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  1. DaveGx's Avatar
    'Damn point', really? This is not cancer, this is not job insecurity, this is software, folks need to chill - badly.

    The reality is that Microsoft has invited us into their early process, which means that it may not be on every phone or it may be slower, because this is early on and unpredictable. Everyone throwing hissy fits like the world is ending is not helping. If the early process is causing you this much stress, I would step out of it and be so thankful that your life is so good just now that such a small thing is causi you this much anger.

    I think it's way past time for people to get a bit of perspective.
    You constant defender's should get some perspective. Rightfully complaining or getting annoyed with this process is not a hissy fit. Just because some of us dont blindly agree with or accept how MS does everything does not mean were throwing hissy fits. But hey, good for you for being MS's number one defender and bashing anyone that doesn't follow suite.
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    03-27-2015 09:27 AM
  2. a5cent's Avatar
    Lol. Sure. A small group got access to an Alpha build and then absolutely nothing else comes out to them or others going on how long now? Why release at all and not have updates to more phones and updates to showcase progress every couple weeks at least? What's the damn point of the preview in the first place to have it okay out like it has so far, with one alpha build forever ago?
    They got a lot of feedback on what the WP community thinks about navigation on W10M for one.

    If that's the case, then wow. I just think they really don't know what they're doing and don't plan things out very well. If its because they can't get it working right on newer, better devices, then that's a horrible sign of how things are going.
    I think MS was pretty clear in their explanation why they couldn't provide the TP to all devices. Based on the community's temper tantrum, we left MS no choice but to get the repartitioning solution up and running before releasing the next TP, so as to prevent the WP community from committing rage inspired mass suicide. MS said that such issues are usually dealt with at the end of the development cycle, whereas we're forcing them to get it done much earlier.

    In that sense, yes, the community is causing them quite a bit of overhead, in getting the TP to more devices (has nothing to do with newer/better devices as you've interpreted it). There is nothing wrong with that. It's just us seeing more of how the sausage is made. Things that consumers rarely see, and apparently not everyone is equipped to handle.

    Rightfully complaining or getting annoyed with this process is not a hissy fit. Just because some of us don't blindly agree with or accept how MS does everything does not mean were throwing hissy fits. But hey, good for you for being MS's number one defender and bashing anyone that doesn't follow suite.
    Just because some of us don't blindly jump on the rage train doesn't mean we're constant defenders either. Almost nobody has the knowledge or technical credentials to judge whether the process, as it is being executed, is reasonable or not. Consumers are extremely ignorant when it comes to software. Everyone thinks they are experts, which in almost all cases couldn't be further from the truth.

    I think there are plenty of areas where MS deserves to be criticized. This isn't one of them.
    Last edited by a5cent; 03-27-2015 at 02:53 PM. Reason: spelling
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    03-27-2015 09:31 AM
  3. Wbutchart1's Avatar
    You constant defender's should get some perspective. Rightfully complaining or getting annoyed with this process is not a hissy fit. Just because some of us dont blindly agree with or accept how MS does everything does not mean were throwing hissy fits. But hey, good for you for being MS's number one defender and bashing anyone that doesn't follow suite.
    Wow, ok, on that perhaps it's not worth appealing to reason here.
    03-27-2015 09:41 AM
  4. Praxius's Avatar
    If that's the case, then wow. I just think they really don't know what they're doing and don't plan things out very well. If its because they can't get it working right on newer, better devices, then that's a horrible sign of how things are going.
    Yes a multi billion dollar company that has been around since before most of the people in here were even born, who already have years of experience working on the most used Operating System around the world, who have been making mobile OS's for a number of years now, who have been creating and supporting programs and apps people all over the word use every day on multiple platforms, who have one of the most popular gaming consoles in recent years and who also have bought out Nokia and have even more experience in the mobile market now than they ever did before.....

    .... Simply don't know what they're doing.

    Everybody who decides to make something new, whether that be a movie, song, game,vehicle, program, airplane, whatever.... Will always run into a number of snags here and there regardless of experience. The difference is that most of the public is not aware of any of this happening because it's all usually done behind closed doors and we know nothing about the process or their problems.

    You make it sound like Microsoft has never made an Operating System before. Like they never dabbled in programming before and have never attempted to design code or programs from virtually square one before.

