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  1. stephen_az's Avatar
    MS really didn't need tens of thousands of people to "test" an Alpha build. They dont release Alpha desktop builds to the public so why did they do this with their Phone OS? They could have easily, and perhaps more smartly, released this to a small number (500-1000) of people to test for bugs. Especially if it is not going to be updated often. There really is a limited amount of things you can do with your smart phone. Chances are, most bugs have been reported now in a couple days, probably just about everything that could be found screwy has been reported through the feedback app. So if MS waits another month or so for an update, was there really a point to releasing an Alpha build to the general public?

    As happy as I am to have been able to try this, I think MS made a mistake here. As I said, they do not do this for desktop OS's as far as I know. Yes they do beta previews on occasion. And I understand people we warned but MS had to of known, many many people who really had no business installing this did so, are now ticked off because their phone is bricked, OS is unstable, etc. Mainly because people have been dying for WP10 for a year now. MS perhaps, should've just kept it internal and to limited people until a Dev Preview, which seems to be months and months away.

    Im just curious if they had another reason to do this. Perhaps, knowing they're behind schedule and not as quick as the desktop division, they just wanted to give people a taste. I dont know, but it does seem like a curious decision to me now that its actually happened. Ive got two phones now, so Ill keep it on one, but honestly wont use it much more. Reported bugs Ive found and most other bugs I found are already reported. There is nothing new in this OS that is actually that great or working smoothly that would have me playing around with it or using it for that much longer. Another reason, they should've just kept it to a limited group, imo.
    They have released TPs for both the Desktop and Phone OSs. There is no mystery about that and I am not sure how someone could install the Phone TP without knowing this. The references to the Desktop TP is all over the Windows Insider pages. It is a change in policy with which I do not agree but it is hardly because they are behind schedule. It is just a change to expand the testing base and nothing more.

    BTW, testing with 1000 people, etc., is absolutely useless unless you are designing something for 1000 people. They passed that phase on this a long time ago and have (again) been very clear about that fact. The OS went through internal testing; then was released to a small number of models; then to the larger number. This is all SOP, except they have expanded the user pool. Again, I do not agree with the change because it has allowed many people who probably shouldn't even be allowed smart phones to install something and then whine about it, in spite of the unending warnings and disclaimers. There is, however, nothing unusual about the process.

    As for you concluding statement, wouldn't that then suggest you should have read all the disclaimers and not installed it? You may see nothing new worth your effort to play but those roughed out features are specifically what people need to test. Alpha and beta testing are a waste of time if you have everything done when it is distributed. That is not even a consumer preview - it is a trial of the RTM version.
    Last edited by stephen_az; 04-13-2015 at 03:41 PM.
    04-13-2015 04:19 AM
  2. iamakii's Avatar
    I love the TP for phones on my 1520. It's really rough but I can try new apps (esp the new outlook and calendar!) and send feedback. Good times
    04-13-2015 05:51 AM
  3. someone2639's Avatar
    Maybe. Another negative of it though is you get a lot of users who really don't know any better or don't really know what they're talking about and submit useless feedback. Id think fewer, more experienced users could have been a better option.

