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  1. Iain_S's Avatar
    well I believe HTC is working with MS on new devices. Samsung said they would work with MS on new devices if they sorted out their patent stuff, which I think they will.
    Kevin Rush likes this.
    07-10-2015 06:03 PM
  2. winboy's Avatar
    This is the age of cell phones so why would Microsoft give up on cell phones? Doesnt make sense to me. Why do some people think so negatively everytime any little win phone news is released or rumors that are obviously spread by trolls?
    Kevin Rush likes this.
    07-10-2015 06:16 PM
  3. Bahamen's Avatar
    The messaging and timing is simply horrible. And for what, to save a bit more money for their shareholders? This is burning platform all over again.
    07-10-2015 08:43 PM
  4. pgg101's Avatar
    I agree. I just bought a 640xl, its a very nice phone, but I am going to return it while I can. If Microsoft has no commitment to phone, why should I?

    I'll be an owner of the new IPhone (ugh) as soon as the new model comes out.
    Okay, I'll bite...you'll likely replace your phone either way in 2-3 years from now anyways. So why not keep it if you like the phone? It's not like the phone won't function.

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android on my BlackBerry Passport
    07-10-2015 09:41 PM
  5. Wazzim's Avatar
    Some people honestly have made jumping to conclusion a sport for themselves. Get a grip or a brain, either way: Relax.

    They're just going to slow down the release of the amount of phones which is good. We don't need 13 Lumias a year, 3 or 4 is perfect.
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    07-10-2015 11:03 PM
  6. bsbharath1987's Avatar
    I'm surprised at how wrong these supposed tech sites have read the press release. To me, MS is doing what is was supposed to do in the first place. It does not make any sense to flood the low-end market in the way they did. Ultimately it will confuse the consumers and the OEMs. Being a first party, they should show the way to the market similar to how they did with the PC (Surface line). We've seen how the other OEMs have upped their game after Surface was launched. This is the way it should be with phones as well.
    There is now a momentum that is slowly building up with a number of OEMs signing up for Windows Mobile. That should be encouraged and MS should show the way with a couple of phones in each segment.
    Kevin Rush likes this.
    07-11-2015 12:23 AM
  7. jefbeard911's Avatar
    This is the age of cell phones so why would Microsoft give up on cell phones? Doesnt make sense to me. Why do some people think so negatively everytime any little win phone news is released or rumors that are obviously spread by trolls?
    Why they would give up on phones?

    4 numbers come to mind:

    3% - Global Smartphone market share
    1% - U.S smartphone market share
    7.8 Billion - write down after Nokia purchase
    5 - Years that WP has been out

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
    Deomin likes this.
    07-11-2015 05:33 AM
  8. winboy's Avatar
    Why they would give up on phones?

    4 numbers come to mind:

    3% - Global Smartphone market share
    1% - U.S smartphone market share
    7.8 Billion - write down after Nokia purchase
    5 - Years that WP has been out

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
    That to me really doesnt mean much. I always root for the underdog and stay positive.
    07-12-2015 09:09 AM
  9. Chris Hammond2's Avatar
    I hate doom and gloom. It was only a short time ago, whilst cooking roms on android, that news reached many of us on XDA, that Samdungs phone department was under the gun, performing way below it's other consumer electronics departments. They don't really have a confusing range of phones anymore. Budget, midrange and flagship. They went down the large screen route, with the Note 3, but even that didn't achieve projected units in the 'business' market.

    I read in an earlier post, that 1+One would be a good choice of OEM for WP. I've played with a couple of their devices, I had a pre-order ticket, and they are extremely well made, but like WP, the mainstream buyer doesn't know who / what they are. Then you have the issue of fashion / one upmanship / bragging rights etc.... Can you really see a teenager* bragging to his mates that he has a WP?? Most phones, IMHO, are just fashion items. Samsung S6. Wireless charging.... Really? So has my 930. Why would the youngsters buy an S6 and not a 930?? Because one of the biggest music stars advertise it in the UK, compared to MSfts ads for the 640 which is basically an overhead shot of the phone and cortana working..... Doesn't really make the devices inspirational does it?? And, for me, therein lies the problem. They are not aspirational, no matter how the specs compare.

    *apart from my 15 year old who loves his 635lte
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    07-12-2015 09:49 AM
  10. Christopher Kendalls's Avatar
    It is being taken out of context. Committing to sabotaging WP in a two year time frame is suicidal. Software, on the desktop, is pretty much dead, with everyone using the same handful of programs. Gaming, in traditional, console form, is not as profitable as it used to be, particularly with the rise of open source and smartphone gaming. Microsoft has to make a go of it at mobile if it is to have any future as a company. I am keeping my 635 until it won't turn on anymore. I'll see what Microsoft is doing then before I make any rash decisions.

    I don't care what he says. What else would Microsoft do if it does not succeed in mobile? How profitable are licenses for Office outside of the enterprise, for home use, when there are open source solutions plus Microsoft itself has Office Web Apps, which I often prefer to use when I'm online. I never paid for Office outright, and I probably never will. Only way you'll get me onto Office is 1 TB of OneDrive, so I can upload my collection; it happens to come with 365, but I would never pay for it without that extra storage.