    Hiccups occurring during Alpha and Beta Stages of development??

    Delays???

    Frigging amateurs they are.... Cripes.
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    03-27-2015 09:43 AM
  5. andyqkw's Avatar
    This really is no way to handle a "fast" roll-out cycle of a technical preview. 6 weeks with absolutely no updates is an eternity. At this rate, when is W10 going to be released? If a much smaller company like Cyanogen can release a solid build daily, why can't Microsoft even come close to that?

    What's funny is that like a month ago, Gabe Aul said when commenting on release date something like, "Since we don't know when this will be ready, we can give you a date like March 26th to be on the safe side and meet it comfortably." Well, that was yesterday. I'd be embarrassed.

    I hope this update is feature-complete when it finally hits, meaning Spartan (or whatever the browser ends up being called) is on it and so are the updated Outlook, People, Mail apps. The Windows Insider experience will be even more disappointing otherwise.
    And I Quote:


    What Harrie-S would say,

    So what is your point.
    That you get noting to play with?
    The W10 preview is no toy , it's a serious attempt to create something


    What xandros9 would say,

    1. Under no way is this a beta test. It is an alpha at best.

    2. You think this is how its going to be, just on these phones and voila! it works everywhere for the public release?

    They've said they're goal is ROUGHLY MONTHLY releases.
    ALSO, Mr. Aul stated that development starts on a small subset of devices so as to reduce instability caused by different hardware so 10 can be properly stabilized. THEN it can go to more hardware.
    It's a normal part of the SW development process, at least at MS.
    Would you prefer they keep a lid on things until its at beta or RTM like it has before?


    What I Say

    What is the point of having this Insider Technical Preview when Microsoft is keeping everything from us, we are here to help test, find bugs and submit feedback to them, not sit here waiting.
    03-27-2015 09:49 AM
  6. Pie ty's Avatar
    All what we want is just a statement! Some words from Microsoft how it goes on.

    "When itdone" is simply not enough. ....
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    03-27-2015 10:30 AM
  7. Harrie-S's Avatar
    All what we want is just a statement! Some words from Microsoft how it goes on.

    "When itdone" is simply not enough. ....
    That I can understand but we are not Microsoft so nobody here can give you these words.
    03-27-2015 10:33 AM
  8. Pie ty's Avatar
    Youre right, so i hope MS reads somehow and get the message. :)
    Harrie-S likes this.
    03-27-2015 10:37 AM
  9. Pete's Avatar
    All what we want is just a statement! Some words from Microsoft how it goes on.

    "When itdone" is simply not enough. ....
    Microsoft don't owe you anything when it comes to the Technical Preview. They're releasing functionality when they decide that they want you to see it and not before.

    No guarantees, no promises.

    The fact that Gabe is being swamped by demands like this is probably a good pointer towards why he's not responding. I gave up shouting "Are we there yet?" when I was a kid....
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    03-27-2015 10:39 AM
  10. Harrie-S's Avatar



    What I Say

    What is the point of having this Insider Technical Preview when Microsoft is keeping everything from us, we are here to help test, find bugs and submit feedback to them, not sit here waiting.
    I really appreciate that you want to help but finding bugs and submit a feedback is much quicker done then collecting feedback, prioritize them and solve them.
    Finding bugs, testing and giving feedback on your phone can be done in a few hours or maybe a day or 2. So even if there is a faster release of updates there always will be a lot of sitting around and waiting for the next update. (Even if there was every 2 weeks an update)
    03-27-2015 10:45 AM
  11. razor1973's Avatar
    Frequency and predictability of builds for Windows Insiders
    (March 9th, 2015)

    "Today is 3/9 and we want to ensure we get a build out in March. If we communicated a target date, to be sure we could meet our commitment we’d likely pick a date like 3/26. It gives us time to stabilize and it’s on a Thursday (we usually like to avoid Mondays and Fridays.)"

    That to me is somewhat embarrassing. It's Gabe Aul that said this. Not rumors. Not assumptions.

