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05-14-2015 04:38 AM
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  1. Blade800's Avatar
    https://www.facebook.com/9gag/photos...e=1&permPage=1

    This is what you get when you dont listen to us and you keep similiar name and logo. I know these are jokes but its like a plague and they already calling edge a slowest browser even if its not fully released and all thanks to IE because they didnt run from it as far as they can.
    05-08-2015 02:01 AM
  2. adrian1338's Avatar
    9gag is where you get "news" from. kids these days
    05-08-2015 02:30 AM
  3. dKp1977's Avatar
    I don't get why they kept the new logo so close to the old one either. They said that people think of "internet", when they see the IE logo. But from what I can tell most users simply hate the IE. Dunno why, tbh. It has come a long way, and version 10 and 11 are pretty great.
    aximtreo, Makm, jojoe42 and 1 others like this.
    05-08-2015 02:31 AM
  4. Blade800's Avatar
    9gag is where you get "news" from. kids these days
    It doesnt matter, kids also use browsers, they cant/shouldnt target only seniors and business people.
    Last edited by Blade800; 05-08-2015 at 04:42 AM.
    05-08-2015 03:25 AM
  5. DCTF's Avatar
    This is the weakest jab at Microsoft I've ever seen. I've seen worse mauling from kittens.

    People who care about technology and take an interest in new developments are going to know about Edge. The ones who don't, who simply fire up Microsoft's browser in order to download Chrome or Firefox, will still have to witness the unmissable difference in Edge's visual design if nothing else, and all MS has to do is make the welcome screen for first-time users trumpet the fact it supports Chrome extensions. If kids choose an uglier browser with no advantages just out of habit, it doesn't say a lot for the next generation of supposedly cannier kids.

    What would be the point in MS losing all those years of a recognisable brand just to start again? It's still "Microsoft's browser", no matter what you do. The cartoons would be all about putting lipstick on a pig, or MS disguising their browser as something else to fool users. The best thing to do is to maintain what they have and try and persuade people by evidence-based demonstrations, not by trickery.
    neo158 and xandros9 like this.
    05-08-2015 04:53 AM
  6. Blade800's Avatar
    The ones who don't
    Majority of people, so yeah.
    05-08-2015 04:59 AM
  7. Rakesh Rocky2's Avatar
    I was watching the keynote, and when Joe said the new browser name is edge,I was disappointed.. And when they showed the logo I was thinking what the hell are you doing MS?.. And I noticed nobody were clapping for the new name they kept.
    05-08-2015 05:09 AM
  8. DCTF's Avatar
    Majority of people, so yeah.
    And you could say the majority don't use Chrome, don't use Firefox, don't use Safari. Do you really think a logo is the important thing here, or what the browser actually does and how it feels to use? Does it matter if people make weak jokes? If that was true, the "XBone" would be dead already.

    To an extent, brand habits will carry both Chrome and Edge. Lots of people use Chrome by instinct because they use Google services and/or Android. Lots of people used IE because it was there. As far as changing the state of play goes, you can't slap a new badge on something and assume it'll transform opinions. That's pointless and possibly detrimental.
    05-08-2015 05:45 AM
  9. DCTF's Avatar
    I was watching the keynote, and when Joe said the new browser name is edge,I was disappointed.. And when they showed the logo I was thinking what the hell are you doing MS?.. And I noticed nobody were clapping for the new name they kept.
    Did you notice the public vote on this site, in which 60% said they found the name fine and/or loved it? Poll results: Microsoft Edge name has its fans, but so does Spartan | Windows Central
    05-08-2015 05:49 AM
  10. Rakesh Rocky2's Avatar
    If they had named Spartan the percentage would have been much better.. The name is also fine.. But the logo is from the old browser.. Am talking from an average person's point of view.. We know its a great browser..
    05-08-2015 05:53 AM
  11. Blade800's Avatar
    Did you notice the public vote on this site, in which 60% said they found the name fine and/or loved it? Poll results: Microsoft Edge name has its fans, but so does Spartan | Windows Central
    The poll was on a site named windowscentral, people here are fans and very informed about this product. Some people (majority) who use androids and iphones and they dont know nothing about upcoming changes to windows they just see oh a new browser from microsoft with E on it I bet it will suck as much as internet explorer. I dont think that Edge is ruining its reputation, that is "fine" to some point with me. But giving it almost the same logo is risky.
    05-08-2015 06:10 AM
  12. DCTF's Avatar
    If they had named Spartan the percentage would have been much better.. The name is also fine.. But the logo is from the old browser.. Am talking from an average person's point of view.. We know its a great browser..
    But less than a third of people polled on this site thought Spartan was better. I'm not saying this one site proves anything conclusively about the wider market. I'm just pointing out the problems of making wild guesses based on your own feelings.
    05-08-2015 06:21 AM
  13. DCTF's Avatar
    The poll was on a site named windowscentral, people here are fans and very informed about this product. Some people (majority) who use androids and iphones and they dont know nothing about upcoming changes to windows they just see oh a new browser from microsoft with E on it I bet it will suck as much as internet explorer. I dont think that Edge is ruining its reputation, that is "fine" to some point with me. But giving it almost the same logo is risky.
    It's just as possible that this site's users are disproportionately critical. There have been huge outcries here over silly **** about how much the new WP10 looks like Android in certain respects, which will not necessarily play the same way in the wider market which happens to like Android best of all mobile OSs.

