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  1. Kodiak12's Avatar
    Some of you are stuck in this "phone only" mentality. Nadella is all about the entire Windows ecosystem - just like Apple. MS wants Win10 at the root of everything being sold - not just silly cell phones. He said as much.

    Give me an OS that runs on everything and seamlessly melds my tablet, laptop, desktop and toaster together and I really don't care who makes the hardware. It's all about what's under the hood folks. Get the engine purring and let everyone else supply the chassis after 2 years if they want.

    This Nokia crap needed to happen. If Ballmer wouldn't have bought the stupid company then Apple or Google would have. Steve-o had his testicles in a vise and did the right thing.

    So get this doom and gloom out of your system people.
    07-09-2015 04:29 PM
  2. Eustis99's Avatar
    He said Microsoft is committed to making their own phones for at least two years. He never said windows mobile will be dead in two years, unless you read something I didn't?
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    07-09-2015 04:41 PM
  3. Awhispersecho's Avatar
    Yes we are in the phone only mentality because everything that just happened was related to..phones. See how that works. No toaster or laptops, phones. And I 100% agree with you, they had to buy Nokia, if they didn't we wouldn't even have the opportunity to be doom and gloom about WP because it would have been gone already. I actually like this move, I wish it had been their strategy the last 2 years. What I don't like is the incompetence that placed them in this position to the point that they had to make this move.
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    07-09-2015 04:53 PM
  4. Allen Rhodes's Avatar
    WAAAAAAAAAAAA WWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


    How is MS not releasing a bagillion phones a year the end of WP? Chripes! They cant compete due to saturating the market with garbage phones. Yes, some will say Android does the same thing. Look where the biggest sales are, super low end third world phones. MS is moving to a moderate low end, business class(ya know, cause of Office and Enterprise business.) and a high end flagship or two. I think 4-5 phones every 18mo is great! Calm down people.
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    07-09-2015 06:56 PM
  5. Iain_S's Avatar
    You are wrong. Are you reading the web? I follow 40 of the biggest tech sites and they all say it is dead or nearly dead. With these messages Microsoft has 0 chance. They must give developers, phone buyers and OEMs more than an unsure future after two years. OEMs always made ****ty Windows phones and that won't change so what you are saying is not true. OEMs won't keep it alive. They can easily afford to deny Windows mobile.
    don't read too much into these "tech sites", Windows Mobile is not dying(far from it).
    The Nokia stuff that happened yesterday was a given, MS only purchased them to stop them from being sold to someone else. Any smart person knew this write down was going to happen at some point in time.
    The layoffs although very unfortunate for the folk involved also needed to be done, that's what business is all about, streamline and profit.
    The devices themselves had to be cut back to a normasl amount of phones being delivered per year, nokia's releases were just stupid.
    MS are not killing off Windows Mobile, they are just streamlining the whole operation to what it should be, not how Nokia had it.
    Other OEM's are also developing Windows Mobile 10 devices and Microsoft are cutting back to give them breathing space, similar to what happens with the surface line.


    ... and as always do not believe everything you read on the internet.
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    07-09-2015 07:00 PM
  6. chmun77's Avatar
    Ok. stop ranting, start thinking.

    We all know that technology sites will stick knives into whatever pig looks like it'll gain readers. Nothing smells like bacon more than declaring something is dead.

    The actual situation is really simple, maybe too simple for people to really take in.

    Microsoft is cutting back on the number of handsets it'll produce per year/two year cycle. There's going to be a "Value" handset, a "business" handset, and a "Flagship" handset. Having normal and XL versions of these will bring the number to 6. This will curtail the bewildering array of Lumias currently in the range. It'll also allow other manufacturers room to breathe in brining their handsets to market.

    The job losses are mostly in Finland and are reactive to the smaller range of handsets.

