04-14-2015 04:13 PM
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  1. psiu_glen's Avatar
    That's a big assumption to make. And not true for everyone. To break it down further:
    1) Not needed in most other territories
    ​2) Never received a Bluetooth file. Don't know anyone that has. Feature request is irrelevant.
    ​3) See 2.
    4) Possibly.
    ​5) Can't see that happening.
    6) Not found a Bluetooth headset yet that doesn't work with Windows Phone.
    7) Illegal in a lot of places. Hence not readily implemented. If you need to record a call, I'd question if a voice call is the best communication method in that context.
    8) Well that'd be down to the social networking apps. And their lawyers.
    9) See 8.


    I'm not rubbishing your points. Just demonstrating that what's "critical" to one user is completely irrelevant to another.
    Part of the response though is because we don't have the option - can't use and won't dwell on it is the best route then, but tech should be pushing forward.

    Example regarding the NFC stuff: I have one of the DT910 chargers, but without being able to have a trusted device option, they are not "tap & charge". Same with payments, you would want the simplest/quickest validation possible.

    I use NFC and/or BT to transfer between my 520/928/929 pretty often. Simple thing, but quite nice.

    (Side note: was over on iMore, and they were discussing iOS8 after 6 months - evidently they just got the whole easy "sharing to" idea on iOS? It's so natural and fluid on WP. Actually I had some photos on my old Trophy and was stumped when I couldn't share via BT. :P )

    It's quite depressing, honestly, how far back in many ways WP is after all this time - and instead of standing firm on one of the things that set them apart and they did right (UI/UX) while filling in features, they continue to backpedal on the former and tread water on the second. :/
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    04-04-2015 01:04 PM
  2. psiu_glen's Avatar
    Just in a general sense....I'm always curious about BT file xfer/sharing.

    What does it enable that a cloud sharing service doesn't?

    Is it bandwidth restrictions dictating a direct Xfer?

    Personally, I have always been leary of any 3rd part direct access, explicit permission granted or not.
    I transfer between my own phones :P

    Icon - active on Verizon, unlimited data whoowhooo
    928 - active with GoPhone, no data plan
    520 - WiFi only

    As a practical matter, it's not like I'm using the 520 for pictures. But I use the 928 a LOT. I can just tap it to my Icon to get a pic over for editing or just to have on that phone.
    04-04-2015 01:08 PM
  3. King Nickles Saintil's Avatar
    I transfer between my own phones :P

    Icon - active on Verizon, unlimited data whoowhooo
    928 - active with GoPhone, no data plan
    520 - WiFi only

    As a practical matter, it's not like I'm using the 520 for pictures. But I use the 928 a LOT. I can just tap it to my Icon to get a pic over for editing or just to have on that phone.
    What gets to me is that a simple feature like BT is awesome and everyone that I know has used it and more than likely will use it share something whether its between others or with their phone, computer or other device and yet some people say its not relevant. To your life, maybe not but it'd be digging WP own grave not to expand and improve on this feature. Just wow. We already take hits from reviewers and users not supporting other features and then finally getting them 2 years later down the road. This cycle needs to stop. Seriously.
    I want WP to improve and welcome features like this. And our BT needs work as it doesn't support a handful of BT devices that both Android and IOS does. Just look in the forums and you'll see.
    Like I said, just because I don't use it doesn't mean it wouldn't benefit the platform overall. There numerous features that I don't use that we have such as double tap to wake and hey Cortana, i would never vote against them being on the platform. They are handy to a handful of others so why not ? Once its well tailored and implemented.
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    04-04-2015 01:14 PM
  4. dkediger's Avatar
    Why waste time using a cloud service when you can directly share something with a friend right then and there in the moment. For examples, sensing pictures and songs. Instead I uploading to the cloud and waiting for it to be uploaded and then thee person having to go online and download them, Bluetooth is simple.
    No need for internet access, waiting for it to be uploaded so you can download. Its right then and there. Me and my friends do it a lot especially if we go out and take photos and want to receive then quick and easy at their original quality to basically any phone that supports BT.
    That's fine, I can understand that. I just personally don't/haven't operated that urgently....
    04-04-2015 01:18 PM
  5. King Nickles Saintil's Avatar
    That's fine, I can understand that. I just personally don't/haven't operated that urgently....
    Completely Understood. There are things which I don't use either but I try my best not to pass my judgement on not needing it when I can see its usefulness. Especially if it helps grow our platform. Usb OTG ? Probably won't use It but would I say we don't need it in windows 10 ? Nope. I can see its purpose.
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    04-04-2015 01:21 PM
  6. psiu_glen's Avatar
    What gets to me is that a simple feature like BT is awesome and everyone that I know has used it and more than likely will use it share something whether its between others or with their phone, computer or other device and yet some people say its not relevant. To your life, maybe not but it'd be digging WP own grave not to expand and improve on this feature. Just wow. We already take hits from reviewers and users not supporting other features and then finally getting them 2 years later down the road. This cycle needs to stop. Seriously.
    I want WP to improve and welcome features like this. And our BT needs work as it doesn't support a handful of BT devices that both Android and IOS does. Just look in the forums and you'll see.
    Like I said, just because I don't use it doesn't mean it wouldn't benefit the platform overall. There numerous features that I don't use that we have such as double tap to wake and hey Cortana, i would never vote against them being on the platform. They are handy to a handful of others so why not ? Once its well tailored and implemented.
    wat?