    You're assuming that "they" ("they" being "the computer-using world", btw) think Edge sucks, or that they already think IE sucks. I don't use IE right now, but not because "it sucks". I'd be embarrassed to be so childishly hateful. I don't use it because Chrome has extensions that I like, so I use that instead. IE's basically good, besides that.

    "oh a new browser from microsoft with E on it I bet it will suck as much as internet explorer"

    And you put on a new badge on, and what changes in that opinion?

    "oh a new browser from microsoft, I bet it will suck as much as internet explorer"

    Meanwhile your 20% market share takes an extra ten seconds to figure out where the internet is now on its PC and gets on with its day.
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    05-08-2015 06:30 AM
  14. gwinegarden's Avatar
    I would not be surprised that they wanted a name starting with e. The IE logo is, instantly, recognizable by most people. Creating a new one that is similar could be a good move on their part.
    05-08-2015 07:39 AM
  15. Blade800's Avatar
    I remember that Microsoft themselves stated at some point that IE had too much negativity so they want to go away from it as much as they can and now they come up with this, so I dont understand their move.
    05-08-2015 09:10 AM
  16. Rakesh Rocky2's Avatar
    I remember that Microsoft themselves stated at some point that IE had too much negativity so they want to go away from it as much as they can and now they come up with this, so I dont understand their move.
    Yeah I don't understand... People's mind is like this e means internet explorer and it is ****.. But hopefully they will get good reputation with edge... Fingers crossed
    05-08-2015 09:18 AM
  17. Ten Four's Avatar
    Good name for a razor--not sure it works for a browser. Personally, I think the name of a product should mean something. Netscape Navigator and Explorer worked for me. Chrome, Firefox, Opera, and Edge not so much. Means nothing. Tells the world nothing. Evokes nothing. The people who can't do anything else go into marketing.
    05-08-2015 04:35 PM
  18. someone2639's Avatar
    Good name for a razor--not sure it works for a browser. Personally, I think the name of a product should mean something. Netscape Navigator and Explorer worked for me. Chrome, Firefox, Opera, and Edge not so much. Means nothing. Tells the world nothing. Evokes nothing. The people who can't do anything else go into marketing.
    Edge means one thing, and it's pretty meaningful:
    It's on the cutting-Edge of browsers, meaning it has/will have daring innovations that nobody is trying.
    Ashhar Hasan likes this.
    05-08-2015 04:46 PM
  19. jdballard's Avatar
    I would not be surprised that they wanted a name starting with e. The IE logo is, instantly, recognizable by most people. Creating a new one that is similar could be a good move on their part.
    I believe I heard Mary Jo Foley (on Windows Weekly) say that this was the reason she was given by Microsoft when asked.

    Everyone who is saying "it's horrible...shouldn't have been named 'Edge', should have been Spartan" etc. doesn't quite get how confused the average, non-technical user would be when they couldn't find the "E" on the taskbar to start their browser. Sure, they "might" click the icon where the one for IE was, but maybe not. And frankly, the average user won't care what it's called. As long as it works, fast, and easy to use they'll be happy. That said, MS has to make this good out of the box.

