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  1. Jazmac's Avatar
    Um....have you actually USED it? Do you even have a clue what you're talking about? I've been using the previews for both PC and Phone since they were first available. I'm speaking from experience, buddy. Don't you DARE give me that ignorant "wait until it comes out" garbage. WE ARE SEEING EXACTLY HOW IT'S GOING TO BE right now. And it sucks compared to how awesome Windows 8.1 is. "Halfway to completion" my hind end! You're out of your mind.
    Reminds me of those people who believed XP should have never been born when Windows 98 was the best of everything. lol. Anyway, I see how its going to be and its fantastic. It just works. You talk like you won't be there but we both know you'll be right there installing and loving it like everybody else Scub.
    05-23-2015 03:00 AM
  2. romancos's Avatar
    I like W10TP over WP8.1, problem was I had chance to use very early build 10046 so while I liked overall idea, the rest wasn't so fluid and flawless as the final release shall be. And most of the WP8.1 apps worked there enough to get initial impression. Looking forward for W10 for WP.
    05-23-2015 03:18 AM
  3. patrikmore's Avatar
    They should stress performance and compatibility. If my previous apps don't work, I'm not interested. They should also "teach" the advantages of using their software. For instance, I don't know what to do with Cortana. Besides, Cortana doesn't work with the language I've chosen.
    05-23-2015 04:21 AM
  4. NangFTW's Avatar
    Reading this thread makes me so ******* sad. Can we all stop behaving like the design change IS THE END OF THE ******* WORLD? It's different, yes. Is it better? That is up to you to decide. In my opinion, it looks better. I like the circles, I like the use of more white backgrounds, I like the hamburger menus. It's all personal preference. Is it similar to Android/iOS? Yes, it is, it's not as original as the old design. Is that necessarily a bad thing? Again, that is up to you to decide. Is it harder to use? Umm...is really an extra tap on the screen that big of a problem?

    I PERSONALLY like the design direction they chose to go with. What I hope they focus on is functionality and stability. I want a fast, smooth and functional operating system. WP 8.1 feels limited to me, feels like a beta, like a part of something much bigger and better. And W10 seems like a giant step forward in that regard.
    05-23-2015 04:22 AM
  5. Kram Sacul's Avatar
    What is exactly ugly?
    The unnecessary hamburger menu in the top left corner, the less stylish headers, the cheesy circle profile pictures, the lack of pivots in Outlook, the lack of a dark theme in Outlook, the badly designed wireframe icons, the pathetic tiny battery icon. This is like 8.1 if it was hit in the face with a shovel.

    It's amazing how well 8/8.1 were designed and how little of that MS is using in W10. You'd think MS fired the old design team and brought a bunch of ex-Google people in to make their own Franken-OS. Maybe for some it's "new and refreshing" but for those that came to WP to get away from this garbage it's like a sick joke.
    Kevin Rush likes this.
    05-23-2015 04:55 AM
  6. Harrie-S's Avatar
    So i would suggest the ones who known Microsoft has designers "With that as Brains" and only make W10 on purposes user unfriendly, to leave the total windows platform at all. Because why in the world would you willingly use products from a company who has (only) "With that kind of Brains" people.

