04-29-2015 06:20 PM
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  1. James Light's Avatar
    I want to make a prediction. Although soon to judge, but I see the microsoft fails and with w10 for phones and in 2017 to sell the part of mobiles. I hope to refute be wrong but this is my opinion.
    What do you think about this guys?
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    04-23-2015 12:43 PM
  2. xandros9's Avatar
    Well I believe a METEOR will strike the Atlantic Ocean where the lost continent of Atlantis lies in 2016 and cause Apple to split itself into two and sell the MacBook brand to Exxon for reasons unbeknownst to us.

    btw, regardless, MS kinda needs mobile.
    04-23-2015 12:49 PM
  3. James Light's Avatar
    Well I believe a METEOR will strike the Atlantic Ocean where the lost continent of Atlantis lies in 2016 and cause Apple to split itself into two and sell the MacBook brand to Exxon for reasons unbeknownst to us.

    btw, regardless, MS kinda needs mobile.
    You think wp is good and competitive software?

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    04-23-2015 12:54 PM
  4. DCTF's Avatar
    What's the point in this? You could say it every year until it's true. WP is struggling with an extremely low market share, after all. Betting on its death is quite safe, whereas betting on it becoming dominant and unseating Apple and Google would be laughable.

    WP will become more attractive because of W10, when more people take an interest in a shared, cross-device OS, just like the way OSX's rise helped to sell iOS. It'll either have enough of a swell to exist, or not. If it's the latter, I'll buy an Android phone, and maybe scratch my arse.
    04-23-2015 01:11 PM
  5. prasath1234's Avatar
    Windows phone has no future once here drive apps are removed from the store.That will happen when apple buy here.
    04-23-2015 01:22 PM
  6. manus31's Avatar
    Ig you think one of the biggest technology companies in the world is going to give up on mobile computing,you're wrong,they'll keep trying till they get it right,it may be a long way down the line,but it will happen
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    04-23-2015 01:27 PM
  7. heickelrrx's Avatar
    Windows phone competitive advatages is their software support. Unlike other OS vendor MS provide software equally to all devices with long support.

    You can't run your old iPhone 4 as good as Lumia 520 Can't you? 520 has personal assistant while iPhone 4 not
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    04-23-2015 01:33 PM
  8. omagic82's Avatar
    I think WP as we know it will eventually die and MS will adopt a forked version of Android that can run Android/Universal Windows apps and MS services. Windows Phone can't last forever with it's current app situation and adopting Androids apps is the only way I can see to change this. Windows 10 will not be the savior for mobile many expect.
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    04-23-2015 01:42 PM
  9. xandros9's Avatar
    I think WP as we know it will eventually die and MS will adopt a forked version of Android that can run Android/Universal Windows apps and MS services. Windows Phone can't last forever with it's current app situation and adopting Androids apps is the only way I can see to change this. Windows 10 will not be the savior for mobile many expect.
    On the contrary I fully expect it to continue either as a reasonably solid, if far third place or a limping along third-place for the foreseeable future since MS still have money to burn.

    I honestly don't really see Android apps coming aboard, since it hasn't really helped Blackberry become a hit. (which is a lot better than you may think - I'm having trouble deciding TBH) Although I must admit, I'm not sure which platform is better off. The Windows Store seems like the Play Store compared to the BB App World, but then again the addition of an Android app layer that works reasonably well brings its own advantages.
    04-23-2015 01:58 PM
  10. Spectrum90's Avatar
    Things look pretty bad. Microsoft sold only 8.6 million Lumia phones in the last quarter. The gross margin felt $300 million, losses must be huge in the phone division.
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    04-23-2015 04:24 PM
  11. Guytronic's Avatar
    doom-gloom1.jpg

    There's two sides to every story.
    Microsoft phones were fun while they lasted :(

    Oh wait!
    They're still alive and well.
    Please disregard...
    04-23-2015 05:18 PM
  12. colinkiama's Avatar
    Things look pretty bad. Microsoft sold only 8.6 million Lumia phones in the last quarter. The gross margin felt $300 million, losses must be huge in the phone division.
    Well it's better than what they had in the same quarter last year.
    04-23-2015 06:19 PM
  13. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I'm renaming this the Karnak thread in honor of all the soothsayers here.
    04-23-2015 06:56 PM
  14. ambeatz's Avatar
    As much as I like windows phone. MS should look at the store and invest in app developers that are keeping this OS alive. Something they are not doing. Apps is what drives the OS into the market and ppl will start having more desire to try out windows phone. Right now we are paying for third party apps and features that are natively free! Only if they invest in these developers and help them. Major third party apps would probably be free by now.
    04-23-2015 07:16 PM
  15. Spectrum90's Avatar
    Well it's better than what they had in the same quarter last year.
    2012 Q4: 4.4 million units
    2013 Q1: 5.6 million units
    2013 Q2: 7.4 million units
    2013 Q3: 8.8 million units
    2013 Q4: 8.2 million units
    2014 Q1: 7.3 million units
    2014 Q2: ?
    2014 Q3: 9.3 million units
    2014 Q4: 10.5 million units
    2015 Q1: 8.6 million units

    I think it's worse because the last quarter Microsoft was extremely aggressive with the prices. The interest in the product is declining, people is asking a bigger discount to buy it.
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    04-23-2015 08:17 PM
  16. Asskickulater's Avatar
    Windows phone has no future once here drive apps are removed from the store.That will happen when apple buy here.
    Wrong, for one, here has already been merged with maps on windows 10, and second, apple and Microsoft have a cross licenseing agreement, which means apple buying here does nothing to Microsoft.
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    04-23-2015 08:21 PM
  17. fatclue_98's Avatar
    2012 Q4: 4.4 million units
    2013 Q1: 5.6 million units
    2013 Q2: 7.4 million units
    2013 Q3: 8.8 million units
    2013 Q4: 8.2 million units
    2014 Q1: 7.3 million units
    2014 Q2: ?
    2014 Q3: 9.3 million units
    2014 Q4: 10.5 million units
    2015 Q1: 8.6 million units

