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04-21-2015 04:38 AM
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  1. tohoshinki's Avatar
    I'm curious how people feel about the design choices Microsoft has made in Windows 10 for phone.

    Keeping in mind the Preview is just a preview, I'm a little concerned with the direction Microsoft is taking. WP8.1 is consistent, it looks great and the font and design choices make sense.

    10 is literally a complete mess. The swipe up gesture for the context menu is gone, icons are inconsistently sized on the live tiles, animations are choppier and slower, the people hub is a disaster (seriously you can only see three contacts at a time). I could list on for hours how many weird design elements are present. What's with the new toggle switches?

    Its like all the clever, space saving design choices that went into 8.1 are going to be completely removed from the final product.
    Kram Sacul likes this.
    04-10-2015 08:36 PM
  2. hotphil's Avatar
    It's not even "just a preview", it's a Technical Preview. It's about under the hood stuff. The UI etc are way down the list of priorities.
    Grimlock and prasath1234 like this.
    04-10-2015 08:40 PM
  3. kklemn's Avatar
    well i love what they have done so far! :)
    04-10-2015 08:56 PM
  4. frozen11's Avatar
    Like the new look..
    04-10-2015 09:02 PM
  5. Kendog38's Avatar
    I like it, the fonts just need to be bigger.
    04-10-2015 09:17 PM
  6. Ma Rio's Avatar
    I think the current UI is beyond terrible.

    Have you seen the new pop-up menu (when you press and hold on an item)?
    The old one was so better that I can't believe there are people who agreed on changing it.
    04-10-2015 09:59 PM
  7. anon(9057135)'s Avatar
    I prefer it over 8.1 , However, They need to bring back Vertical Tiles
    04-10-2015 10:59 PM
  8. boltman2013's Avatar
    No ...its better than 8.1 look again
    04-10-2015 11:07 PM
  9. Grimlock's Avatar
    A lot of complaints mentioned in this thread will be sorted out in the coming months (its not even beta status yet).

    This is a rough draft, just putting everything down and playing with new ideas. You guys complaining about font sizing and consistency have a fundamental misunderstanding about what a technical preview is.
    04-11-2015 12:16 AM
  10. tohoshinki's Avatar
    A lot of complaints mentioned in this thread will be sorted out in the coming months (its not even beta status yet).

    This is a rough draft, just putting everything down and playing with new ideas. You guys complaining about font sizing and consistency have a fundamental misunderstanding about what a technical preview is.
    The thing is I do understand what a technical preview is. I just have very little faith in Microsoft's ability to change things in time for the launch. Windows 8 changed very little from technical preview to rtm and the 8.0 UI was quite awful it wasn't until 8.1 that things improved. A lot of W10 looks to be changing things for the sake of changing them. There are hamburger menus everywhere, and large parts of the UI completely ignore Metro Design.

    Considering the gargantuan amount of work ahead for the mobile team, I do feel my concerns are justified.
    04-11-2015 01:23 AM
  11. Geddeeee's Avatar
    The point of WIn 10 is that it is a completely new OS for phones.

    Forget WP8.1. The design was what is was for that OS.... Win 10 is NOT 8.1 and never will be. If you don't like the new look, then don't use it!!!!
    04-11-2015 05:30 PM
  12. Praxius's Avatar
    The thing is I do understand what a technical preview is. I just have very little faith in Microsoft's ability to change things in time for the launch. Windows 8 changed very little from technical preview to rtm and the 8.0 UI was quite awful it wasn't until 8.1 that things improved. A lot of W10 looks to be changing things for the sake of changing them. There are hamburger menus everywhere, and large parts of the UI completely ignore Metro Design.

    Considering the gargantuan amount of work ahead for the mobile team, I do feel my concerns are justified.
    My wife sure doesn't like change with her programs, yet after a week of playing around through Windows 8 Pro when I first got it, she liked it better than Windows 7.... As did I.

    Windows 8 (PC) UI was quite awful until 8.1?

    It's pretty much the exact same UI as what was in 8 except they put a little Windows Icon to help people know where to click for the Start Screen..... In case they didn't bother following the start up tutorial when they first made their account on the OS where it specifically showed you where it was..... Or they didn't know what the Windows Key on the Keyboard did (there's two of them to try and see what happens) or the other ways you can bring up the Start Screen.

    Yup, that little Window Icon on the Taskbar was such a major change. Oh there was a few minor tweaks to the Start Screen, but otherwise identical. Your comparison of Windows 8 & 8.1 of how the UI improved so much is like complaining that your sprinkles on top of your lat aren't laid out right, but as soon as the waitress rotated your cup 15 degrees clockwise, it's perfect.

    Changing the minor details of the UI icons/graphics will not take very long at all. More or less, it would be similar to changing the layout & graphics of a web page or a Flash application, etc.

    You open the existing layout you are designing from, in my case it would be my layered PSD in Photoshop, changing the graphics to what I now prefer, exporting that specific change and then replacing the old graphic with the new in my library & re-export.

    I am more than sure the process for Windows OS's has some very different processes, but the principal is the same. I have been able to edit, replace, re-export and re-release an entire UI (by myself) in less than a day.