    If it's good and has some good extensions, I'd be happy to switch away from Chrome.
    05-08-2015 07:15 PM
  20. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Was that supposed to be biting commentary?

    That was nonsensical at best.

    Not even worth the click.
    sahib lopez likes this.
    05-08-2015 09:19 PM
  21. bijak_riyandi's Avatar
    In my not so humble opinion, I think Microsoft should use another color tone for the logo instead of the traditional blue...

    The "e" would keep the "non-tech" users understand that it's the browser, and at the same time symbolize a change from the old IE for the "tech" ones
    05-08-2015 09:34 PM
  22. TechFreak1's Avatar
    From what I've seen as I used to teach basic IT to the tech illiterate in my neighbourhood, the average person doesn't care what browser they use, as long they can use something to access the internet - It's fine.

    I used to set a different browser as a default and keep a shortcut on the desktop labeled "Internet". At one point I kept IE (IE 11) as the default with the shortcut with the firefox icon, then with the Chrome icon & so on - when asked about the UI - I would just tell them it was a new beta update and that they were replicating the UI of another browser as a sort of A/B testing.

    Yes, some caught me out and when caught I'd explain (which was true) that I'm just gearing them up for what ever browser their kids / the admin sets as the default browser. The most didn't think to much of the browsers at all as it was just a means to an end. Needless to say after awhile they caught on it was the same browser with a different logo .

    If either Chrome, Firefox, IE, Safari (yes you can download Safari and use it on Windows), Opera is set as the default browser and no other browser is visible - people will use it.

    However people go by referrals or what they hear from their friends & families "Firefox is good, use that", "use Reed, that's a good site for job hunting", "don't watch this so and so movie it's utter crap" and so on.

    In regards to the teens they are more susceptible to blogs and vbloggers.

    Which is why the best form of marketing is the word of mouth.

    Anyway, a couple of days I decided to do some research since i've got nothing but time most days so I took asked 50 teenagers and 50 adults in my neighbourhood.

    The overwhelming majority used firefox, followed by Chrome, then Opera and then IE as it is just there when it came to the teens.

    When asked what was so bad about IE: they just heard it was bad and extension support was another, when I told them about TPL none of them knew that feature existed . The more I explained about Edge and showed them that you could take notes on a web page the collective response was "woah that is siiiiccck dude!" (as in pretty damn cool).

    I admit I did take the opportunity to shamelessly sell the surface, the writeit app by Lenovo, threw in some videos of Hololens & the demo of continuum on phone for good measure. The funny thing was that all them commented how lacking the ipad was and that it was only good for oaps (old aged pensioners).

    The adults were a more interesting bunch, the group I selected was 50+ (basically retired) being careful not to choose those who I taught in the past and they pretty much said they used what their kids told them was good. When it came to IE - they heard it was bad that's why they didn't use it. 20 - 49 was disregarded as most of them would have used IE at work and their responses would have been clouded by the stigma of the less than "joyful experience" of using older versions of IE.

    So yeah a lot of people bad mouth IE because of what they heard, if you really push people they will tell you that haven't used IE at all and some I've come across said that they have been using firefox since the late 90s (firefox didn't exist then lol).

    tldr: once people start to see adverts of the advanced features of Edge - Note taking, reading lists, Cortana integration - the name & logo won't matter.
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    05-08-2015 10:27 PM
  23. moislopez's Avatar
    Please tell me what you hate about IE. Do you just hate it because people hate it or you have your own reasons.
    05-09-2015 05:37 AM
  24. Blade800's Avatar
    Was that supposed to be biting commentary?

    That was nonsensical at best.

    Not even worth the click.
    I think that if someone say "Still the best browser for download Google Chrome" to unreleased product and it has 25k likes, it is worth a mention.
    05-09-2015 05:53 AM
  25. ajayden's Avatar
    I like the design here. I have no issues with the name or logos. If the desktop and task bar logos can change colour according to theme, I would love it.
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    05-09-2015 06:21 AM
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