    Now everyone has the right on his or hers opinion and let us know it.
    But if you are so convinced Microsoft goes to something you do not want at all using "insults" will not change that at all.
    Last edited by Harrie-S; 05-23-2015 at 07:48 AM.
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    05-23-2015 07:13 AM
  7. Pavstar619's Avatar
    159 Posts in 4 Days 8 Hours 11 Minutes. Talk about Viral Threads gone wild
    05-23-2015 07:23 AM
  8. Pavstar619's Avatar
    windows mobile os is going to die as no developers are interested, now there is one option for all windows mobile user to shift to Apple iphone, apple ios is more stable and all most all developers are there
    I've been hearing this for 2 Years Sir
    jefbeard911 likes this.
    05-23-2015 07:23 AM
  9. goaty1992's Avatar
    For your INFORMATION, I have been using both the Windows 10 for PCs and Windows 10 Mobile SINCE THE PREVIEWS WERE FIRST AVAILABLE. I can say, without ANY reservation, that I HAVE seen "hot it works"---and it works like CRAP. It LOOKS like crap, too. It is DESIGNED like crap by people who have exactly THAT for BRAINS -- starting with Satya. I have given it a chance and it sucks. I don't believe it will ever NOT suck. Why? Because I was SO ready to see Windows 7 go buh-bye and Windows 8 to be the future. And then Microsoft totally puked all over it.
    You speak as if you're the only one using the TP. Windows is made to target more than a billion users, not just several ones. It's called business. Windows 8.1 might be great TO YOU, but look at the market share. MS don't need you to like W10. They need the majority of people to like it.
    Don't get me wrong, I love my W8.1. But W10 really shows that MS are brave enough to change themselves and move on. Does it look ugly? Personal opinion I guess. Does it look more like Android? Maybe yes, but so what? As long as it attracts more users, MS will go with it. And it's gonna be an awesome OS with loads of new features. So you might express your anger here, but stop being conservative and MOVE ON!
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    05-23-2015 07:38 AM
  10. Ivo Cunha's Avatar
    Yes, I agree also. It is pretty ugly and just doesn't fit as well as in desktop. I think an Android phone is my future to use with a Windows 10 desktop. Apple stuff never.
    05-23-2015 08:02 AM
  11. ashokksridhar's Avatar
    Well, Windows 10 Mobile is still in its developmental phase. Microsoft has been constantly listening to our queries and resolving it one by one. But there are some places where they aren't ready yet to compromise with their perspective.
    05-23-2015 08:30 AM
  12. baandoptager's Avatar
    Everything Windows 10 mobile is ugly as sheeet!

    Tell me this!? Whats the point of adding a wallpaper behind the tiles to a system, when you're gonna squeeze the tiles closer together anyway? Brilliant huh!?
    Kram Sacul likes this.
    05-23-2015 09:01 AM
  13. Harrie-S's Avatar
    Everything Windows 10 mobile is ugly as sheeet!

    Tell me this!? Whats the point of adding a wallpaper behind the tiles to a system, when you're gonna squeeze the tiles closer together anyway? Brilliant huh!?
    Ever heard of transparent tiles?

    And nag nag nag
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    05-23-2015 09:16 AM
  14. Pavstar619's Avatar
    Everything Windows 10 mobile is ugly as sheeet!

    Tell me this!? Whats the point of adding a wallpaper behind the tiles to a system, when you're gonna squeeze the tiles closer together anyway? Brilliant huh!?
    You actually LIKE the tiles being further apart???
    05-23-2015 09:26 AM
  15. Akssingh's Avatar
    I think this thread needs to be featured in an article on wincentral and ask more and more people to post their opinion about the topic.....
    Last edited by Akssingh; 05-23-2015 at 10:22 AM.
    05-23-2015 10:00 AM
  16. Jazmac's Avatar
    Reading this thread makes me so ******* sad. Can we all stop behaving like the design change IS THE END OF THE ******* WORLD? It's different, yes. Is it better? That is up to you to decide. In my opinion, it looks better. I like the circles, I like the use of more white backgrounds, I like the hamburger menus. It's all personal preference. Is it similar to Android/iOS? Yes, it is, it's not as original as the old design. Is that necessarily a bad thing? Again, that is up to you to decide. Is it harder to use? Umm...is really an extra tap on the screen that big of a problem?

