04-14-2015 03:13 PM
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  1. PratikMade's Avatar
    But then you're into having pages and pages and pages of Settings that not everyone wants. UI/X design is a balance.
    Personally, I don't need a page of settings for BT (or, to take it even further, IR) file transfer. I may have used IR 10+ years ago, but not anymore.
    But still you can use that IR for remote apps.
    04-05-2015 05:21 AM
  2. hotphil's Avatar
    It's probably too much detail, but all my AV, home automation, CCTV etc have IP controls - no need for IR with modern kit.
    04-05-2015 05:22 AM
  3. psiu_glen's Avatar
    There is no need to be defensive. I would welcome these features, but I still wouldn't use 90% of them. I've done Bluetooth file transfer and it's painfully slow. So I could only imagine multiple file transfers.... Which is why I use cloud storage instead. The same could be said with email attachments.
    I use the BT & NFC file transfer between phones, and while it's not instant, it's definitely faster than uploading, then waiting for the cloud service to digest everything, then downloading (and hoping quality remained constant).
    04-05-2015 07:09 AM
  4. psiu_glen's Avatar
    It's probably too much detail, but all my AV, home automation, CCTV etc have IP controls - no need for IR with modern kit.
    Cool, I'll go chuck my TV out with the garbage this week because it doesn't have IP control - wait...

    I would love IR control, then I could flick the TV on and then switch right to the Roku remote.

    Might not need that anyMote Kickstarter I backed anymore with IR on a device.
    04-05-2015 07:17 AM
  5. psiu_glen's Avatar
    Also, considering India has more than a sixth of the people in the world, I think they get a voice whether some here like it or not.
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    04-05-2015 07:20 AM
  6. abangfadli's Avatar
    If you want a phone with lots of 'options', why not go to Android? Android has loads of 'options' for anything and everything.
    Oh my, I certainly did not need most of the feature OP posted hence I'm just quoting the first and second point.

    and for the most part, people won't need most of the things you mentioned above. However if their primary market is India and other similar countries with lack of advanced infrastructure, then maybe they should look at it
    So where do you think the market of WP should be? US? Europe?
    If yes, then do know why WP market is still 3% or something?
    Because MOST people in the world is in developing country (India, Indonesia, Vietnam, Thailand). Microsoft should really accommodates the basic needs from the people in these countries.

    No, I'm not talking about launchers, icon set, etc. I'm desperately needing the 3G signal lock. Because when 2G is stronger than 3G then WP will choose 2G. But using 2G, loading Google/Bing homepage would take forever. That's why I would love to use 3G even though it will drain battery more often. I think lot of people in these countries need it also (noting how it became the first point from the OP)

    But remember, WP is all about not having too many settings to confuse the user :P
    I agree with this. Too many unnecessary settings will confuse the user. But basic one? I don't think so.
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    04-05-2015 08:06 AM
  7. Athull's Avatar
    That's probably a difficult balance to achieve. If a feature that is popular in some countries but not available, the residents of that country might not buy the device. However, if a feature is present that Americans consider antiquated, they might not buy that device because they consider it old-fashioned.

    Perhaps, devices need to have those features, but only in certain countries and not in the US.
    Almost all android phones have a 3G/4G force toggle and a synchronous BT files transfer(even the latest 5.1 running on my Nexus has it).
    By the logic in the post Americans should then find android old-fashioned and they should be buying WP which actually don't have them but we all know that's not the case.
    And just to put something into perspective the fastest download speed in India barring two or three Metro cities is just 1MBps and that too is unreliable and limited to a few GB before its pulled down to 2g speeds for the rest of the month. And WiFi hot spots are a myth in most areas in India barring some cities.
    But then you're into having pages and pages and pages of Settings that not everyone wants. UI/X design is a balance.
    Personally, I don't need a page of settings for BT (or, to take it even further, IR) file transfer. I may have used IR 10+ years ago, but not anymore.
    You urself said u never use BT then why would u care about the amount of settings under BT? It will only show up when the BT section is opened which u won't be doing?

