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  1. Michael Bull2's Avatar
    If your thinking, doubting or just confused about upgrading to windows 10 for phones, read this review, I tried windows 10, then went back to 8.1, this review sums up how I felt ๐Ÿ˜Š

    A closer look at the rather rough and not yet ready Windows 10 for phones | Ars Technica
    04-13-2015 01:15 AM
  2. Jazmac's Avatar
    I used to tell my kids to keep their fingers away from the stove, that disobeying me would not only cause them to get burned, but force me to spank them. My kids listened but Ars Technica's bloggers either didn't listen, didn't understand or simply looking for page clicks. They were warned hundreds of times as were you, that it was rough build but we (Microsoft) need testers. Its pretty much settled that Windows 10 for Phones is a technical preview when it was announced and written about in hundreds of articles.

    Plenty of disclaimers in the install itself but many, like you forged ahead anyway. So to write a story spelling it out as if you didn't know before hand seems to cast undo blame at Microsoft (my view) simply for making it available. I am glad you were able to roll back since there are some who say they are unable to.
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    04-13-2015 02:04 AM
  3. hotphil's Avatar
    With a massive error in the second sentence, I'm not sure I even want to read the whole review.
    It must be something that they ask anyone writing about any version of Windows on any platform:
    "Do you understand it? Have you used it?"
    "Yes"
    "Oh. We actually need a chump to write some negative, inaccurate twaddle to generate traffic. You're not a good "fit". Thanks for your time anyway"

    There should be some sort of easily recognisable qualification for tech journalists so they can collectively clean up their act.
    04-13-2015 03:37 AM
  4. mjyumping's Avatar
    What is your build number? 12534.56 or 10051? Windows 10 is confusing mine is 12534
    04-13-2015 03:42 AM
  5. jeetu4444's Avatar
    I installed WP 10 to...on.my Lumia 1020...thou is was slow at times...i decided to hard reset....now still on 10 tp trying to understand it...thou my Lumia 1020 is my daily driver..
    I.hope IT works well...thou most apps are working ...for me office apps not working is a bummer...will use I for few days then will revert to WP 8.1 with GDR 2...iam happy to give feed back about windows 10 tp
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    04-13-2015 03:58 AM
  6. Jeff Merritt1's Avatar
    I am in the process of restoring back to Windows Phone 8.1, there is a loooooong way to go. I don't even know if I will like the final results. It isn't the bugs (I understand the technical preview aspect of it)...the snippets of UI that I have seen is headed in the wrong direction IMHO. I am a very very big MS supporter and I have supported Windows Phone or years. Maybe Windows 10 will unify all Windows, but I'll save that for my Xbox One, Tablets, and Laptops. I may very well be getting an iPhone next. Windows 10 for phones is taking the People hub in a horrible direction, Outlook is good, but lack of multiple tiles for multiple emails is bad. Android Icons? iOS sliders? Round pictures? They are butchering the uniqueness of Windows Phone...and it isn't pretty. I hope they don't stray too far from what makes Windows Phone, WP. I hope this is kind of like "Let's throw everything against a wall and see what people like" mentality. If not they need new designers.
    04-13-2015 08:22 PM
  7. Jazmac's Avatar
    I am in the process of restoring back to Windows Phone 8.1, there is a loooooong way to go. I don't even know if I will like the final results. It isn't the bugs (I understand the technical preview aspect of it)...the snippets of UI that I have seen is headed in the wrong direction IMHO. I am a very very big MS supporter and I have supported Windows Phone or years. Maybe Windows 10 will unify all Windows, but I'll save that for my Xbox One, Tablets, and Laptops. I may very well be getting an iPhone next. Windows 10 for phones is taking the People hub in a horrible direction, Outlook is good, but lack of multiple tiles for multiple emails is bad. Android Icons? iOS sliders? Round pictures? They are butchering the uniqueness of Windows Phone...and it isn't pretty. I hope they don't stray too far from what makes Windows Phone, WP. I hope this is kind of like "Let's throw everything against a wall and see what people like" mentality. If not they need new designers.
    It takes all kinds I guess. I think it better to allow tech types to manage this part of the development cycle. The definition alone (technical preview) has your ears pinned way back.
    04-13-2015 08:35 PM
  8. Jeff Merritt1's Avatar
    I am not understanding what you mean by "Tech Types". I am fully aware of what a Technical Preview means. It certainly doesn't mean that I'm not allowed to uninstall it if it is so buggy that it inhibits me from using my phone (I don't have a backup to install it to w/o a shattered screen). I will give it another shot on the next release. At its current unfinished state, I understand that there are OS issues, the post was about a review for Windows Phone 10, I added my opinions. My issue is not the problems. My issue is the direction the GUI is headed. I do not like what I am seeing currently. Functional or not functional it is not something I find aesthetically pleasing. BTW, thanks for your concern about me being able to manage my technology. I assure you, I know full well what I'm doing.
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    04-13-2015 10:19 PM
  9. revanthpallagani's Avatar
    I am in the process of restoring back to Windows Phone 8.1, there is a loooooong way to go. I don't even know if I will like the final results. It isn't the bugs (I understand the technical preview aspect of it)...the snippets of UI that I have seen is headed in the wrong direction IMHO. I am a very very big MS supporter and I have supported Windows Phone or years. Maybe Windows 10 will unify all Windows, but I'll save that for my Xbox One, Tablets, and Laptops. I may very well be getting an iPhone next. Windows 10 for phones is taking the People hub in a horrible direction, Outlook is good, but lack of multiple tiles for multiple emails is bad. Android Icons? iOS sliders? Round pictures? They are butchering the uniqueness of Windows Phone...and it isn't pretty. I hope they don't stray too far from what makes Windows Phone, WP. I hope this is kind of like "Let's throw everything against a wall and see what people like" mentality. If not they need new designers.
    I haven't installed the preview, but the screenshots in above link make me sad. The uniqueness of WP is going away. Instead of playing catch up with other GUIs Microsoft should be concentrating in making the existing one better (I have absolutely no problem with the current interface).
    Why fix what's not broken? If I want an Androidy interface I will pick up an Android. I too believe they are heading the wrong direction. May be right in a financial and statistical perspective, time only will tell.
    04-13-2015 10:30 PM
  10. princeegli's Avatar
    When windows phone looks like windows desktop....then it will be a success.
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    04-13-2015 10:36 PM
  11. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Folks, I think we're going to have to get used to the fact that our beloved OS is going to start looking like the competition. It's been 5 years and it hasn't caught on, with or without apps. It's not a defeatist attitude but sometimes you have to know when it's time for a change. I don't know what hamburgers are other than what they sell at McDonald's, but most of you seem to know and that's where Microsoft is looking. Forget the glitches associated with the TP and let's look at the UI. So they went with round thumbnails for contacts, so what? If you don't like it, stay with the People Legacy contacts. The choice is there, use it. I've heard the argument of "if it looks like Android, why not just get an Android and enjoy more apps?" Well, there's hardware considerations and we still don't know how the "unification" is going to play out. There's already enough functionality to make a strong case for not going with an iPhone, with or without apps. Out of the box, WP (in any form) has more to offer than iOS. The difference maker is obviously the app selection, but that's it. Even with apps, there are still some things an iPhone simply can't do.