    Now obviously the process in Windows OS's will be different in many aspects, but the principle remains the same. Microsoft is a big company with a lot of money and a lot of people at their disposal, if they sat down and crunched hard over what they want done with the existing UI, they could have it all done and ready within a week, including internal bug testing.

    As for the current UI and changes from WP8.1.... I like them. There are a few minor tweaks required here and there, such as having Cortana find the apps/programs on my phone like Cortana does on the W10 PC/Notebook I am using.... Or a search function within the settings to find what I want, but otherwise a good improvement over 8.1.

    Even my wife who just put W10 on her 1320 likes the UI better than before, and she's the one who doesn't like change....... Yet liked it right away. The Calendar was very different from what she was used to, but after a few minutes of playing around with it, she admitted it is an improvement but will just take a bit of time to get used to.

    Myself? I agree, although I am only testing on my 625 as my 930 is left out. There are many improvements despite a few things still needing to be improved such as performance on lower end devices, etc... which is all obvious at this stage.

    And the Hamburger menus?

    My God, if I have to hear people moaning about those things again it'll be too soon.

    There is nothing wrong with them and again, they are an improvement from the old Metro style. I no longer need to swipe and swipe and swipe multiple to get to where I want to go in an app & then swipe multiple times to get back to where I was..... Or worse, have the app jump to another section after I select something despite me not being finished.

    Now I can just press the menu and press a section I want to goto. That's an improvement.

    And some people have been going on about "But the Hamburger Menu is too far away to use with only one hand..."

    I haven't had any problems with the 625.... Or my wife's 1320, which is the same size screen as the 1520, which are both the largest screens you can get right now, and I haven't had any issues on that..... My wife using her 1320 with her much smaller hands hasn't complained yet and she's what you would consider as "an average user" of a mobile device. She doesn't get a ruler to make sure the fonts and their kerning are all correct in the UI.

    If it was really difficult for her to use, she would have said so right at the start. She is one to complain about something first before getting used to it.

    I am one to try something out in detail to make sure I didn't miss anything before I complain.

    There isn't anything wrong with Hamburger Menus other than people using the name "Hamburger"

    On my 930 I have been using hamburger menus often in other Apps, many web pages including these WC forums, and even Cortana has this Menu and has had it since the start.

    Nobody has complained about any of those things until now.... Which to me seems like a vocal minority.

    But there are piles of online petitions with oodles and poodles of names on them?

    Petitions amount to squat because only those who support the petition will sign it while everybody else in the world doesn't.

    So what about the Metro Style and Pivot system?

    It's all still there, just modernized a bit.

    The new Calendar seems to use the pivot system far better than anything else and for what is needed to be done with the calendar it suits. There is still a "hamburger" menu but again, it is designed to serve a specific purpose and does its job.

    While I liked the Metro style since Windows Phone 7.0/7.5, it was very basic and bland.... A little too bland and basic the more I used it.

    For me, the Metro style of black backgrounds, plain white text and very basic sliders with no imagination involved in their design other than a delayed pan effect between menu and title when you swiped, reminded me of an over glorified MS-DOS UI.

    It was alright and did what I needed it to, nor what it as convoluted as Android, but it didn't blow me away and I found faults right away.

    It would seem that in W10, MS is taking the Best of Both Worlds and creating their own Locutus. As Win10 adapts and improves, you will be one with the Borg....

    You will all become one with the Borg... Resistance is Futile.

    You will disarm yourselves and escort us to Sector Zero Zero One, where we will assimilate your technological and biological uniqueness and add it to our own.

    Your obsolete Apple products will become redundant.

    Your obsolete Android products will become redundant.

    We will have Windows 10 on every device, in every room, in every house, on every street, every block, every town, city, Province, State, Territory, Country and Region.

    04-11-2015 06:38 PM
  13. se7en20's Avatar
    tohoshinki, you're talking about design but complaining about the animations being choppy and slow which is not a design concern. Also, it's a technical preview. Expect it to be slow.
    04-11-2015 08:01 PM
  14. Kram Sacul's Avatar
    It's not even "just a preview", it's a Technical Preview. It's about under the hood stuff. The UI etc are way down the list of priorities.
    So controls at the top of the screen, hamburger menus, badly designed icons, rounded toggles, circle profile pictures and other downgraded UI elements are just placeholders? Well that's a relief. For a while there I thought MS was completely serious with this wannabe Android/mobile website garbage.
    theefman and prasath1234 like this.
    04-11-2015 08:25 PM
  15. hotphil's Avatar
    One man's "bad design" is another man's usability paradise.
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    04-11-2015 08:33 PM
  16. Slovenix's Avatar
    Well it's kind of hard. Some parts are better some are really not.. Like I much rather prefer Settings icon under the toggles instead of being one of the tiles, removal of swiping in apps, new Photos app hmm... Even settings, I prefer W8.1 Update 2 version. I however like new icons everywhere, just not their positions lol.. And I like letters to be thin, they look more clean, but really not practical..