    Most excuses of here for not having these features are about things getting complicated for people who don't use them in US or Europe. But u must know that there are a lot of stuff present in WP that Asian users doing use either(most cloud related stuff, video streaming services etc..) and they don't complain about it as they simply ignore it.
    And people must also remember android offers all these things since years and continue to offer them. Android being already dominant in developed countries and showing no signs of slowing down which leaves only countries like India were people are still transitioning from feature phones(mostly Nokia) to smart phones for WP to grow. This is why its important for MS to implement all the necessary features that are relevant India and the neighboring countries were WP is enjoying great success and almost 10%+market share thanks to Nokia image but if they don't want all those users leaving next year as they plan to upgrade due to lack of these features then WP will have no space to grow...
    Last edited by Athull; 04-05-2015 at 10:41 AM.
    04-05-2015 10:07 AM
  8. Paul1266's Avatar
    It seems counter intuitive to ask manufacturers to retro fit out of date features into new technology. How about lobbying the powers that be in those areas to actually improve the network? Whether that be network providers or government. Asking for these things seems like abject surrender to crap service and shifting the blame to a manufacturer when they are not the problem.
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    04-05-2015 11:03 AM
  9. tushardhingra's Avatar
    It seems counter intuitive to ask manufacturers to retro fit out of date features into new technology. How about lobbying the powers that be in those areas to actually improve the network? Whether that be network providers or government. Asking for these things seems like abject surrender to crap service and shifting the blame to a manufacturer when they are not the problem.
    Well may be because it is quite simple to ask Microsoft to adjust according to the scene than asking each and every government and telecom companies in the world to adjust themselves so that windows phones could get stable 3G/4G connection :p
    Athull likes this.
    04-05-2015 11:43 AM
  10. Paul1266's Avatar
    ...and by 'the scene' you mean your scene. Let me know how you get on with that 'simple' task of getting Microsoft to bend to your will and engineer like it's 2009 again...
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    04-05-2015 02:52 PM
  11. tushardhingra's Avatar
    ...and by 'the scene' you mean your scene. Let me know how you get on with that 'simple' task of getting Microsoft to bend to your will and engineer like it's 2009 again...
    Well I still don't get it why just asking for a simple feature required by many people (may be u don't need it), which is already present in Android phones is going to bend Microsoft to go to 2009. If you don't need the feature, why does it even concern you whether anyone else is asking for it :p
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    04-05-2015 03:02 PM
  12. King Nickles Saintil's Avatar
    It seems counter intuitive to ask manufacturers to retro fit out of date features into new technology. How about lobbying the powers that be in those areas to actually improve the network? Whether that be network providers or government. Asking for these things seems like abject surrender to crap service and shifting the blame to a manufacturer when they are not the problem.
    I ddon'tlive in India and dont suffer from bad telecommunication services and stuff like that. But I would like to know what out of date features you're talking about.
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    04-05-2015 03:07 PM
  13. ronty's Avatar
    (for those who are saying they are not concerned, it even concerns you indirectly)

    Here is the short story...People do not buy wp because of lack of apps...but some just went to try wp...found even basic features missing...market share remain constant due to new people trying wp and some old switching back to android/ios due to lack of a basic feature that they were used to...sale stores do not stock wp and defend themselves by saying wp is crap...potential customers are lost...developers do not support wp due to lack of users...users further don't go for wp due to lack of apps and features...vicious circle continues and wp dies a natural death...people stuck with laggy droid.

    "If you do not use any of the features as infrastructure in your country is very well developed doesn't mean that people in the rest of the WORLD do not need them"
    YES!!FINALLY!! Someone has said it. I've been going through this website seeing people giving reasons for the small market share of WP & every time, the reason given for this is-"Lack of apps". For many people I know, It's NOT. They are not in need of a large no. of apps or games, but they need some basic features which are simply unavailable on WP. For me, WP is "an incomplete phone OS with support for apps". The sad part is that even the apps are unable to fill these gaps, either due to devs not being interested in developing for WP or due to lack of proper APIs(no suitable example in mind at the moment) necessary for some apps to function properly.