    This is a good thing. Tight, more focussed, better handsets.
    I think you are missing the point here. We are not upset about Microsoft cutting down the numbers of phones releasing per year. In fact, I'm really very supportive about that. However, what we are worrying is what happen to the phone business after 2 years?? Is Sayta going to just give the OK to kill it from the surface of the Earth, should the sales is still not picking up? We have already bought into the ecosystem, is Microsoft going to throw in the towel just like that? Existing consumers are just getting upset. Is all nothing but sounds like a last attempt from Microsoft.
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    07-09-2015 08:27 PM
  7. chmun77's Avatar
    To answer your question, very, very few developers are investing in windows phone. We already know this, unfortunately. This is bad for ALL platforms though, as android and ios can continue the daily grind, without worry of loosing 25% of their markets by a third place competitor. It simply isn't going to happen. There will be no innovate fires lit under them, and they can relax. This is bad for ALL of us, not just windows users.


    I wouldn't pin this on balmer, nadelia, or anyone in the developmental stack. This is a _too_late_to_market_ problem, that never cured itself. Sometimes companies relax (as google and apple can now) with their marketshares (like microsoft did with office and it's desktop OS's five years ago) and think the next 'big' thing isn't much to worry about. They are wrong, and pay a hefty cost.

    More importantly, the overall gist of the FAN websites like wpcentral are CHOCK FULL of arguing and doom/gloom posts, INSTEAD OF POSITIVE DEVELOPMENTS. This is a telling sign for what is really going to happen in the future. No matter how positive and upbeat a spin the moderators and link-grabbers put on the situation, the developers can see straight through the spin, and credibility is hurt in the process.


    One more time, I'd love to see a real third place COMPETITOR to prevent ios and google from resting. I don't care if it's symbian, ms, nokia, jola, sailfish, linux, bsd, or whatever running under the screen. I don't care where it comes from. China is fine. Just something to keep a fire burning under ios and android. Right now, there is nothing.
    "More importantly, the overall gist of the FAN websites like wpcentral are CHOCK FULL of arguing and doom/gloom posts, INSTEAD OF POSITIVE DEVELOPMENTS."

    How do you expect us to be positive, when the bad news are coming everyday and even from the mouth of MS CEO himself?! I think is time we should be leaving the ivory tower up there and take a good at the facts that WP is really really not just going to do well - even since after so many years of attempts by MS. Will Windows 10 and Universal apps really going to save the day??? Skeptical I remain.
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    07-09-2015 08:31 PM
  8. FinancialP's Avatar
    I think you are missing the point here. We are not upset about Microsoft cutting down the numbers of phones releasing per year. In fact, I'm really very supportive about that. However, what we are worrying is what happen to the phone business after 2 years?? Is Sayta going to just give the OK to kill it from the surface of the Earth, should the sales is still not picking up? We have already bought into the ecosystem, is Microsoft going to throw in the towel just like that? Existing consumers are just getting upset. Is all nothing but sounds like a last attempt from Microsoft.
    Nah. People are worrying too much.

    Windows phone will just be where it has always been, not successful. Nothing has changed. It wasn't a success yesterday or the day before.

    Development will slow down to Windows Mobile 6 pace, and continue on from there. The market will shrink up to Blackberry size, and us fans will continue to support it and complain about the lack of apps and new devices.

    It's been this way for the past 15 years. We just had fanboys come and make us all think Windows Phone 7 was going to really takeoff and be a roaring success.
    chmun77 and jefbeard911 like this.
    07-09-2015 08:35 PM
  9. ntice_521's Avatar
    The future of Windows Phone is the same as Windows RT. Microsoft won't continue with Windows Phone, but they will make a Phone variant of full Windows, and make high end Wintel phones.
    07-09-2015 08:43 PM
  10. ohgood's Avatar
    Some of you are stuck in this "phone only" mentality. Nadella is all about the entire Windows ecosystem - just like Apple. MS wants Win10 at the root of everything being sold - not just silly cell phones. He said as much.

    Give me an OS that runs on everything and seamlessly melds my tablet, laptop, desktop and toaster together and I really don't care who makes the hardware. It's all about what's under the hood folks. Get the engine purring and let everyone else supply the chassis after 2 years if they want.

    This Nokia crap needed to happen. If Ballmer wouldn't have bought the stupid company then Apple or Google would have. Steve-o had his testicles in a vise and did the right thing.