    You realize I was agreeing with you and giving examples of using this technology?

    Also, not going to quote yet another post, but between BT device support, USB (whatever the stuff is) support, I would love to do that sort of thing.

    Have my phone (Icon or whatever) basically be powerful and usable enough to be bomb diggity for me? Oh hell yeah.

    Sure, I would probably keep a game pc or console or something around, but day to day..
    04-04-2015 01:28 PM
  7. King Nickles Saintil's Avatar
    wat?

    You realize I was agreeing with you and giving examples of using this technology?

    Also, not going to quote yet another post, but between BT device support, USB (whatever the stuff is) support, I would love to do that sort of thing.

    Have my phone (Icon or whatever) basically be powerful and usable enough to be bomb diggity for me? Oh hell yeah.

    Sure, I would probably keep a game pc or console or something around, but day to day..
    Lol i know that you were. I quoted you to highlight that I agreed with what you said. Sorry if it came out as if I was targeting you with my post haha.
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    04-04-2015 01:30 PM
  8. psiu_glen's Avatar
    Lol i know that you were. I quoted you to highlight that I agreed with what you said. Sorry if it came out as if I was targeting you with my post haha.
    Okay, I wasn't sure heh. I totally agree - build up the features and bring on the users!
    04-04-2015 02:12 PM
  9. Julius Velasco's Avatar
    OTG please. Im using Lumia 930 which has NO sd card. And please add Print function. In my android device I and print anytime but in Lumia how?
    04-04-2015 02:30 PM
  10. vish2801's Avatar
    Well I am guessing Microsoft has the exact same attitude, that's why Windows Phone will always be stuck at 3% market share because Microsoft doesn't understand emerging markets.

    Even symbian used to have most of the features mentioned by the OP. That's one of the reasons so many people in developing countries had such a high regard for Nokia, they didn't put features that were required only in their home country.
    I would rather like MS adding all the features in WP and have a good market share, what I would like the most is these so called this feature is irrelevant calling people (3%) leave the platform because of so many features are confusing them.
    When I opened several threads regarding lack of file manager in WP during WP 8.0 era, these same people liking 2nd post told me that this feature would never come to WP & NOBODY used it & if I want that feature badly, I should get an Android, I did same & now we have official file manager "Files" from MS :D. These people are apologetic but MS listens and that matters most.
    04-04-2015 04:16 PM
  11. illidanx's Avatar
    Well I am guessing Microsoft has the exact same attitude, that's why Windows Phone will always be stuck at 3% market share because Microsoft doesn't understand emerging markets.

