3 inch display? Lose your eyesight? Call and text period.

    I am not a fan of big displays either, I am owner of Lumia 925 and I am capable of having max 5 inch display but get over it, smartphones needs big displays.
    BlackBerry does have great full touch phones, the Z10 & Z30 that have great predictive keyboards. They are perfect to convert physical keyboard die hards (like me) to full touch. Unfortunately, both are getting long in the tooth, and have issues. BlackBerry desperately needs to release a flagship full touch phone.
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    03-06-2015 11:51 AM
  23. xandros9's Avatar
    It is if we are talking about SMARTphones. What smart things can you do with 3 inch display? Lose your eyesight? Call and text period.

    I am not a fan of big displays either, I am owner of Lumia 925 and I am capable of having max 5 inch display but get over it, smartphones needs big displays.
    I remember doing plenty of things on a 3.1" Palm Pre 2 (only complaint was landscape PDFs, but that reflected more on the resolution than size), a 3.5" iPod touch, a 2.7" Palm Treo, a 3.2" HTC Aria/Intruder when I had those devices. (albeit sometime after the fact, I never really was on the edge of current tech)
    Never seriously used ones, but Blackberries were king once.

    I never used one beyond a store demo, but hey, many people got by on the 2.6" HP Veer. (I heard it was smartphone enough for Jon Rubenstein.)

    I realize it might not be ideal, video watching is going to be a pain, but its being pretty neglected.
    03-06-2015 11:58 AM
  24. snowmutt's Avatar
    Honestly, love me some BB. Always have. But I see the direction they are moving, and if Mr. Chen has his way (which there is no reason to think he won't), this will be a services company. They will release phones simply because with them not manufacturing them much anymore, it is cost effective so long as enterprise users and government agencies are interested.

    But I had to use a Note for a while as a backup device, and I am so over the Google experience. Forget the app gap- there is one. I just think the apps run poorly on Android. I think the phones- even the high end ones- end up laggy. If I had to leave Windows, I would put Android at the bottom of my list. That BB is depending on Google Play services which require a GMail account and often Google+ accounts which in turn have pushing advertising to you whether you want it or not an art form, makes me worry about BB devices. It makes sense from a business sense, as does using the Amazon services. Just may be enough to keep me from actually buying a BB.

    Have I mentioned my opinion on that portrait slider idea yet??

    *shudders in excitement*
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    03-06-2015 11:59 AM
  25. anon(6038817)'s Avatar
    I agree BlackBerry hasn't been driven off the cliff yet, but they are losing customers and market share and you can only stay breathing so long on cash and stock investments.
    BlackBerry does a lot more than make phones. They've turned the company around with their software and services and in their last shareholder meeting announced that they were cash flow neutral ahead of schedule. They're not making money on their phones. Even if they stopped making phones tomorrow they would be alright, thanks to QNX, BES12, etc.

    Many people don't realize they've improved substantially from their condition a year ago.
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    03-06-2015 05:48 PM
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