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  1. a5cent's Avatar
    Hard to say. Once the UI gets a consistent look as far as fonts and sizes, it should be better.
    Based on what I see right now, it seems to me that a consistent UI is too much to hope for. It's not just about font sizes, nor is it just about the OS itself.
    Consistency involves the entire app ecosystem...
    Is navigation handled in the same way for all apps, or do some use the hamburger, while some use hubs or misuse pivots, while yet others use the entries in the bottom app bar?
    Will ported android apps look and feel like android apps, while ported iOS apps will look and feel like iOS apps?
    How many years will it take for the majority of existing WP apps to be updated to the rather different W10 UI design guidelines? Will it even matter, considering all the other inconsistencies?
    Consistency seems to be what WP can no longer afford to maintain...
    theefman, MikeSo, Jazmac and 3 others like this.
    05-20-2015 10:32 AM
  2. Kevin Hill2's Avatar
    Well it is a trial version and they want your feedback, and I really see no need to bash it until you see the final released version, you have no idea what it will look like or what features it will have till then.
    Dietrich Cleijne and MikeSo like this.
    05-20-2015 10:57 AM
  3. Akssingh's Avatar
    Well it is a trial version and they want your feedback, and I really see no need to bash it until you see the final released version, you have no idea what it will look like or what features it will have till then.
    Do you Seriously belive that they will change just because we want it to.? Look at the past where we have completly rejected some change in preview build but they just have given explanations, nothing else for eg.... The fb integration, games in the app list , music app as an app, not in the OS , etc etc.....you can tell me if you want more examples of it?
    WesleyBPeres likes this.
    05-20-2015 11:06 AM
  4. matrixcaptain84's Avatar
    Though I agree with what a lot of you are saying, I have to assume this is what it would have been like if Lollipop was released in a preview/alpha stage like Windows 10 Mobile is. What we are getting now is a very unfinished product, and as we get closer to RTM that polish that is lacking will be added. They are concerned with implementing and testing features and fixing bugs now. Once that is complete, then we will see the focus shift to the UI polish.
    05-20-2015 11:23 AM
  5. Harrie-S's Avatar
    Do you Seriously belive that they will change just because we want it to.? Look at the past where we have completly rejected some change in preview build but they just have given explanations, nothing else for eg.... The fb integration, games in the app list , music app as an app, not in the OS , etc etc.....you can tell me if you want more examples of it?
    Please define "We".
    And off course they do not "listen" if "we" want something which is against the strategy/direction of Microsoft.
    05-20-2015 12:39 PM
  6. Akssingh's Avatar
    Though I agree with what a lot of you are saying, I have to assume this is what it would have been like if Lollipop was released in a preview/alpha stage like Windows 10 Mobile is. What we are getting now is a very unfinished product, and as we get closer to RTM that polish that is lacking will be added. They are concerned with implementing and testing features and fixing bugs now. Once that is complete, then we will see the focus shift to the UI polish.
    Hope this happens ( which I am sure is not going to happen)....
    05-20-2015 12:40 PM
  7. Akssingh's Avatar
    Please define "We".
    And off course they do not "listen" if "we" want something which is against the strategy/direction of Microsoft.
    We means 27000+ developer preview uses who were upset with the game list and voted in the uservoice against it...
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    05-20-2015 12:43 PM
  8. Harrie-S's Avatar
    We means 27000+ developer preview uses who were upset with the game list and voted in the uservoice against it...
    Then it's simple, that uservoice was against the company's strategy,
    Or do you think if someone started a uservoice with the request to give up the sandboxing and got 1000.000+ votes Microsoft would do it?
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    05-20-2015 01:10 PM
  9. Dietrich Cleijne's Avatar
    Maybe you have got to learn to be patient, W10 is a work in progress, it isn't a finished product.
    05-20-2015 01:29 PM
  10. AndyCalling's Avatar
    *Sigh* Not another of these threads...
    Indeed, I wonder why they're so popular? Oh yes I remember... ;-)

    What I don't understand is why we can't have both pivots and a hamburger (optional) for the confused users. The hamburger button could simply swing out the pivot when pressed. Then, once the confused users understand, they can switch off the hamburger in the settings. Most users, the less confused ones, could switch off the hamburger straight away of course.