    Even symbian used to have most of the features mentioned by the OP. That's one of the reasons so many people in developing countries had such a high regard for Nokia, they didn't put features that were required only in their home country.
    I wholeheartedly agree with this. I had high hope for MS 2 years ago but now I am afraid windows phones are not going anywhere with their altitude and mindset.
    04-04-2015 04:42 PM
  12. vish2801's Avatar
    I wholeheartedly agree with this. I had high hope for MS 2 years ago but now I am afraid windows phones are not going anywhere with their altitude and mindset.
    I have been following WP news, too. My father owns Lumia 520 & my experience regarding WP is MS listens to users. I'm quit sure they're serious about phone business (not hardware), they're unifying Windows is what the best move I've seen by them.
    04-04-2015 10:33 PM
  13. StevoPhilo's Avatar
    There is no need to be defensive. I would welcome these features, but I still wouldn't use 90% of them. I've done Bluetooth file transfer and it's painfully slow. So I could only imagine multiple file transfers.... Which is why I use cloud storage instead. The same could be said with email attachments.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    04-04-2015 10:52 PM
  14. lovenokia's Avatar
    That's a big assumption to make. And not true for everyone. To break it down further:
    1) Not needed in most other territories
    ​2) Never received a Bluetooth file. Don't know anyone that has. Feature request is irrelevant.
    ​3) See 2.
    4) Possibly.
    ​5) Can't see that happening.
    6) Not found a Bluetooth headset yet that doesn't work with Windows Phone.
    7) Illegal in a lot of places. Hence not readily implemented. If you need to record a call, I'd question if a voice call is the best communication method in that context.
    8) Well that'd be down to the social networking apps. And their lawyers.
    9) See 8.


    I'm not rubbishing your points. Just demonstrating that what's "critical" to one user is completely irrelevant to another.
    2.) Your being very inconsiderate to neglect a very important feature. The fact is that windows phone is currently lacking the feature, and he is making it heard. From what MS has announced from win10 for phones there is LOTS of hope and I think it'll have most features to satisfy my poweruser needs.

    All of the features should be there that OP is requesting, one can never say no to more features, we aren't in ios forums.
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    04-04-2015 11:28 PM
  15. lovenokia's Avatar
    I wholeheartedly agree with this. I had high hope for MS 2 years ago but now I am afraid windows phones are not going anywhere with their altitude and mindset.
    I have to agree with you being a windows phone user from November of 2010. Windows 10 is giving me hope, but I think it will take lots of sales on all fronts of the MS ecosystem to finally get some apps to the windows platform. My guess is that 3 years after the release of windows 10, hopefully there will be 500 million devices all running win 10 and then, maybe developers will take a look at developing for windows 10.
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    04-04-2015 11:31 PM
  16. tushardhingra's Avatar
    (for those who are saying they are not concerned, it even concerns you indirectly)

    Here is the short story...People do not buy wp because of lack of apps...but some just went to try wp...found even basic features missing...market share remain constant due to new people trying wp and some old switching back to android/ios due to lack of a basic feature that they were used to...sale stores do not stock wp and defend themselves by saying wp is crap...potential customers are lost...developers do not support wp due to lack of users...users further don't go for wp due to lack of apps and features...vicious circle continues and wp dies a natural death...people stuck with laggy droid.

    "If you do not use any of the features as infrastructure in your country is very well developed doesn't mean that people in the rest of the WORLD do not need them"
    04-05-2015 02:35 AM
  17. nabeel Madcon's Avatar
    Yaaa I like it....
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    04-05-2015 02:51 AM
  18. tushardhingra's Avatar
    Adding to my defense :p ...just name a feature which is not required by you and I am gonna tell why It's a very big deal for people in other regions and user type.

