04-29-2015 06:20 PM
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  1. Guytronic's Avatar
    For me, it's too much Samsung looking and wouldn't like it, bit mass are more important.
    Had the same thought here.
    Looks just like a Samsung...not that it's a bad design.

    I also like a phone with some thickness to the casing.
    Laura Knotek and a5cent like this.
    04-27-2015 01:29 PM
  2. Loco5150's Avatar
    You think the people and all the mobile related facilities, etc were worthless?
    Basically yes. Very hard to turn around anymore. Nokia was too far gone, poor management had ruined the company and it was too big to turn around. Laying all those people off and closing the factories would have been very costly and Nokia most likely would have gone bankrupt. Apple is basically the only one doing well in mobile phone space.

    Nokia kept everything that mattered. I hope we will see them back in consumer electronics. It wont be phones in sure, for those they will do as with N1, but since they kept the r&d, I hope they will come up with the next big thing and that they will make themselves.
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    04-27-2015 01:36 PM
  3. Kodiak12's Avatar
    Oh my. Having only recently escaped the clutches of iOS after 5 years, I now learn my jump to MS will be short lived. I however chose to remain optimistic. The fact that tickets for the upcoming Build conference sold out in less than an hour tells me developers share the same optimism of Win10/Universal apps. I can't help but feel that something "interesting" is coming and developers will bring it to us.

    Keep in mind I once predicted that nobody would ever pay $1.19 for a bottle of water and the internet was only a fad.
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    04-27-2015 02:08 PM
  4. Spectrum90's Avatar
    In the earnings call the CEO disclosed the exact OPEX run rate of the phone division: $2.5 billion. So, the loss of the phone division was $629 million in the last quarter. That's not funny, It's more than 12.5% of Microsoft's income, and It's not sustainable in the long run, at the current valuation that loss stream is worth $50 billion dollars. They don't expect the situation to improve substantially and dropped the guidance of break even for FY16, without a new guidance.

    If Windows 10 for phones doesn't take off Microsoft has to start producing Android phones. I think first they will add support for Android apps to Windows and try to build an Android app store, if that works, AOSP, if not, Google Android.

    Sad times for us, the end of WP is near.
    Things are worse than I thought.
    04-27-2015 02:27 PM
  5. Loco5150's Avatar
    Oh my. Having only recently escaped the clutches of iOS after 5 years, I now learn my jump to MS will be short lived. I however chose to remain optimistic. The fact that tickets for the upcoming Build conference sold out in less than an hour tells me developers share the same optimism of Win10/Universal apps. I can't help but feel that something "interesting" is coming and developers will bring it to us.

    Keep in mind I once predicted that nobody would ever pay $1.19 for a bottle of water and the internet was only a fad.
    I dont think MS will drop WP. They have the money to keep pushing until it gaines more momentum.
    04-27-2015 03:14 PM
  6. Loco5150's Avatar
    In the earnings call the CEO disclosed the exact OPEX run rate of the phone division: $2.5 billion. So, the loss of the phone division was $629 million in the last quarter. That's not funny, It's more than 12.5% of Microsoft's income, and It's not sustainable in the long run, at the current valuation that loss stream is worth $50 billion dollars. They don't expect the situation to improve substantially and dropped the guidance of break even for FY16, without a new guidance.

    If Windows 10 for phones doesn't take off Microsoft has to start producing Android phones. I think first they will add support for Android apps to Windows and try to build an Android app store, if that works, AOSP, if not, Google Android.

    Sad times for us, the end of WP is near.
    Ok yes much worse than I thought also... But this includes feature phones etc? I dont think making 3 devices a year in Foxconn and keep developing the phone version of the OS would be that heavy. Will that type of strategy gain market share? Who knows, Apple did it.

    Oh man dis Nokia do an amazing deal. They knew exactly that even the feature phones are sinking like a brick. If I ever meet mr. Siilasmaa I will shake he's hand... Well played guys, well,played!
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    04-27-2015 03:20 PM
  7. mjrtoo's Avatar
    I think Microsoft is unintentionally killing Windows Phone and the small touch PC market. Windows 10 for PC is desktop oriented, and that's all fine until you toss in the touch devices under 10", have you tried 10 on those devices? It's pure crap, I'm a huge Microsoft fanboy, but the writing is on the wall, Windows 10 for PC will fail on everything but the desktop (they tried this years ago, remember Table PC, or maybe Pocket PC?, yeah, massive fail).