    To give an example of an incomplete feature, BT is the most appropriate one. I've been using WP since 2 years & I still cannot believe that MS does not even have a single idea that you should not be required to-1.Go to settings 2.Find BT settings 3.Turn BT on 4.Go back to the file you want to share 5.From the menu,select share via bluetooth & share the file(The option is invisible if BT has not been turned on in the settings earlier.) 5.Go back to settings 6.Turn off BT.
    This is absolutely irritating, since the OS should give the option to share via BT without going into settings first. It should automatically switch BT on when needed, & turn it off when the process has been completed. This is such a general procedure that it can be found in phones found 7-8 years ago.
    I sincerely feel that MS is doing a good job with Windows 10, but I still feel that in the presence of some big features like Universal apps & Project Spartan & whatever else, they will still ignore & simply forget these small features & functions which help in providing a better user experience. Due to this, I'm basically ready to switch to Android at the next possible instant. Don't get me wrong, I really want to appreciate WP, but MS has disappointed me to such an extent with WP8(considerably less with WP8.1, but still) that I don't see myself sticking with WP & my Lumia 520 will probably remain just to test Windows 10 when it arrives.

    As for the people who basically have a single statement for every missing feature-"We don't need this & we don't care", I hope Microsoft is not paying attention to such kind of arrogance or they can simply shut the WP business down & be gone or just stay wherever they would like to(in the mobile phone market), as I don't see them gaining up from 3% worldwide.
    Lastly, whether anyone likes it or not, India is a very important market & will remain so as it has a huge untapped market. The cloud will not work here(not for a great while,at least), features on local devices will.
    04-05-2015 04:08 PM
  14. Cage Ata's Avatar
    Completely agree. Most stores in New Zealand don't advertise windows phone at all. Neither in their mailing or in stores.
    04-05-2015 04:15 PM
  15. King Nickles Saintil's Avatar
    YES!!FINALLY!! Someone has said it. I've been going through this website seeing people giving reasons for the small market share of WP & every time, the reason given for this is-"Lack of apps". For many people I know, It's NOT. They are not in need of a large no. of apps or games, but they need some basic features which are simply unavailable on WP. For me, WP is "an incomplete phone OS with support for apps". The sad part is that even the apps are unable to fill these gaps, either due to devs not being interested in developing for WP or due to lack of proper APIs(no suitable example in mind at the moment) necessary for some apps to function properly.

    To give an example of an incomplete feature, BT is the most appropriate one. I've been using WP since 2 years & I still cannot believe that MS does not even have a single idea that you should not be required to-1.Go to settings 2.Find BT settings 3.Turn BT on 4.Go back to the file you want to share 5.From the menu,select share via bluetooth & share the file(The option is invisible if BT has not been turned on in the settings earlier.) 5.Go back to settings 6.Turn off BT.
    This is absolutely irritating, since the OS should give the option to share via BT without going into settings first. It should automatically switch BT on when needed, & turn it off when the process has been completed. This is such a general procedure that it can be found in phones found 7-8 years ago.
    I sincerely feel that MS is doing a good job with Windows 10, but I still feel that in the presence of some big features like Universal apps & Project Spartan & whatever else, they will still ignore & simply forget these small features & functions which help in providing a better user experience. Due to this, I'm basically ready to switch to Android at the next possible instant. Don't get me wrong, I really want to appreciate WP, but MS has disappointed me to such an extent with WP8(considerably less with WP8.1, but still) that I don't see myself sticking with WP & my Lumia 520 will probably remain just to test Windows 10 when it arrives.

    As for the people who basically have a single statement for every missing feature-"We don't need this & we don't care", I hope Microsoft is not paying attention to such kind of arrogance or they can simply shut the WP business down & be gone or just stay wherever they would like to(in the mobile phone market), as I don't see them gaining up from 3% worldwide.
    Lastly, whether anyone likes it or not, India is a very important market & will remain so as it has a huge untapped market. The cloud will not work here(not for a great while,at least), features on local devices will.
    Some people just don't get it. We don't need to become like android and have a thousand motion gesture features like eye scanning to move the web page and screen swiping and others. But we do need FEATURES that are standard across most devices like unified and improved BT and others.
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    04-05-2015 04:45 PM
  16. Harrie-S's Avatar
    I kind of understand the request for BT features but is wifi-direct not more convenient/faster. And is this not already possible or is it a problem that both phones need to have the "same" app.
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    04-05-2015 05:09 PM
  17. tushardhingra's Avatar
    I kind of understand the request for BT features but is wifi-direct not more convenient/faster. And is this not already possible or is it a problem that both phones need to have the "same" app.
    And the story again takes a sad turn...we don't even have WiFi Direct. Yeah we have "Share it" but again other phone should have it...and asking a friend or anyone who is not a great friend, hey download this application to transfer that kind of file as my WP doesn't even support receiving a HUGE types of files via BT which actually was supported by phones 7 years ago...ok don'tpull out that OTG cable, my phone doesn't recognize it...Ok I'll ask for that file later...thanks anyway.