    I PERSONALLY like the design direction they chose to go with. What I hope they focus on is functionality and stability. I want a fast, smooth and functional operating system. WP 8.1 feels limited to me, feels like a beta, like a part of something much bigger and better. And W10 seems like a giant step forward in that regard.
    Unfortunately this nasty negative comments taints the entire blog. New ignore features would help.
    05-23-2015 10:36 AM
  17. Akssingh's Avatar
    Unfortunately this nasty negative comments taints the entire blog. New ignore features would help.
    Enough of this FANBOYism ..cant you see where msft is Heading to? They have started ruining their design and there is no way you are gonna change their minds....
    05-23-2015 12:30 PM
  18. xibartx's Avatar
    Enough of this FANBOYism ..cant you see where msft is Heading to? They have started ruining their design and there is no way you are gonna change their minds....
    I like where Microsoft is taking this....there is no way YOU can change my mind if that is what you are trying to do (I am not sure of your agenda here at all).
    How about enough of this ANTI-ism? I had no idea there were so many self professed design experts on the internet.
    05-23-2015 12:44 PM
  19. WPJanssen's Avatar
    I stopped installing W10 previews on my 920. It's just unworkable. It makes me wonder if they use it themselves. On the other hand I respect the progress they make with W10 for desktop (tablet is still far behind) so I hope for the best.
    My advise would be not to put too much effort in continuum because nobody is gonna use that.
    (there is something strange in the strategy of Microsoft; on the one hand the focus is to have software work on as many platforms as possible, since everybody has a lot of devices, on the other hand they put effort in combining functionality in single devices like Surface and continuum.)
    05-23-2015 12:44 PM
  20. CheDragan's Avatar
    I don't - I think it's gorgeous :) no honestly, and pretty much everyone I was talking to on my side agrees, so I guess it depends, tastes differ. I like simple (modern) and I like the direction it's heading, and things will get settled eventually. Also I care more about the user-interface (how comfortable, intuitive etc.) than the design itself (icons and so on - but I'm a big fan of wireframes, XAML drawing). I do have a grudge about the Charms bar though, so I'm not completely happy, but I understand some decisions they made (given mobile, universal and continuum and all).
    Harrie-S likes this.
    05-23-2015 03:17 PM
  21. Narciso Neto's Avatar
    ..cant you see where msft is Heading to? They have started ruining their design and there is no way you are gonna change their minds....
    I think I'm going to say this again and again and...
    W10 Mobile is an UNFINISHED PRODUCT. Look at Windows 10 for desktops, it started in a horrible way, everything was horrible and not polished. Look at it now, looking almost perfect and they heard almost all small tweaks request and added amazing new ones.

    W10 mobile is not their work priority for now, when Windows 10 is ready they'll focus on:
    1 Get new features working;
    2 Optimize peformance;
    3 Optimize and Refine UI.

    By this time, we'll receive a lot of ugly UIs without animations and looking completely ugly. But They'll WORK ON THIS.
    You just need to sit down, wait and not julge an unfinished product. Damn, sometimes I wish Microsoft would never released
    insider previews, so we'll never had to see this kind of bullsh*t
    05-23-2015 03:31 PM
  22. syspry's Avatar
    I think I'm going to say this again and again and...
    W10 Mobile is an UNFINISHED PRODUCT. Look at Windows 10 for desktops, it started in a horrible way, everything was horrible and not polished. Look at it now, looking almost perfect and they heard almost all small tweaks request and added amazing new ones.

    W10 mobile is not their work priority for now, when Windows 10 is ready they'll focus on:
    1 Get new features working;
    2 Optimize peformance;
    3 Optimize and Refine UI.