    MS seem allergic to choice these days and I am completely puzzled as to why.

    I shall upgrade on my devices to get my foot in the door deal-wise, but unless we see a really major turn around I'll be waiting for Win12 before I move over properly. I'll be imaging my devices back to Win8 as soon as I've ticked the upgrade box until we have an OS that is as good for touch devices as W8. Otherwise, it simply won't be an upgrade in experience or functionality and so would just be pointless and stressful.

    A bit like WinXP. I stuck with Win2000 and skipped XP because it did nothing for me that 2000 didn't do and just made the UI all chunky and Disneyfied with searching dog characters and the like. Sticking with 2000 was the perfect solution and was at no point a disadvantage, so I have no concerns advising folk to consider skipping the less necessary releases. Seems like W10 will play out the same way. I hope not, but it does look increasingly likely.

    Keen to see the design ideas for Win12. I bet by then it'll be very touch oriented.

    So, buy your Win8 devices now so you have a choice whether and how to install W10 (perhaps under Hyper-V). Don't wait and risk being locked in by the MS choice killers.
    Last edited by AndyCalling; 05-20-2015 at 01:51 PM.
    05-20-2015 01:36 PM
  11. tgp's Avatar
    Though I agree with what a lot of you are saying, I have to assume this is what it would have been like if Lollipop was released in a preview/alpha stage like Windows 10 Mobile is.
    Lollipop was pre released, actually, to a limited number of devices officially. The dev community took it and ran away with it, putting it on a lot of other devices before it was officially released. It was actually quite stable, and the original preview version was very close to the final release. I used the official pre release on my Nexus 7, and the only issues I had were with an app or two.

    When I read people saying here how this an early released and a lot of things will be changed, I question how much this will happen to the UI. I actually believe that the UI we see now is pretty much what we're going to see in the initial release. Of course, I expect a lot of bug squashing and adding features before then, but I would venture a guess that as far as appearance/UI, this is pretty much what we're going to get. How much has changed from the very first release until this one?
    a5cent likes this.
    05-20-2015 02:15 PM
  12. AndyCalling's Avatar
    I fear you are right, but I still hope you are wrong. Moving from Win7 to Win8 felt as big as moving from Win2 to Win3. I couldn't consider stepping back from the modern touch interface any more than I could have faced using Win2 again after tasting Win3.
    tgp likes this.
    05-20-2015 02:46 PM
  13. Miguel Correia's Avatar
    Same as been said of the previous os versions, people really have problems to embrace a change. In my opinion W10 is going good it shows potential, huge potential. I really hope that they fix some serious flaws tho. However i don't think that windows users are facing an ugly future at all. Keep in mind that we have only deal with preview versions of the OS. With some polish, W10 will nail it i'm pretty sure of it. The only thing that doesn't really makes sense to me its the name "Windows 10" i'd rather call it "Windows".
    05-20-2015 07:03 PM
  14. Jibily's Avatar
    You never used it because msft made it useless..... It was my most loving point in windows phone 8.
    I've been using Windows Phone since windows phone 7. Windows Phone __ is the only smartphone OS I have ever used.
    ... And I have never once used the Me Tile. Best feature? Hardly. Not even a noteworthy one.
    Last edited by Jibily; 05-20-2015 at 09:19 PM.
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    05-20-2015 09:00 PM
  15. Angry_Mushroom's Avatar
    Not sure why killing the Me Tile is so bad. MS basically gutted it in the 8.1 upgrade when they pretty much neutered the FB integration. I don't recall it ever having twitter or Linkedin capabilities. After a point it was easier for me to just go straight to the app I needed instead of scrolling through a tile with my picture on it.