    For example...forwarding an email with attachment. Someone in the thread said that it is no big deal. Ok let's see this real situation... You are in the corporate world (or even in general sense)... you received an email with an attachment of around 25MB and want to forward it to a subordinate to go through it. You have a wp sadly and belong to a less developed country...now what you need to forward the mail is first wait until the whole 25MB file is downoaded to your phone...and then you forward the mail...now wp again creates a new mail and attaches the whole 25MB file to it and then send the mail. You just end up using 50 MB of internet and the precious time for just forwarding an e-mail which should otherwise not needed more than 30 secs. on an android device. Now that's a big deal for a large population using emails very frequently !!!
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    04-05-2015 02:53 AM
  19. D M C's Avatar
    I just want a download manager.(like in Android)
    04-05-2015 03:02 AM
  20. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    (for those who are saying they are not concerned, it even concerns you indirectly)

    Here is the short story...People do not buy wp because of lack of apps...but some just went to try wp...found even basic features missing...market share remain constant due to new people trying wp and some old switching back to android/ios due to lack of a basic feature that they were used to...sale stores do not stock wp and defend themselves by saying wp is crap...potential customers are lost...developers do not support wp due to lack of users...users further don't go for wp due to lack of apps and features...vicious circle continues and wp dies a natural death...people stuck with laggy droid.

    "If you do not use any of the features as infrastructure in your country is very well developed doesn't mean that people in the rest of the WORLD do not need them"
    I think the main issue here is that for many of us in the US, many of those features are antiquated. We might have used them 10 years ago, but we don't have a need for them now.

    I have an Android device, but I have no use for Bluetooth file transfer or 3G/4G/LTE toggle. I've had LTE everywhere since 2012. Bluetooth file transfer is slow as molasses, compared to uploading/downloading from the cloud via my home broadband network.

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    04-05-2015 03:07 AM
  21. tushardhingra's Avatar
    I think the main issue here is that for many of us in the US, many of those features are antiquated. We might have used them 10 years ago, but we don't have a need for them now.

    I have an Android device, but I have no use for Bluetooth file transfer or 3G/4G/LTE toggle. I've had LTE everywhere since 2012. Bluetooth file transfer is slow as molasses, compared to uploading/downloading from the cloud via my home broadband network.

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    Exactly my point...What about other countries where we do not even have LTE yet...even 3G networks are not stable. The platform has to work everywhere. :)
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    04-05-2015 03:31 AM
  22. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Exactly my point...What about other countries where we do not even have LTE yet...even 3G networks are not stable. The platform has to work everywhere. :)
    That's probably a difficult balance to achieve. If a feature that is popular in some countries but not available, the residents of that country might not buy the device. However, if a feature is present that Americans consider antiquated, they might not buy that device because they consider it old-fashioned.

    Perhaps, devices need to have those features, but only in certain countries and not in the US.
    prasath1234 likes this.
    04-05-2015 03:38 AM
  23. Lee Power's Avatar
    Maybe Microsoft could just add all the features requested on page 1 in to the operating & people who don't want to use them just leave each feature switched off.
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    04-05-2015 03:57 AM
  24. Dhiren Chavda's Avatar
    Adding to my defense :p ...just name a feature which is not required by you and I am gonna tell why It's a very big deal for people in other regions and user type.

    For example...forwarding an email with attachment. Someone in the thread said that it is no big deal. Ok let's see this real situation... You are in the corporate world (or even in general sense)... you received an email with an attachment of around 25MB and want to forward it to a subordinate to go through it. You have a wp sadly and belong to a less developed country...now what you need to forward the mail is first wait until the whole 25MB file is downoaded to your phone...and then you forward the mail...now wp again creates a new mail and attaches the whole 25MB file to it and then send the mail. You just end up using 50 MB of internet and the precious time for just forwarding an e-mail which should otherwise not needed more than 30 secs. on an android device. Now that's a big deal for a large population using emails very frequently !!!
    04-05-2015 04:26 AM
  25. hotphil's Avatar
    Maybe Microsoft could just add all the features requested on page 1 in to the operating & people who don't want to use them just leave each feature switched off.
    But then you're into having pages and pages and pages of Settings that not everyone wants. UI/X design is a balance.
    Personally, I don't need a page of settings for BT (or, to take it even further, IR) file transfer. I may have used IR 10+ years ago, but not anymore.
    04-05-2015 05:51 AM
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