    By this time, we'll receive a lot of ugly UIs without animations and looking completely ugly. But They'll WORK ON THIS.
    You just need to sit down, wait and not julge an unfinished product. Damn, sometimes I wish Microsoft would never released
    insider previews, so we'll never had to see this kind of bullsh*t
    Betcha case of beer it'll be how the final version looks?
    05-23-2015 04:25 PM
  23. johnson_patrickw's Avatar
    So many UI/UX experts around here
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    05-23-2015 05:08 PM
  24. todd7900's Avatar
    I can't really comment on whether Win 10 mobile is ugly or not since I haven't installed it; but I would hope all the complainers here have made concise and specific comments on the Insider input. Otherwise it's just pointless ******** on a forum that has no influence on the future outcomes. I have installed the preview on a desktop and the progress in the UI and functionality have been pretty impressive, hopefully the progress will translate to mobile as time goes on.
    05-23-2015 05:36 PM
  25. Dustin Hodges's Avatar
    I can't really comment on whether Win 10 mobile is ugly or not since I haven't installed it; but I would hope all the complainers here have made concise and specific comments on the Insider input. Otherwise it's just pointless ******** on a forum that has no influence on the future outcomes. I have installed the preview on a desktop and the progress in the UI and functionality have been pretty impressive, hopefully the progress will translate to mobile as time goes on.
    It may of changed since I last successfully opened the insider feedback app, but much of the Insider comments were more on harmless UI aspects of WinMo 10 (Round profile pictures, for example) than the major aspects (Lack of pivot, for example). There was a lot for the hamburger distaste, though.

    I personally find WinMo 10 disastrous as it currently lacks many of the features I used on a daily basis (Me tile, Integrated Social Networking, Photo Folder Albums, etc.), and the interface is much more polluted with 'chrome', as one may put it.

    I've long said Microsoft gave up with the Metro design principles (fluid, clean, content-focused, chrome-light) around Windows 8, and Windows 10 is making that clear for me. While I cannot speak for the market as a whole (as maybe a majority of those flocking to the OS from Android and iOS like these new changes), I can say without a doubt that the UI of WinMo 10 is quite awful for my tastes.

    For instance, I honestly loved the old Settings menu design, with each title having darker, smaller text bellow it detailing the options contents; Granted, it needed to be categorized (hard to find much without scrolling), but it was clean and efficient. I also enjoyed the old app bar, as I could drag my thumb up in a forward movement to open the menu, and the icons looked like buttons, giving a clear area I needed to touch; The new app bar requires me to tap, not drag, the ellipsis, which has become quite jarring for me, and I always worry I will mis-tap the wrong icon.

    I also take general issue with the added chrome of unnecessary icons and headers (a contact's name now takes up 2x the space in a messaging chat), as well as the interface scheme in general (it looks too much like Android ICS' "Holo UI", sans the blue font). Strange though that the design really feels different from Windows 10 itself, aside from the icons. Perhaps the design just feels different on a PC, though. Speaking of which, the Cortana UI in general is even strange. It feels like each "section" of the interests she pulls is a piece of paper overlaid atop the ui, and it once more is a jarring experience. The WinPho 8.1 Interface was much cleaner and stylish, and honestly fits in more with some of the new Windows 10 design elements than the Windows 10 UI for her.

    Overall the experience really screams late 2011 Android, and lacks many of the enjoyable functions and elements that were the reason I chose Windows Phone in the first place.

    I bought a 635 recently as I was in desperate need of an LTE device, but I can say for certain that unless Microsoft scraps the current designs in favor of something better, then my next phone is going to be of the Moto line of devices. Material Design really feels like Metro design reincarnate, and Microsoft has stated the Cortana shall eventually be coming to the platform, so there is not much to keep me on the Windows bandwagon.

    And I highly doubt Microsoft is going to make a U-turn this late in development. Even with WinMo 10 having a later slated release date from the Summer launch of Windows 10, it's still due sometime this year (afaik), and considering the enormous design changes made already, I feel it is unlikely they will undo all that work.

    These are just the personal opinions of an "armchair designer", but none the less, I feel many agree with what I said, mainly those being early adopters of the Windows Phone operating system (during both it's 7.x and 8.0 days).

    [HR][/HR]

    Random thought, but maybe Microsoft will finally offer enough APIs that the original experience of Windows Phone 8.1 can be duplicated for some functions (Messaging, Mail, People, etc.)? At least the third party developers could then give those who admire the Metro design language something to work with. Perhaps they could even improve on the original experiences?
    05-23-2015 06:54 PM
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