    The only ugly future is one where Windows 10 for Phones doesn't exist.
    05-20-2015 10:25 PM
  16. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    I've been using Windows Phone since windows phone 7. Windows Phone __ is the only smartphone OS I have ever used.
    ... And I have never once used the Me Tile. Best feature? Hardly. Not even a noteworthy one.
    So your admitted lack of use of a feature, for whatever reason, makes you an expert on it? So you chime in to contribute in what way?
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    05-20-2015 10:26 PM
  17. Jazmac's Avatar
    That's it. I quit. I'm hanging up my 1520 and I'm headed to a PrettyPhone.com like the OP and gittin' me a real pretty phone. Because everybody knows a pretty phone just works better. Here it is some PRETTY!

    BALLIN'
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    Bahhahahahahaha
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    05-20-2015 10:40 PM
  18. Tsang Fai's Avatar
    It is unfair to say Windows 10 is ugly. If you ask 10 people, 8 people would think Windows 10 is prettier than WP 8.1.

    The big change in UI elements does not imply it is ugly. Perhaps it is just the feeling of those existing WP 8.1 users.

    The emphasis of W10 mobile is intuitive UI. Some may think the new UIs are not efficient enough. But that's not the main concern of Microsoft. Being intuitive is very important for the average users. After all, it is important to let users feel natural for using a smartphone. If Windows 10 is too different from iOS/Android, how would users consider switching to Windows Phone?

    I have no problems on using hamburgers menu at all. Just stretch my thumb a little bit further. Everyone can do this right? And what is the point of insisting to use the smartphone with one hand? I can hardly find any time that my left hand is so busy that I can only use my right hand.... :P

    If the UI differentiates too much from the mainstream design, most people would not appreciate.

    For me, I am willing to sacrifice a little bit efficiency in return of a more natural, more intuitive, and more standard way of working with UI. There should be compromises here.

    If we look at Win 10 Mobile from the point of view of advanced users, we can never appreciate the changes made. After all, most users are just general users. They are not going to spend time on discovering useful features. Being intuitive is their primary concern.
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    05-20-2015 10:48 PM
  19. Akssingh's Avatar
    Then it's simple, that uservoice was against the company's strategy,
    Or do you think if someone started a uservoice with the request to give up the sandboxing and got 1000.000+ votes Microsoft would do it?
    If this request gets 1000,000+ votes and still doesn't gets fulfilled by microsoft then they surely need to check what they really want to earn? Customers or audience?
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    05-20-2015 11:00 PM
  20. Jazmac's Avatar
    Based on what I see right now, it seems to me that a consistent UI is too much to hope for. It's not just about font sizes, nor is it just about the OS itself.
    Consistency involves the entire app ecosystem...
    Is navigation handled in the same way for all apps, or do some use the hamburger, while some use hubs or misuse pivots, while yet others use the entries in the bottom app bar?
    Will ported android apps look and feel like android apps, while ported iOS apps will look and feel like iOS apps?
    How many years will it take for the majority of existing WP apps to be updated to the rather different W10 UI design guidelines? Will it even matter, considering all the other inconsistencies?
    Consistency seems to be what WP can no longer afford to maintain...
    Well said. I see WP evolving. What I suspect Microsoft is waking up to is in order to expand the user base, they have to make sacrifices and minor adjustments to better assist those unfamiliar with WP and or its ecosystem. That is to have some behaviors like what those whose first exposure is android and IOS and maintain its identity at the same time. Personally, I could work with these changes. It looks pretty dang fantastic to me so far.
    05-20-2015 11:32 PM
  21. Kram Sacul's Avatar
    The emphasis of W10 mobile is intuitive UI. Some may think the new UIs are not efficient enough. But that's not the main concern of Microsoft. Being intuitive is very important for the average users. After all, it is important to let users feel natural for using a smartphone. If Windows 10 is too different from iOS/Android, how would users consider switching to Windows Phone?
    If Windows Phone/Mobile is just going to be another wannabe iOS/Android why would anyone switch? It sure isn't apps. I switched from Android/Google to Windows Phone/MS because of the unique, stylish and well thought out interface: start screen, hubs, pivots, all of it. If WP had none of that and just had a lazy and dumbed down UI (hamburger menus) I would've never gave it another look.
    wizzackr, gmlongo, a5cent and 2 others like this.
    05-20-2015 11:58 PM
  22. Akssingh's Avatar
    If Windows Phone/Mobile is just going to be another wannabe iOS/Android why would anyone switch? It sure isn't apps. I switched from Android/Google to Windows Phone/MS because of the unique, stylish and well thought out interface: start screen, hubs, pivots, all of it. If WP had none of that and just had a lazy and dumbed down UI (hamburger menus) I would've never gave it another look.
    EXACTLY! we want a better windows phone not a morphed andriod under windows brand.
    05-21-2015 02:47 AM
  23. Tsang Fai's Avatar
    If Windows Phone/Mobile is just going to be another wannabe iOS/Android why would anyone switch? It sure isn't apps. I switched from Android/Google to Windows Phone/MS because of the unique, stylish and well thought out interface: start screen, hubs, pivots, all of it. If WP had none of that and just had a lazy and dumbed down UI (hamburger menus) I would've never gave it another look.
    Windows 10 is not an exact clone of iOS/Android. Windows 10 is not going to the extreme of copying everything from iOS/Android.