    So get this doom and gloom out of your system people.
    let me see if i got this right. you're saying phone sales are silly, and what people really need is a refrigerator running Windows 10 ?

    i know you weren't talking about Surface sales, or laptops, or desktops, cause those have tanked.

    the future is STILL phones. just like it was when apple realized it, Google woke up and scrambled for second, and Microsoft flippantly dismissed it all, claiming that anything that can't run office was a toy.

    hmm
    07-09-2015 08:45 PM
  11. JamesDax's Avatar
    smmfh
    07-09-2015 10:06 PM
  12. StevoPhilo's Avatar
    What a mess. Timing wasn't great, lack of clarity is awful as usual, and they refuse to ever set the record straight which allows the media to create the reality. MS is awful and incompetent she its comes to communicating their vision, their message and their products. How hard would it be for Nadella to just clear things up with a 1 sentence statement? He simply won't do it. I truly believe he would drop WP today if he thought he could get away with it.

    In addition, I mentioned the other day, I went into an AT@T store on Monday and was told WP was awful. Why is it awful, because there is too many things going on, "too many windows" as the rep said. I then went to Verizon with my Uncle who is looking to upgrade, the Verizon rep told us MS was cancelling WP, adopting android and just putting their services on it. So in a matter of 15 minutes, from the 2 biggest carriers, that's the message being sent. Oh, and neither store carries any WP's.

    This is an ongoing issue that MS simply refuses to address. I even sent a tip to Windows Central to see if the would write an article about this issue sp we could all share our experiences with the obstacles at retail. Nothing, nada.

    MS has been like an absentee parent with WP, terrible marketing, mismanagement on every level and no desire of effort given to improving the retail situation. They are the reason it has not been successful and instead of doing anything right, they would rather pull the plug. It's pathetic. If WP ever finds any success it will be in spite of MS and Nadella, not because of them.
    This is ultimately their problem. These people need to be trained and mystery shopped. Why hasn't this situation changed? NO ONE KNOWS anything about WP. So their easiest answer is get an iPhone or this Samsung! Give these people training, and stay on top of them. If people feel like WP has some relevant features then they can be sold.
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    07-09-2015 10:08 PM
  13. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    This is ultimately their problem. These people need to be trained and mystery shopped. Why hasn't this situation changed? NO ONE KNOWS anything about WP. So their easiest answer is get an iPhone or this Samsung! Give these people training, and stay on top of them. If people feel like WP has some relevant features then they can be sold.
    That would be Microsoft's job. If Microsoft isn't interested in sending reps to educate the carrier employees, then one cannot blame the carriers.
    07-09-2015 11:42 PM
  14. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    That would be Microsoft's job. If Microsoft isn't interested in sending reps to educate the carrier employees, then one cannot blame the carriers.
    Except even with proper training, publicly badmouthing a product is not good. Instead of telling me a product is awful, tell me why it is good or else why do you even have the product on display in the first place?
    07-10-2015 12:52 AM
  15. DalekSnare's Avatar
    He's committed to two more years. In that time we will see if Win10 is doing well enough to justify its existence to MS. We will also see if the universal and easy-to-port app strategies worked. They should have improved market share by then, so if the new strategies are going to work, they'll definitely keep at it. In the meantime they will stop flooding us with boring phones and start making interesting Lumias again. It looks like MS is learning the lesson Android manufacturers learned in 2011: even if low end phones sell well, don't dilute the market into a mess of confusing indistinguishable almost-identical phones with non-helpful names.

    I just hope they correct the doom message that the media is putting out, that will deter buyers.
    07-10-2015 02:31 AM
  16. jefbeard911's Avatar
    Some of you are stuck in this "phone only" mentality. Nadella is all about the entire Windows ecosystem - just like Apple. MS wants Win10 at the root of everything being sold - not just silly cell phones. He said as much.

    Give me an OS that runs on everything and seamlessly melds my tablet, laptop, desktop and toaster together and I really don't care who makes the hardware. It's all about what's under the hood folks. Get the engine purring and let everyone else supply the chassis after 2 years if they want.

    This Nokia crap needed to happen. If Ballmer wouldn't have bought the stupid company then Apple or Google would have. Steve-o had his testicles in a vise and did the right thing.