    Unless Microsoft wants to turn into IBM, which is nothing but consulting, research, etc they need to figure out how to make money off of mobile. If not mobile they need to find a way to make the desktop interesting again. So far all I've seen from Microsoft since I moved to WP is give this way, give that away, discount here, two for one there, bundle a service with hardware, and so on and so forth. Nothing that suggests that they're making any money off of WP. I don't see anyone else doing that; maybe Google with the Chromebook throwing in free Google Drive but that is about it. I'll admit that I came to WP for the freebies because it was worth the time and trouble, and I got a better phone than the Android that I had for less money, but things have to change at some point. Even Bing Rewards, I use Bing Rewards but it seems like a backhanded way to get us to use Bing. Google isn't paying anyone to use their search.

    The only thing that is being said it that Microsoft will do the same for 2 years as they've been doing, in a smarter, more efficient way. I've seen nothing to suggest they're throwing the baby out with the bath water. In two years they'll probably change course; they have probably already thought of what they can try in the future if the current strategy does not work.
    Last edited by Christopher Kendalls; 07-12-2015 at 10:46 AM.
    07-12-2015 10:25 AM
  11. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    Why they would give up on phones?

    4 numbers come to mind:

    3% - Global Smartphone market share
    1% - U.S smartphone market share
    7.8 Billion - write down after Nokia purchase
    5 - Years that WP has been out

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
    Apple had only computers at 3% market share for many years and only now do their computers make up 5 or maybe 6% of the market. They survived by have a premium product, loyal customers, and eventually by adding more products that sold higher numbers.

    Running a business is complicated and can't be understood entirely, by simply listing those numbers. Having unique products like the Surface or Apple computer can be a good strategy. It seems like Microsoft is now looking to make 6 "reference" phones each year and like the Surface, with no intent to take over the marketplace.
    07-12-2015 10:46 AM
  12. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    Regarding the "terrible message". Yes, Microsoft has always been bad at communicating. They have survived despite communication blunders. No wonder the doomsday and troll people are just spinning with glee. It's so easy to misrepresent what Microsoft carelessly said. They need to fire the marketing and public relations people.
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    07-12-2015 11:14 AM
  13. tlefeuvre's Avatar
    You are wrong. Are you reading the web? I follow 40 of the biggest tech sites and they all say it is dead or nearly dead. With these messages Microsoft has 0 chance. They must give developers, phone buyers and OEMs more than an unsure future after two years. OEMs always made ****ty Windows phones and that won't change so what you are saying is not true. OEMs won't keep it alive. They can easily afford to deny Windows mobile.

    Most of tech sites as you call them are committed to iPhone or Android. I think (and hope) you and the 40 sites you follow are just ... wrong. As a matter of fact, nobody can predict what will be the future of windows phone, may it be hardware or software as it is deeply linked to Windows 10 and the Microsoft vision of the future : One Operating System to Rule them All. I love this vision and then I hope Microsoft will succeed in its way...
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    07-12-2015 05:59 PM
  14. Blacklac's Avatar
    Okay, I'll bite...you'll likely replace your phone either way in 2-3 years from now anyways. So why not keep it if you like the phone? It's not like the phone won't function.

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android on my BlackBerry Passport
    I have to agree, dumping the phone now made no sense, if that was the sole reason. Even if they stopped OS support, today, the phone/OS would still function properly.

    My BlackBerry Playbook still works like the day I bought it... One could argue that it was never supported. :D

    If people just realized you need to buy technological devices based on what they can do TODAY, you'd be alot better off. Buying a WP today still guarantees 2 years of support. You'll likely upgrade before you lost support assuming MS ditched the platform, which I'd put money on them not doing.

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
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    07-13-2015 02:16 PM
  15. Jeddic's Avatar
    The reason for doing it now is to get the losses in the quarter so the big gains next quarter can offset. It's a common technique to account for all the negatives at once so you can move on, in the shareholder's eyes.

    Microsoft is really bad at messaging, and everyone who writes on the internet loves to hate them and blow anything out of proportion, so of course this is what happens.
    07-15-2015 07:36 AM
  16. ohgood's Avatar
    "More importantly, the overall gist of the FAN websites like wpcentral are CHOCK FULL of arguing and doom/gloom posts, INSTEAD OF POSITIVE DEVELOPMENTS."

    How do you expect us to be positive, when the bad news are coming everyday and even from the mouth of MS CEO himself?! I think is time we should be leaving the ivory tower up there and take a good at the facts that WP is really really not just going to do well - even since after so many years of attempts by MS. Will Windows 10 and Universal apps really going to save the day??? Skeptical I remain.

    you've misunderstood my point. the arguing is higher frequency than positive development discussion. i'm not saying ANY website should candy-coat the bad issues, but the bickering and moderation is extremely heavy on wpcentral. being skeptical is good, and i agree with that as far as the company statements go, but the general users and dev's using the platform-specific website would normally be more positive instead of focusing on the negatives.

    does that make it clearer ? :)
    07-16-2015 01:19 AM
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