    Windows 10 for Phone is going the opposite direction that I would like to see, I wanted them to continue on with live tiles, pivot navigation, data centrix hubs etc. Now they've changed to be some bastardization of iOS and Android. Have you tried Windows 10 on a Phone? It's horrendous, and before you toss out 'It's a technical preview', I get it, but it's not like they're going to toss out the new stuff and go back, and that's very, very sad.

    I changed from iOS as soon as the first WP7 devices were out, and have been on board ever since, and loved it, until now. Why would I want an immature version of Android? If I wanted that I would buy a high end Android phone and have a mature OS. It makes absolutely zero sense to me, if it makes sense to you, either you haven't tried WP10, or, you like to be an experiment over and over again.

    As a Microsoft fanboy, they had a huge opportunity, but now, their phone market share will dwindle into nothingness. And it's sad...
    04-27-2015 10:09 PM
  8. Kodiak12's Avatar
    Have you tried Windows 10 on a Phone? It's horrendous,...
    I actually think W10 works better on a small phone than it does say a 10" tablet.

    I for one will miss pure tablet mode from 8.1 on my Thinkpad 10. Even when docked to a 24" monitor, keyboard and mouse I try to avoid Win32 apps if I can and just stay on the "tablet" side. Yes I'm an oddball with a fetish for 100% full screen apps. I really don't care about the taskbar or start menu.
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    04-27-2015 10:44 PM
  9. _Emi_'s Avatar
    I am glad I think your prediction is BS ^_________^ because it looks like things get better. and it's for sure windows 10 desktop being free and one store and universal apps, will help things grow on phones as well because "no users" will not apply anymore. but honestly, why should I care what negative "Microsoft is dead" people say? my phone will get windows 10 and my desktop too, and that's all I care.
    04-27-2015 11:10 PM
  10. mjrtoo's Avatar
    Look, maybe you think they look better. But try it, it works like crap.
    04-28-2015 07:54 AM
  11. Don Geronimo's Avatar
    Look, maybe you think they look better. But try it, I think it works like crap.
    Fixed for personal opinion instead of speaking like a spokesman. Preview quirks aside, I've been able to transition from a docked Surface Pro 1 to laptop with touch cover to tablet with or without pen during my professional workflow significantly better than before on W10TP than 8.1 alone.
    04-28-2015 04:59 PM
  12. RSDC's Avatar
    really guys....will window again fail, come on after the dismay with NOKIA, microsoft must have learned something good...

    now in India, atleast we are seeing people using microsoft phones after such aggresive marketing plans....why can't WP central innovate like stackoverflow......this is the world of open source....but even closed propiritery like APPLE is winning....microsoft needs to pull socks and work hard....
    people should be willing to buy after all they have so much information from NOKIA now
    04-29-2015 06:29 AM
  13. James Light's Avatar
    The truth is after today's build I started to revise my first opinion. Lets see...
    04-29-2015 05:00 PM
  14. mjrtoo's Avatar
    James Light, I hope so, I hope this is really raw right now, because Windows 10 for Phone is a disaster, coming from a fanboy. I think I could really love this (you've probably all seen it before)

    Windows Phone 10 - SAM?s Concept | Tune.pk

    I've been using the technical preview for about a month straight now (updating recently too) and it's pretty painful, you think there is basic stuff missing right now, with 8.1, holy cow...LOL. You can't even copy an address from a website and paste it in the native Maps application, doesn't work. Nor can you spell check or use word flow in the outlook mail application. You'd surely think that you could open the people hub and touch the alphabet links to jump to a letter, yeah...no, that doesn't work. I suppose I submit on average three insider reports a day for even just the basics that 8.1 can do now.

    I do like something though, like the in toast text reply, that's pretty awesome. And also the ability to attach anything to an email from a file browser, that rocks as well. Oh, and one more, while the app itself is really slow, replying to an email within Outlook Mail app, the rich text capabilities is pretty damn cool, and from an ellipse menu of all things. :-)

    So, think what you will, but I'm positive that if you have tried Windows 10 for Phone, you would agree that it's pretty painful if you even try to do anything even remotely considered advanced even from Windows Phone 8.1.
    Last edited by mjrtoo; 04-29-2015 at 08:11 PM.
    04-29-2015 06:16 PM
  15. mjrtoo's Avatar
    Well, obviously posting on a forum is my opinion right, of course I THINK, why else would I post? Obviously not a spokesman, perhaps you're being a little aggressive and not really thinking about what you're saying? Anyway, my post was mostly about Windows Phone, I have issues with the desktop/tablet version as well, but not as severe as the Phone version. And it's more than personal quirks, it's about usability. Once you've used a phone and smaller than a 10" panel with Windows 10, come back and we can get your valid opinion.
    04-29-2015 06:20 PM
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