    But as I said, Im keeping it on one phone. But at this point, in just two days, Ive tested all I could. Its not stable enough and the new features arent working well enough or just non-existant at this point to even bother picking up my test phone device much anymore until an update comes out. There's really just so much you can test or try on here and the instability and inconsistently will keep most from using it for much longer.
    Quick fix: Put disclaimer in the feedback app and every other complaint barn saying "If something doesn't work, we tried to warn you."
    04-13-2015 06:11 AM
  4. hotphil's Avatar
    Quick fix: Put disclaimer in the feedback app and every other complaint barn saying "If something doesn't work, we tried to warn you."
    Sadly, I imagine folk would take as much heed of that as they did with all the warning messages they had to agree before installation. I still say charge cash money for it. And make it some minority crypto-currency so you've REALLY got to want to be bothered to participate.
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    04-13-2015 06:25 AM
  5. Sebastianx's Avatar
    Same sentiments but Microsoft didn't force anyone to update your phone to technical preview. There have been a lot of disclaimers and they also posted known issues before you update. What I cant accept that they owe us 1 build since they didn't release a build for the month of march so they should have a lot of time minimizing the known issues and squatting bugs but the known issues has been blown out of proportion. The known issues is way more than the build change log. Also I don't understand why Microsoft seems to make every apps on their platform on beta. Dafuq is that? Microsoft Office, Outlook Mail and Calendar has been rocking iOS and Android for a quite a long time since they acquired Acompli and Sunrise. We waited and waited and end up with a build without Office, OneNote and a beta Calendar and Outlook like WTH.
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    04-13-2015 07:13 AM
  6. someone2639's Avatar
    Sadly, I imagine folk would take as much heed of that as they did with all the warning messages they had to agree before installation. I still say charge cash money for it. And make it some minority crypto-currency so you've REALLY got to want to be bothered to participate.
    So like advanced status in a graphing calculator community? That's pretty obscure.
    04-13-2015 10:51 AM
  7. Pierre Blackwell's Avatar
    I think exposing the technical preview to the common public is an ingenious move by MSFT, and is shows that they intend to connect with the common user on a more intrusive level. When it comes to those who are technically literate the changes that would be proposed would definitely be beneficial to MSFT, however that's not the only consumers of computer technology nor the most valuable, because they're going to be reliant on services and functionality being provided without explanation, or understanding. This is why it's so incumbent that those individuals provide feedback as well. The rants and complaints are simply that, complaints, usually by those who don't truly understand about the concept of what an OS build in "alpha" or even "beta" means. However those same people will be complaining about the complete build as well, with the same minimalistic understanding of the inner workings of a complete OS with firmware and everything. That's the nature of the beast. The advantage we now have it to be more cerebral in providing feedback because we have the ability to use the unfinished product, and though the complaints may be completely asinine, as the builds progress, so will the understanding....hopefully. The fact that MSFT puts out alerts, and blogs, and service announcements, and recommendations, and disclaimers about uploading new builds is just more reinforcement that MSFT is trying to reinvent the image that they've established from the beginning. The big bad software company that knows you're going to use what they put out, and doesn't care about how you feel about it, because it's the only service. The reality is, it's not anymore, and if they want a stronger customer relationship, they need a stronger dialogue of communication with the base, and that starts with allowing the consumers, all of them to provide feedback on the services they will be utilizing.
    04-13-2015 11:04 AM
  8. TechAbstract's Avatar
    I installed Windows 10 on my spare phones, a spare PC, and a spare USB flash drive. Don't really see what the issue is :)
    Guytronic likes this.
    04-13-2015 01:46 PM
  9. TheCudder's Avatar
    They have? I've been in the fast ring for months and I got the first update yesterday. IMO the fast track should get the builds in a FAR faster pace, maybe once a week.
    Weekly may be pushing it, but after the release of 10049 (for W10 for desktops/tablets) MSFT said they would be releasing builds (phone & desktop) more frequently for the future builds in the Fast ring.
    04-13-2015 02:03 PM
  10. prasath1234's Avatar
    Luckily I did not install this alpha.Happily staying in Wp 8.1 for ever.I do not like windows 10 for phone.Going to stay with wp 8.1 which is smooth for me
    04-13-2015 02:11 PM
  11. TheCudder's Avatar
    Luckily I did not install this alpha.Happily staying in Wp 8.1 for ever.I do not like windows 10 for phone.Going to stay with wp 8.1 which is smooth for me
    It's completely up to you, but how can you judge something you've never used? Not even Microsoft employees know what the finished product will look or function like?
    Laura Knotek and RumoredNow like this.
    04-13-2015 03:05 PM
  12. fatclue_98's Avatar
    It's completely up to you, but how can you judge something you've never used? Not even Microsoft employees know what the finished product will look or function like?
    How much you wanna bet that when MS drops support for 8.1 he'll be on here complaining his phone is slow and doesn't get any updates. You know what they say about horses and water.

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    04-13-2015 03:14 PM
  13. Ashalinia's Avatar
    I thought it was funny when Gabe was like "Insider Hub now available!!!" and then later...

    Known issue: Insider Hub doesn't launch on some phones.

    But I use the TP on my only device and sure it's buggy in some areas but it's not like my phone is going to blow up and I can always roll back if there's something really deal-breaking for my daily use.
    iamakii likes this.
    04-13-2015 06:16 PM
  14. Muessig's Avatar
    The OP seems to have left about 30 minutes after he made this thread and in all the discussion since we're starting to circle. In order to keep this thread as useful as possible this is closed.
    04-14-2015 01:38 AM
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