    And. the embarrassing moment takes away 2 more customers at some future time ;)
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    04-05-2015 10:28 PM
  18. eruptflail's Avatar
    The only one I really feel is necessary is being able to attach files to emails. The rest of them are pretty rare for most users I'd think - at least in the US. Recording a phone calls is also legally hazy. You have to notify the other party that you're going to be recording it, otherwise it's illegal. But yeah, US WP users don't really use Bluetooth to transfer files. I'd much rather email it.

    But yeah, deal breaker features are sort of dependent on the user.
    04-05-2015 11:20 PM
  19. King Nickles Saintil's Avatar
    I kind of understand the request for BT features but is wifi-direct not more convenient/faster. And is this not already possible or is it a problem that both phones need to have the "same" app.
    WP Doesn't support that feature. But I guess according to some here its not important and we shouldn't have it since they don't have a use for it although numerous other people do ;-)

    Lets just stay as we are with no technology improvements and hope somehow our platform gets more interesting and grows.
    Pftttt...while were at it we don't need the new feature to reply to a message from the notification in wp10 either....No ? Since a lot of people might not use it either...
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    04-05-2015 11:21 PM
  20. Harrie-S's Avatar
    WP Doesn't support that feature. But I guess according to some here its not important and we shouldn't have it since they don't have a use for it although numerous other people do ;-)

    Lets just stay as we are with no technology improvements and hope somehow our platform gets more interesting and grows.
    Pftttt...while were at it we don't need the new feature to reply to a message from the notification in wp10 either....No ? Since a lot of people might not use it either...
    You can enable internet sharing and use a app as Shareit. So it is available and faster as bluetooth.
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    04-06-2015 01:03 AM
  21. Harrie-S's Avatar
    The only one I really feel is necessary is being able to attach files to emails. The rest of them are pretty rare for most users I'd think - at least in the US. Recording a phone calls is also legally hazy. You have to notify the other party that you're going to be recording it, otherwise it's illegal. But yeah, US WP users don't really use Bluetooth to transfer files. I'd much rather email it.

    But yeah, deal breaker features are sort of dependent on the user.
    That can already be done now with the help from the app File Attacher. http://www.windowsphone.com/s?appid=...2-f9bf48e61281
    04-06-2015 01:35 AM
  22. vish2801's Avatar
    That's probably a difficult balance to achieve. If a feature that is popular in some countries but not available, the residents of that country might not buy the device. However, if a feature is present that Americans consider antiquated, they might not buy that device because they consider it old-fashioned.

    Perhaps, devices need to have those features, but only in certain countries and not in the US.
    Now that's a very lame excuse here. Android has almost all features, still it holds around 50% of marketshare. Americans don't buy a device because it has certain feature is outright wrong.
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    04-06-2015 02:19 AM
  23. vish2801's Avatar
    You can enable internet sharing and use a app as Shareit. So it is available and faster as bluetooth.
    Proper WiFi direct will be available in Windows 10 for phones, so we might see apps like Xender in future. Present implementation isn't user friendly. Many don't even know about that trick.
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    04-06-2015 02:22 AM
  24. Harrie-S's Avatar
    Indeed many people do not know some tricks like the internet sharing or the File attach app so exposure of these tricks is also important.
    But if some people would spend there time to find these "tricks" iso wasting time with "black vs white" arguments a lot of posts would be more educational . (but probably less entertaining) ��
    Last edited by Harrie-S; 04-06-2015 at 03:11 AM.
    04-06-2015 02:48 AM
  25. Kunal Dudwadkar's Avatar
    Agreed, the 3G lock is seriously a need of the hour at least for me. It so happens that I need to use my phone to do a check in with a picture, browse or mail something and i'm like, damn my WP is on 2G, whereas my friend with a droid being on the same network is on 3G. The situation is even more pathetic when your travelling using navigation and the phone keeps on switching between 2G and 3G loosing traffic data and cortana saying, I'm sorry the internet and I arent talking now :\
    04-06-2015 03:05 AM
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