    About the whole design.. Well, it's super inconsistent, definitely needs more transparent effect.. Action center, navigation bar, navigation buttons in apps, and so on. And yes I want to see more colors instead of every thing being gray black and white. A keyboard without outlined letters would be nice too just like in Lolipop version of Android. With colors!. Anyways. A true Windows should always use transparency haha :)

    Design up or down, to be honest I still find 8.1 more practical and faster to use.
    Last edited by Slovenix; 04-11-2015 at 08:59 PM.
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    04-11-2015 08:48 PM
  17. Slovenix's Avatar
    And if you think it looks like Android, you clearly didn't use Android Lolipop with material design. Much easier to navigate and looks nice. You can't compare anymore. And yes I am the biggest Windows & Microsoft fan around here. Just being honest.

    A mix of Modern or Google's "Material" (to get the idea of how it looks) with Transparency & Panoramas would do the job.
    04-11-2015 08:51 PM
  18. hotphil's Avatar
    Aero is sooo 90's though man ;-)
    04-11-2015 09:19 PM
  19. se7en20's Avatar
    I'm just glad we still have tiles.
    04-11-2015 09:25 PM
  20. Slovenix's Avatar
    Aero is sooo 90's though man ;-)
    I know right, yet as much as I like Minimalism & Modernism I also don't like it lol.. When this design came out I was like O yeahhh so fun, but I got bored quickly.. Pastel colors, non-complex icons, simple shapes, blah blah blah .. Looks like toys. I think it's time to move to the next level where Minimalism & Hyperrealism mix. I know.. Strange mix..
    I deal with Art and Modeling.. Guess I should do it myself lol.
    prasath1234 likes this.
    04-12-2015 05:07 AM
  21. Slovenix's Avatar
    I like the new W10 icons.. They are minimalistic, yet more complex than others today..
    04-12-2015 05:13 AM
  22. Erik Latranyi's Avatar
    The point of Windows 10 (phone, tablet, PC & Xbox) will be to have everything in familiar places across all platforms....to give users a consistent experience.

    In the engine of the OS, it will give developers the ability to write apps (we used to call these programs) easier and more consistent across all platforms.

    This is the convergence taking place, folks. Apple & Google cannot deliver the same experience across multiple devices/platforms because they have separate OS for mobile & PC. Microsoft is a ahead of the game here.

    I am running Windows 10 on an older PC and it is getting better and better each update. I look forward to the same from Windows Phone 10.

    I already love the consistency that I am seeing between the two operating systems!
    Michael Dontigney likes this.
    04-12-2015 06:24 AM
  23. Kram Sacul's Avatar
    There isn't anything wrong with Hamburger Menus other than people using the name "Hamburger"

    On my 930 I have been using hamburger menus often in other Apps, many web pages including these WC forums, and even Cortana has this Menu and has had it since the start.

    Nobody has complained about any of those things until now.... Which to me seems like a vocal minority.
    So now mobile websites and 3rd party apps are the ideal UI design now? I'm sorry I don't share those kind of low standards. I switched to WP because the UI and controls were unique and designed to be operated easily with one hand. You didn't have to stretch and tap at the upper parts of the screen to get to where you wanted to go. It was all there (mostly) at the sweet spot of the screen.Throwing out all those well thought out design principles and turning WP into a thinly disguised knockoff of another OS is the biggest FU to those that came to WP in the first place.

    No one complained about the hamburger menu in Cortana because (A) there's no where else to put that control and (B) it's on the right side which is easier to access for most. Another important point is that it's function was to get the settings page not a clunky control to access a slide out screen. It might as well have been a gear icon because that's what it does. It's no surprise that they moved it over to the left in W10. There's no end to the cluelessness over there.

    A massive amount of people complained when MS added the hamburger menu to their Onedrive app and made it look like cheap 3rd party Android app. So much in fact that they tried revising the UI twice to try to shut people up. It looks a little better than the first version but still functions like crap and is inferior to the original Metro styled version. Little did people know but this was the first of many signs that MS' design team has lost their way and isn't playing with a full of deck of cards anymore

    By the way, you should really learn how to write paragraphs instead of fragmented sentences that take a long time to scroll through. I know you're an opinionated guy but you'd get your point across better by consolidating different thoughts into one and not being all over the place. Not too different from the current state of W10 funny enough.
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    04-12-2015 12:16 PM
  24. ajayden's Avatar
    So controls at the top of the screen, hamburger menus, badly designed icons, rounded toggles, circle profile pictures and other downgraded UI elements are just placeholders? Well that's a relief. For a while there I thought MS was completely serious with this wannabe Android/mobile website garbage.
    So do you mean to say that Android design is garbage? If yes, we are on the same page.
    gentry33 likes this.
    04-12-2015 12:37 PM
  25. Marlon Bu's Avatar
    The point of Windows 10 (phone, tablet, PC & Xbox) will be to have everything in familiar places across all platforms....to give users a consistent experience.
    This was the Concept of Windows Mobile...but a Smartphone is not a PC, so it was not a good concept.
    prasath1234 likes this.
    04-12-2015 04:07 PM
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