    This will probably be Microsoft's last major reboot for phones. The choice is simple, take it or leave it. We don't need any more rants, that time is past.
    04-13-2015 10:37 PM
  12. Jazmac's Avatar
    I haven't installed the preview, but the screenshots in above link make me sad. The uniqueness of WP is going away. Instead of playing catch up with other GUIs Microsoft should be concentrating in making the existing one better (I have absolutely no problem with the current interface).
    Why fix what's not broken? If I want an Androidy interface I will pick up an Android. I too believe they are heading the wrong direction. May be right in a financial and statistical perspective, time only will tell.
    You'll get used to it. It won't be an android nor will it ever bog down like android so no worries. It is an evolving platform and to make the phone a bit less intimidating to smart phone users, MS IMHO is making the best moves it can to both keep you happy and allow for the unwashed to want to experience it. So expect a few compromises and and adjustments to standards. If that is too much then you might need to take a step back and let this play out. Life an business is all about compromise. The only platform that did not have to compromise is Apple. They were the pioneers doing what they did with the modern smartphone and their was no model.
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    04-14-2015 12:37 AM
  13. Jazmac's Avatar
    I am not understanding what you mean by "Tech Types". I am fully aware of what a Technical Preview means. It certainly doesn't mean that I'm not allowed to uninstall it if it is so buggy that it inhibits me from using my phone (I don't have a backup to install it to w/o a shattered screen). I will give it another shot on the next release. At its current unfinished state, I understand that there are OS issues, the post was about a review for Windows Phone 10, I added my opinions. My issue is not the problems. My issue is the direction the GUI is headed. I do not like what I am seeing currently. Functional or not functional it is not something I find aesthetically pleasing. BTW, thanks for your concern about me being able to manage my technology. I assure you, I know full well what I'm doing.
    You said,
    "I am in the process of restoring back to Windows Phone 8.1, there is a loooooong way to go. I don't even know if I will like the final results. It isn't the bugs (I understand the technical preview aspect of it)...the snippets of UI that I have seen is headed in the wrong direction IMHO."
    I read, Long way to go. You don't know if you will like the final and the design is headed in the wrong direction, in your opinion.
    Now you are talking about having trouble uninstalling the TP as if you said nothing else. But I can ignore it like you did.
    04-14-2015 12:44 AM
  14. TechAbstract's Avatar
    When windows phone looks like windows desktop....then it will be a success.
    Hehe. Microsoft wants Windows Phone to be a better Android than Android. Windows 10 is where it starts.
    prasath1234 likes this.
    04-14-2015 03:06 AM
  15. etad putta's Avatar
    If your thinking, doubting or just confused about upgrading to windows 10 for phones, read this review, I tried windows 10, then went back to 8.1, this review sums up how I felt