    So get this doom and gloom out of your system people.
    Tell that to the 7800 or so that have or will loose their jobs because of Ballmers stupid idea to acquire Nokia. He took a great, albeit struggling company, and set it up for failure. Now its being dismantled. Buy it for 7 Billion, write off 7.6B and fire everyone. Nice move!

    At least if someone else with brains like Samsung, HTC, or LG would have bought them they may have given them the resources to thrive again.
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    07-10-2015 03:37 AM
  17. jefbeard911's Avatar
    I've heard all of this misplaced optimism before. First with WebOS, then Blackberry.

    Yeah, Windows Phone / Mobile may carry on with a new phone or two a year, no real marketing , and a dyjng app catalog but you'll still be able to buy one I guess if this is the universe you want to live in.

    Don't forget, you can still buy a brand new Blackberry too.
    07-10-2015 03:42 AM
  18. jefbeard911's Avatar
    I think you are missing the point here. We are not upset about Microsoft cutting down the numbers of phones releasing per year. In fact, I'm really very supportive about that. However, what we are worrying is what happen to the phone business after 2 years?? Is Sayta going to just give the OK to kill it from the surface of the Earth, should the sales is still not picking up? We have already bought into the ecosystem, is Microsoft going to throw in the towel just like that? Existing consumers are just getting upset. Is all nothing but sounds like a last attempt from Microsoft.
    In a word, Yes...

    Do you remember Windows 7.x?
    07-10-2015 03:44 AM
  19. Blacklac's Avatar
    I understood they were gonna make less of them (for the next two years) THEN stop.

    Well that's even better, actually :-)
    They never mentioned stopping. They just unofficially said we can expect two more years, minimum.

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
    07-10-2015 06:08 AM
  20. Kris Simundson's Avatar
    Tell that to the 7800 or so that have or will loose their jobs because of Ballmers stupid idea to acquire Nokia. He took a great, albeit struggling company, and set it up for failure. Now its being dismantled. Buy it for 7 Billion, write off 7.6B and fire everyone. Nice move!

    At least if someone else with brains like Samsung, HTC, or LG would have bought them they may have given them the resources to thrive again.
    No if someone else bought them, they would've gone after the patents and destroyed the rest of the company.
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    07-10-2015 07:49 AM
  21. TaichiSurface's Avatar
    I have to agree with the op, regardless of Nadella's true intent (which is unclear to me or even to most people, we can only speculate). The fact that it has generated so much bad publicity, it's a bad business move. It's not making anyone more reassured by making this announcement, it's making everyone panicking.
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    07-10-2015 08:41 AM
  22. Blacklac's Avatar
    I've heard all of this misplaced optimism before. First with WebOS, then Blackberry.

    Yeah, Windows Phone / Mobile may carry on with a new phone or two a year, no real marketing , and a dyjng app catalog but you'll still be able to buy one I guess if this is the universe you want to live in.

    Don't forget, you can still buy a brand new Blackberry too.
    As long as Windows is king in Desktop, Windows Phone/Mobile will always be in a better position than BlackBerry or WebOS was when they were tailing off. Especially once Win10 rolls out.

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
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    07-10-2015 08:47 AM
  23. MysticForce's Avatar
    I was considering to swich from WP to android because I don't like black/white background behind the tiles. But then I inslalled W10M and I like it so much, it is awesome !
    Windows 10 mobile will be great, I expect that other producers will make w10m also.

    I like MCSFT move to stop forcing low end phones.
    In my opinion they should have premium line with metal flagship phones with modern design. They should not call it LUMIA !
    07-10-2015 08:48 AM
  24. arjunan's Avatar
    Recommending a Windows Phone now is like recommending Symbian after the burning platform speech from Elop "leaked"
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    07-10-2015 09:09 AM
  25. Awhispersecho's Avatar
    It doesn't help that we can't even get a site like Windows Central, a dedicated Windows site, to write an article talking about the issues and experiences at retail and getting this issue in from of MS. If a dedicated Windows site doesn't care enough to address the issue and try to attract some attention to it, then that says all you need to know about how this will all end up.
    ohgood likes this.
    07-10-2015 09:13 AM
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