    Nobody is hating on MS. If anyone here hated MS... well, they wouldn't be here. This is where people (who love MS and MS products) come to discuss all things W10TP for phones. That would include release dates for future builds.
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    03-27-2015 10:46 AM
  12. Pete's Avatar
    And it's not a guarantee either, or a commitment.
    03-27-2015 10:51 AM
  13. razor1973's Avatar
    And it's not a guarantee either, or a commitment.
    We're all aware of that. People would be talking to their Lawyers and not posting in a forum if that wasn't the case. Again, I see nothing abnormal about people claiming MS is slacking on the Windows Insider program. In fact, they've kind of hinted at this themselves by saying they'll pick up the pace with the Fast ring.
    03-27-2015 11:04 AM
  14. andyqkw's Avatar
    I really appreciate that you want to help but finding bugs and submit a feedback is much quicker done then collecting feedback, prioritize them and solve them.
    Finding bugs, testing and giving feedback on your phone can be done in a few hours or maybe a day or 2. So even if there is a faster release of updates there always will be a lot of sitting around and waiting for the next update. (Even if there was every 2 weeks an update)
    We can get things done faster with the tens of thousands of Insiders as compared to their own hundred of Internal staffs/testers.
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    03-27-2015 11:16 AM
  15. amit gatte's Avatar
    I am now on windows phone 8.1, whenever the next build comes of windows 10 for phones, will I get the older build first and then again download the new build and install it or I am gonna get the new build directly and install it in first time?.
    03-27-2015 12:20 PM
  16. razor1973's Avatar
    I am now on windows phone 8.1, whenever the next build comes of windows 10 for phones, will I get the older build first and then again download the new build and install it or I am gonna get the new build directly and install it in first time?.
    Once you sign up with the Windows Insider program, you will get whatever built is the latest at that time when you check for updates.
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    03-27-2015 12:53 PM
  17. a5cent's Avatar
    Frequency and predictability of builds for Windows Insiders
    (March 9th, 2015)

    "Today is 3/9 and we want to ensure we get a build out in March. If we communicated a target date, to be sure we could meet our commitment we’d likely pick a date like 3/26. It gives us time to stabilize and it’s on a Thursday (we usually like to avoid Mondays and Fridays.)"

    That to me is somewhat embarrassing. It's Gabe Aul that said this. Not rumors. Not assumptions.
    TBH, I understand you completely. This is what MS gets for giving both OSes the same (or at least a very similar) name, thereby making it very difficult for many people to differentiate between the two, but also for MS to be clear about what they're talking about. It really shouldn't be embarrassing. MS released the new W10 TP before that stated deadline.

    Fact is that what you quoted is in reference to W10. That has absolutely nothing to do with the insider program for W10M.
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    03-27-2015 01:29 PM
  18. razor1973's Avatar
    TBH, I understand you completely. This is what MS gets for giving both OSes the same (or at least a very similar) name, thereby making it very difficult for many people to differentiate between the two, but also for MS to be clear about what they're talking about. It really shouldn't be embarrassing. MS released the new W10 TP before that stated deadline.

    Fact is that what you quoted is in reference to W10. That has absolutely nothing to do with the insider program for W10M.
    I couldn't agree more. The day they announced it would all have the same name, I thought it was a terrible idea. This is an example of that idea backfiring. Yes, in retrospect, it was obvious they were obviously referring to the desptop/tablet version only. That day, however, this wasn't nearly as obvious. Those with a Mac at home and a Windows Phone device (it could happen!) are reading this article with the same anticipation as that person with a Windows desktop and a Dell Venue Pro tablet. They shouldn't.
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    03-27-2015 02:00 PM
  19. a5cent's Avatar
    I couldn't agree more. The day they announced it would all have the same name, I thought it was a terrible idea. This is an example of that idea backfiring. Yes, in retrospect, it was obvious they were obviously referring to the desptop/tablet version only. That day, however, this wasn't nearly as obvious. Those with a Mac at home and a Windows Phone device (it could happen!) are reading this article with the same anticipation as that person with a Windows desktop and a Dell Venue Pro tablet. They shouldn't.
    Yup. I've been beating that same drum here on WCentral ever since that day too. The first few months I did nothing but explain/justify why these aren't actually the same OS. Now that MS has admitted as much things are better, but still, just like you said it's still far from optimal :-/

    You need to be really careful and aware of the differences when reading these blog posts, and even then, sometimes you just can't know...
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    03-27-2015 02:04 PM
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