    A closer look at the rather rough and not yet ready Windows 10 for phones | Ars Technica
    Good solid review, thanks for the link. Of the 100+ comments on the website, pretty much all of them hated it. It will be interesting to see how all this shakes out. The cheap phone market has other solid players these days. Our "beloved" OS might be the death of this platform.
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    04-14-2015 07:10 AM
  16. Tsang Fai's Avatar
    I'm one of the many who have rolled back to 8.1. But indeed I am quite satisfied with the new UI and also the new Outlook Calendar & Mail apps. I rolled back because the preview has so many bugs that I find it inconvenient to use as my phone. I think the ultimate purpose of the preview is for Msft to receive valuable feedback (and hence a better Win10 on release).
    Jazmac and badcat like this.
    04-14-2015 07:50 AM
  17. Jeff Merritt1's Avatar
    You said,
    "I am in the process of restoring back to Windows Phone 8.1, there is a loooooong way to go. I don't even know if I will like the final results. It isn't the bugs (I understand the technical preview aspect of it)...the snippets of UI that I have seen is headed in the wrong direction IMHO."
    I read, Long way to go. You don't know if you will like the final and the design is headed in the wrong direction, in your opinion.
    Now you are talking about having trouble uninstalling the TP as if you said nothing else. But I can ignore it like you did.
    You totally took what I was saying out of context...granted my punctuation and stream of conscious writing didn't help. I restored back to 8.1 easily and I am happier. Like I said, I'll give Win10 another go on a newer more "stable build" this one did not work at all on my 1520. Too many errors that I couldn't look past. Plus, I am not happy with the GUI direction...but it is early and things do change, hopefully the feedback MS gets is put to good use.
    04-14-2015 09:17 AM
  18. Prathameshk's Avatar
    Windows 10 for phone...
    Cons:
    It is not much convenient for me...touching the screen is not as wp8.1(it need more improvements)
    Photo app crashes every time,glance screen,data toggle,flight mode,as more options doesn't work very well for my phone,also the screen shot is not working(they didn't implemented it)
    In phablets (as I'm using L1320) components(text,buttons,etc) are not arranged properly.They are always overlapped.After switching off the phone the goodbye text is always displayed on left side(slightly upside)not in middle...
    Also the I can see one or two white lines after pulling down the notification bar...
    Battery saver app not showing any battery usage of the apps
    Battery drains faster than wp8.1
    Also the os is little bit laggy (it is like i'm using android phone XD :P )
    Still it is in TP so these are normal bugs
    But the pros are nice...
    Pros:
    App switching is faster than w8.1...no resuming screen(that's why it eats battery I think so)
    Notification panel is much more better now
    Settings are arranged properly
    Keyboard is awesome(I got every thing in the keyboard l like the new functionalities of keyboard)
    Minimalistic design is implemented in the UI(I.e. Gerry color in buttons)...it looks better than only black and white UI design
    Also the calendar and mail(aka outlook mail) app are much better now...minimalistic design...
    prasath1234 and wbeckle like this.
    04-14-2015 09:34 AM
  19. loribinca's Avatar
    I bought a 635 to test this out on, not wanting to put it on my 1520.3 .. but ironically I have ended up using this little neon yellow brick as my daily driver for the time being, and giving the 1520 a little bit of a rest (lovely phone, but it's really big!!)

    As a result of this, There are too many things that are broken/that I don't like to make it useful on my 635 .. so I rolled it back to 8.1 Update 1


    Also someone made this comment

    "Losing the ability to pin individual inboxes is a show stopper for me. It's the reason I rolled back to 8.1. I believe that's the way it going to go in RTM. In that case, I'll move back to Android."

    โ€‹I rolled back as soon as I saw that on my phone .. Not going to android, but from what I've tried with windows 10 (both desktop and now phone) I think that all my devices are going to be staying at 8.1 for the foreseeable future -- I rolled back to 8.1 desktop about a month ago. I just don't like the way MS is doing a 180 on a lot of things that made 8.1 so great (full XAML start screen for starters)


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    04-14-2015 09:39 AM
  20. ALpHa.Q.RoUgH's Avatar
    I have the WP10 TP on my spare 920. To me it's "meh".

