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  1. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    IMO, main reason for WP bad reception ... .
    Don't confuse and mistake the fact that most people don't know the Windows Phone UI even exists, and most of those that do, have no real honest experience with it, for justification for hating it or aspects of it. Most of the "bad reception" that does exist, is poor marketing and poor partner deals by Microsoft and other factors. History is full of stories of excellent ideas first introduced and not widely known, and then becoming successfully adapted over time (sometimes by competitors).

    If you believe one aspect of one feature is responsible for Windows Phone not being well known, I would ask you to maybe step back and take in the bigger picture.

    Best Wishes.
    raycpl likes this.
    04-26-2015 11:31 PM
  2. Torontonian22's Avatar
    I'll bite, more than not i have heard sales people talk bad about windows phone before a customer even sees the tiles. Windows 8 for a vast majority of the market is all they needed, people just didnt like change. As well live tiles are not going away in 10 desktop, get over it. Next, free, because it's two biggest competitors, give it away for free. A unified OS is the ultimate goal. And if that means taking a billion dollar hit over a 5yr buy in period that a normal OS would take, vs an instant upgrade to get 1 billion+ devices on the latest OS, to run unified apps that will instantly boost windows phone app count. Then you sir have no clue how powerful 1billion devices is. Google likes to tout this holy grail number and Windows can tout that number over night, while android needed 8+yrs to get that number and countless throw away 50 dollar phones (not so much in the desktop market).
    This is where i don't totally agree with you. Desktop users and laptop still represent roughly 70% of the windows users. Unfortunately, these people don't actually use apps. Therefore, giving them W10 will not change anything. Unified apps or not, if people with keyboard/mouse/trackpad don't use the apps, the devs won't follow. People who actually need apps are tablet users and phone users. We know how bad wp is doing and the surface is apparently doing incredibly well but there's no numbers to back up MS words... the main windows base doesn't care about apps. They either have full fledge applications or a full fledge web browser giving them acess to web apps that are more powerful then the apps... and that are optimized for their keyboard/mouse instead of a weird hybrid interface that's not optimized either for touch or mouse but that sits in between without knowing what their true purpose is.

    forcing devs to develop an app that has to be compatible with mouse and touch is not the way to do it. If it was that revolutionnary, more devs would already start developping unified apps instead of removing their apps for good. I use w10TP and it's great but i never open the apps on my desktop because i don't need them and they're awkward to use. I only use apps on my surface pro...

    People need a good reason to change their habits. Getting W10 won't make them use apps if they don't need them and if the tiles don't evolve to actually become more than just a snapshot of what's going on. And if they don't own a windows tablet or a wp on the side, the only advantage of unified apps disappears. Therefore, i'm not that optimistic about W10 changing the world. But i may be wrong and hopefully i am.
    bonghy90 and Spectrum90 like this.
    04-27-2015 04:41 PM
  3. gerzhwin's Avatar
    Desktop users and laptop still represent roughly 70% of the windows users. Unfortunately, these people don't actually use apps. Therefore, giving them W10 will not change anything. Unified apps or not, if people with keyboard/mouse/trackpad don't use the apps, the devs won't follow. People who actually need apps are tablet users and phone users. We know how bad wp is doing and the surface is apparently doing incredibly well but there's no numbers to back up MS words... the main windows base doesn't care about apps. They either have full fledge applications or a full fledge web browser giving them acess to web apps that are more powerful then the apps... and that are optimized for their keyboard/mouse instead of a weird hybrid interface that's not optimized either for touch or mouse but that sits in between without knowing what their true purpose is.
    I get your point, but running e. g. the same fully fledged calculator on your PC, tablet, phone, IoT thing and whatelsenot can be as compelling as finally using them on the desktop. BUT (as always) Microsoft has to advertise these--new--things properly!
    04-27-2015 04:59 PM
  4. CapoFantasma97's Avatar
    This is where i don't totally agree with you. Desktop users and laptop still represent roughly 70% of the windows users. Unfortunately, these people don't actually use apps. Therefore, giving them W10 will not change anything. Unified apps or not, if people with keyboard/mouse/trackpad don't use the apps, the devs won't follow. People who actually need apps are tablet users and phone users. We know how bad wp is doing and the surface is apparently doing incredibly well but there's no numbers to back up MS words... the main windows base doesn't care about apps. They either have full fledge applications or a full fledge web browser giving them acess to web apps that are more powerful then the apps... and that are optimized for their keyboard/mouse instead of a weird hybrid interface that's not optimized either for touch or mouse but that sits in between without knowing what their true purpose is.



    forcing devs to develop an app that has to be compatible with mouse and touch is not the way to do it. If it was that revolutionnary, more devs would already start developping unified apps instead of removing their apps for good. I use w10TP and it's great but i never open the apps on my desktop because i don't need them and they're awkward to use. I only use apps on my surface pro...



    People need a good reason to change their habits. Getting W10 won't make them use apps if they don't need them and if the tiles don't evolve to actually become more than just a snapshot of what's going on. And if they don't own a windows tablet or a wp on the side, the only advantage of unified apps disappears. Therefore, i'm not that optimistic about W10 changing the world. But i may be wrong and hopefully i am.