    To choose between uniqueness and user-friendliness, I would choose the later.

    I do not think that those unique elements (e.g. pivots) are the only possible good UI designs.

    Microsoft is striking a balance between uniqueness and higher acceptance of UI design.

    It would be sad if something "great" is not commonly accepted by the general users.

    Would appreciate if you can point out exactly what exactly the problem of hamburger menu is? Once you get used to it, you have the same efficiency right?

    Microsoft is adopting some design features that are proved to be working. It is not blindly copying all the things from its competitors. I would be unhappy too if they are copying the bad things from iOS/Android.
    05-21-2015 02:47 AM
  24. Kram Sacul's Avatar
    Windows 10 is not an exact clone of iOS/Android. Windows 10 is not going to the extreme of copying everything from iOS/Android.

    To choose between uniqueness and user-friendliness, I would choose the later.
    Doesn't WP already have that? Unique style (icons, typography) and user-friendliness (tiles, ellipsis, pivots).

    I do not think that those unique elements (e.g. pivots) are the only possible good UI designs.

    Microsoft is striking a balance between uniqueness and higher acceptance of UI design.
    So basically it's a compromise OS. Trying to make everyone happy by doing everything at once. No standards, no consistency. No one is happy.

    Would appreciate if you can point out exactly what exactly the problem of hamburger menu is? Once you get used to it, you have the same efficiency right?
    No. It's in the upper left hand corner of the screen which is hard to impossible to touch one handed. So already it's user unfriendly because you have to use two hands to do something that took one before. On top of that it also looks cheap and out of place. A OS isn't supposed to look like a mobile website, right?

    The funny part is that WP already has it's own superior version of the hamburger menu: the ellipsis. Takes up much less space, bottom right corner and is easily accessed with a tap or a swipe up. The current implantation of the hamburger menu in W10 doesn't even have that. It's a total design fail.

    Microsoft is adopting some design features that are proved to be working. It is not blindly copying all the things from its competitors. I would be unhappy too if they are copying the bad things from iOS/Android.
    The problem is that I don't see MS adopting good design features for W10. If anything it's the opposite and Android and iOS are adopting MS' designs while MS is adopting the worst and most annoying things from them. The kind of things that drove me away from Android and iOS in the first place. Hamburger menus, circle profile pictures, wireframe icons, rounded iOS toggles, etc. These aren't the things that WP needs to succeed. These are the rejects of user design.
    wizzackr and theefman like this.
    05-21-2015 04:01 AM
  25. xekrax's Avatar
    Then I have updated my other phone Lumia 625 I thought that the news Windows 10 should have circles not the squares :D The whole menus and and buttons looks like other operating systems...I much more prefer old buttons like switch on wifi or other settings.
    05-21-2015 05:08 AM
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