    I guess I'm one of those who hate change to a degree especially when the whole goal of Windows was to be different. You know how the timeline went: iOS came out first missing some stuff, then Android came out with their OS with the things missing from iOS plus more (copy and paste and etc.). Then it was back and forth of them copying each other (from phones to GUI and etc). Now they pretty much are neck and neck with each other as far as GUI minus a few hardware differences/software differences. Windows was always that one that differentiated itself from copying iOS and Android bits and most of the GUI was similar to Zune (Remember the ZUNE!?)

    Now it just seems like the One Plus One phone that I recently sold about 3 months ago. Some of the things are similar (Contacts, Settings) but I'm still playing around with it. W

    I guess my main complaint is when you get used to a certain GUI since the Windows 7 days (Samsung Focus/HTC Titan) and then come to this, it's like "WHY?". It's like when Windows was pretty much the same (Windows 95-Vista) until you got to Widows 8 and you heard the complaints then. Same deal here. iOS has been pretty much identical to me since the Iphone days when it didn't even have 3G on the phone and that was way back in 2006/07.
    04-14-2015 09:48 AM
  21. etad putta's Avatar
    Can someone do the math for me? We have a phone that has a 3% share, and you change it's OS and only about 3% of that 3% like it. Where does that leave MS mobile?
    04-14-2015 12:23 PM
  22. stephen_az's Avatar
    If your thinking, doubting or just confused about upgrading to windows 10 for phones, read this review, I tried windows 10, then went back to 8.1, this review sums up how I felt

    A closer look at the rather rough and not yet ready Windows 10 for phones | Ars Technica
    The idea of doing a review (positive or negative) of an alpha level TP would be most closely approximated by an auto magazine doing a vehicle review of a clay model, or the empty fiberglass shell on a concept stage. People are wasting their time if they choose to take that approach to the release. If anyone wants to run it, participate in the process properly by providing feedback to Microsoft. This current trend of "I installed it then uninstalled" and then whining about the fact it has bugs or is unfinished, etc., achieves nothing.
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    04-14-2015 12:25 PM
  23. DCTF's Avatar
    goodbye text is always displayed on left side(slightly upside)not in middle...
    I think the "goodbye" will always be to the left, because now it integrates with your Calendar entries. So, it might say...

    "goodbye

    Don't forget
    Dad's birthday is tomorrow"

    ... and those messages would look a bit odd if they were centred.
    04-14-2015 12:36 PM
  24. Yazan Abdullah's Avatar
    yeah and those search spaces and hamburger menus in the top as opposed to bottom are aweful. i got a lumia icon on wp8.1. will not try any preview builds and will not download windows 10 for phones because the direction they're taking is wrong. they are also working at a slower pace on the phone version than they are at the desktop version, which is a shame. i just dunno why MS can't get the phone OS right. why? it's so sad.
    04-14-2015 12:51 PM
  25. mmcpher's Avatar
    I thought this was a fair, proportional and comprehensive review. It takes a little discipline, but reviewers have to be able to assess apps and functions that are buggy, as if they were not, in order to really assess what might be. I thought this review did a good job of noting the buginess, which a reader would need to know if they were considering whether to install the TP or not, but not gratuitously seizing on the "in progress" nature of the TP as license to scorn, carp and crow.

    It is a tricky allocation and time and resources for MS -- they want to air and explore a wide array of good and promising ideas, but need at some point to decide upon which ideas will form the core for the UI. Doing this so publicly and openly not only opens MS to cheap ridicule, it will doubtless cause some testers to become invested in some experimental aspects which will not make the final cut. In this way, one unhappy result is that there are sure to be a chorus of boos attacking MS once they get to final release for choosing and discarding the precisely wrong array of ideas.

    And I can understand, too, why MS would release a TP in this imperfect and only partially functioning state. It would be wasteful to continue to pour resources into every single idea or concept, as if they will all make the cut. A TP is not like a beauty contest where a succession of fully-rigged and dolled-up candidates parades before a voting public where the most appealing is chosen. Instead the idea is to make judgments about what might work and get that into a form that is non-destructive and functional enough so as to not be counter-productive, and then let us all see what we all think. The mail app is an example of this -- it is wanting in the extreme as a daily driver in its current state, for the oft-stated reasons about limits on homescreen folder and the unavailability of office apps. But it works well enough for me to have a sense of what a finished app would look and work like, and to provide feedback. So yes, I feed back the obvious, (more folders and office) but can also chip 2 cents worth of observations about the format, etc. I like the fact that MS has the nerve and confidence to do this.
    04-14-2015 03:28 PM
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