    People with Windows 8 dont care about apps because they force to use the Metro Start, which is a pain with the mouse, or fill like a crazy the bar.
    Also, apps are launched fullscreen.
    But what now? People don't even need to navigate to find programs, they may just open the store and type what they want, and this works for most of what they would need.
    The apps will work just like any other window of any program, letting people use apps with the desktop.
    Also, the main important reason of unified apps is to facilitate the devs work, and use the same stuff everywhere, whenever.
    What if you are doing something on the PC/tablet, and need to go out for some reason? Just grab your phone and continue! And viceversa.
    04-27-2015 05:30 PM
  5. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    People with Windows 8 dont care about apps because they force to use the Metro Start, which is a pain with the mouse, or fill like a crazy the bar.
    ...
    I disagree, discussing the PC operating system, (not the Windows Phone OS) I think, people with Windows 8 on their PCs and tablets are smart and use all their desktop software just as they always have. They also have the added feature of being able to use MODERN apps occasionally. No big deal. Just an added feature. The metro start screen and the Task Bar are essentially, just icons. Click on them to start them. Just like icons on apple, goggle, and Windows 7.

    I don't know what a crazy the bar is.

    Best Wishes.
    Last edited by Kevin Rush; 04-30-2015 at 09:11 AM.
    04-28-2015 11:02 PM
  6. Elitewolverine's Avatar
    This is where i don't totally agree with you. Desktop users and laptop still represent roughly 70% of the windows users. Unfortunately, these people don't actually use apps. Therefore, giving them W10 will not change anything. Unified apps or not, if people with keyboard/mouse/trackpad don't use the apps, the devs won't follow. People who actually need apps are tablet users and phone users. We know how bad wp is doing and the surface is apparently doing incredibly well but there's no numbers to back up MS words... the main windows base doesn't care about apps. They either have full fledge applications or a full fledge web browser giving them acess to web apps that are more powerful then the apps... and that are optimized for their keyboard/mouse instead of a weird hybrid interface that's not optimized either for touch or mouse but that sits in between without knowing what their true purpose is.

    forcing devs to develop an app that has to be compatible with mouse and touch is not the way to do it. If it was that revolutionnary, more devs would already start developping unified apps instead of removing their apps for good. I use w10TP and it's great but i never open the apps on my desktop because i don't need them and they're awkward to use. I only use apps on my surface pro...

    People need a good reason to change their habits. Getting W10 won't make them use apps if they don't need them and if the tiles don't evolve to actually become more than just a snapshot of what's going on. And if they don't own a windows tablet or a wp on the side, the only advantage of unified apps disappears. Therefore, i'm not that optimistic about W10 changing the world. But i may be wrong and hopefully i am.
    Well after the announcement it makes your whole point very moot.

    Web apps, win32 and .net apps are now all windows store compatible. Size of the store apps are now upped to a 150GB limit (photoshop requires 4).

    Basically instead of me having to wade through 4 or 5 pages to find a download link, i go through the store. The company now has a better search and even tools do do updates through the store even on win32 apps.

    So over night they have made the store the best way to get apps in the coming years, bar none.
    prasath1234 likes this.
    05-01-2015 08:30 AM
  7. colinkiama's Avatar
    IMHO, the tiles filled with a single color without border are quite ugly and I hate it.
    I'm not sure whether MS has made some investigation how does people like it? E.g., how many people like it and how many dislike it?
    My point is not malicious. I just hope windows to be more successful and attractive.
    Remove all your tiles and you will get a super quick app launcher. Tap the alphabet tile to jump to any letter you want or press the search button to search for the app you need to use. It's a nice solution if you don't want a start screen
    HeyCori and prasath1234 like this.
    05-01-2015 11:32 AM
  8. jojoe42's Avatar
    Remove all your tiles and you will get a super quick app launcher. Tap the alphabet tile to jump to any letter you want or press the search button to search for the app you need to use. It's a nice solution if you don't want a start screen
    I'm actually interested to see this, could you post a screenshot?
    05-02-2015 02:52 PM
  9. Dark_Shroud's Avatar
    I love my live tiles and will never use iOS or Android for personal devices as long as MS is still in this game.

    I don't even need to open my various apps because the tile gives me the info I need/want. Hell even the start screen can be configured for this to a degree.
    05-03-2015 12:32 PM
  10. colinkiama's Avatar
    I'm actually interested to see this, could you post a screenshot?
    Attached Thumbnails wp_ss_20150504_0007.png   wp_ss_20150504_0008.png   wp_ss_20150504_0009.png   wp_ss_20150504_0010.png  
    HeyCori likes this.
    05-04-2015 04:04 AM
  11. colinkiama's Avatar
    Every time you press the home button, you just go straight here.
    05-04-2015 04:05 AM
  12. nTrud3r's Avatar
    I don't find them ugly at all, the cool thing about them is that your wallpaper goes on them
    05-04-2015 04:45 AM
  13. kristof178's Avatar
    I like the tile design. I think it's better than any Android launchers :)
    05-05-2015 07:33 AM
  14. syspry's Avatar
    I love it, it looks more modern than same-old icon grids. On my Android phones I make my UI a combo of very minimal icons within a cards-like layout
    05-05-2015 08:19 PM
  15. stevemind's Avatar
    Everyone's different.....couldn't even think about using Android or IOS after using WP..........whats up with ya? This is a WP forum....the most amazing os ever
    05-11-2015 06:05 PM
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