    I think it's worse because the last quarter Microsoft was extremely aggressive with the prices. The interest in the product is declining, people is asking a bigger discount to buy it.
    In what alternate reality is 8.6 million units sold worse than 7.3 million? Colinkiama"s statement is 100% accurate even with the numbers you supplied. Your clear and present disdain for anything related to Microsoft is growing old.
    04-23-2015 08:28 PM
  18. dkediger's Avatar
    I think what has been ironically interesting in the tech pundits' reactions to WP10TP has been a near universal lament for WP's move towards the "universal" UI of top menus and subsuming its unique UI features. Mourning the loss, so to speak, of an alternative UI design that also worked, all the while conveniently ignoring their prior roles in belittling and denigrating the same WP UI - 'cause "Hey, Its Microsoft - They're the past and have nothing of value to offer the future."
    04-23-2015 08:51 PM
  19. Spectrum90's Avatar
    In what alternate reality is 8.6 million units sold worse than 7.3 million? Colinkiama"s statement is 100% accurate even with the numbers you supplied. Your clear and present disdain for anything related to Microsoft is growing old.
    The perception of the product is worse because Microsoft has to incur in bigger losses to sell a similar number of devices.

    The smartphone market has grown at least 30% YoY, Lumia sales increased only 18% YoY and the same quarter last year was weak because Nokia didn't have incentives to invest in the product after they signed the acquisition agreement with Microsoft.
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    04-23-2015 08:53 PM
  20. a5cent's Avatar
    Wrong, for one, here has already been merged with maps on windows 10, and second, apple and Microsoft have a cross licenseing agreement, which means apple buying here does nothing to Microsoft.
    That licensing agreement between Apple and MS pertains to patents. It doesn't apply to products and services. HERE and MS have an agreement in place (lasting ten years) which anyone buying the company would have to respect. After that anything can happen.
    Anyone but MS buying HERE represents a long term threat to MS' mapping services.
    04-23-2015 08:58 PM
  21. tgp's Avatar
    In what alternate reality is 8.6 million units sold worse than 7.3 million? Colinkiama"s statement is 100% accurate even with the numbers you supplied. Your clear and present disdain for anything related to Microsoft is growing old.
    Ha ha exactly! There is something else though that could factor into the equation: virtually all WPs sold in Q1 2015 were probably low end models. A year ago there were at least some recently released flagships like the 1520 and Icon, and others like the 1320. Also, the 925, 928, and even the 920 were probably selling well a year ago since they weren't so outdated then. In the last year we've seen plenty of new devices, but they're pretty much just one bargain model after another.

    But overall numbers, yes, it's much better this year! It would be interesting to see how the revenue from Lumia sales for Q1 2015 compares to Q1 2014.

    One more thing of interest in the list: over the last couple years there has been little growth in sales. It's bounced around a bit, but for the last 8 quarters (2 years) it's been around 8-9 million/quarter, give or take. Where's this "fastest growing platform?"
    Last edited by tgp; 04-23-2015 at 09:20 PM.
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    04-23-2015 09:05 PM
  22. Jas00555's Avatar
    2012 Q4: 4.4 million units
    2013 Q1: 5.6 million units
    2013 Q2: 7.4 million units
    2013 Q3: 8.8 million units
    2013 Q4: 8.2 million units
    2014 Q1: 7.3 million units
    2014 Q2: ?
    2014 Q3: 9.3 million units
    2014 Q4: 10.5 million units
    2015 Q1: 8.6 million units

    I think it's worse because the last quarter Microsoft was extremely aggressive with the prices. The interest in the product is declining, people is asking a bigger discount to buy it.
    You are aware that the 10.5 million is during the holiday season correct? Sales/"interest" have increased. You don't measure growth QoQ, you measure it YoY.
    04-23-2015 09:11 PM
  23. Spectrum90's Avatar
    You are aware that the 10.5 million is during the holiday season correct? Sales/"interest" have increased. You don't measure growth QoQ, you measure it YoY.
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    The perception of the product is worse because Microsoft has to incur in bigger losses to sell a similar number of devices.

    The smartphone market has grown at least 30% YoY, Lumia sales increased only 18% YoY and the same quarter last year was weak because Nokia didn't have incentives to invest in the product after they signed the acquisition agreement with Microsoft.
    YoY: Year over year.
    04-23-2015 09:28 PM
  24. Jas00555's Avatar
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    04-23-2015 09:35 PM
  25. ajayden's Avatar
    Lol. Good try by the andromedia boys (who said that Microsoft will close down) but do you realize that your are part of the Microsoft ecosystem? Here is why.

    Just consider this. Average number of android phone sales is 7.8 billion units per year, according to Gartner.
    Now lets assume, Microsoft decides that they had enough of trying and then they close down all their businesses. And they also lay off all their employees. Lets say they don't even have an office to operate from.
    Which means 0 (zero) overheads for Microsoft.

    Even then Microsoft will earn good income. Here is why.
    Android phones sold per year (as per above) = 7.8 billion units
    Licensing fee for Microsoft patents per android phone = $5 (Assumption at a minimum of $5, even though it might be higher)
    Total revenue generated without any overheads) = 7.8 billion X $5 = $39 billion.

    So androboys will still continue to pay Microsoft, even if we assume that Microsoft will close down all their businesses.

    Which means, Microsoft will survive very well even if they close down all their businesses.

    So, I think we can stop dreaming of Microsoft closing shop, at any point of time.
    04-23-2015 09:38 PM
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