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  1. Slovenix's Avatar
    I want Notification Centre and Navigation bar both in translucent mode.
    Lol exactly my thoughts too :)
    08-12-2015 05:53 AM
  2. rhapdog's Avatar
    Okay, enough about Nav bar and notification centers, etc. Back on topic for me at least.

    I have been doing some extensive research on this topic the last couple of days.

    There is a uservoice for Windows Phone for OTG, which should definitely be linked in this topic.
    Uservoice: Need USB ON-THE-GO (OTG) in Windows Phone
    I've added all my remaining votes to this particular feature. I want it pretty bad.

    Doing research, I've learned that the S4 does indeed support USB OTG, as found in the manufacturer's overview for the S4.

    Reading further, I have learned that it is indeed the SoC that is used that determines whether or not the USB can act as OTG or not. It is either supported in the processor or not supported in the processor. Snapdragon S4 has it, the SoC used in the Lumia 635, 830, 640, 640 XL also has it. That's the Snapdragon 400 for those of you wondering. If the 400 has it, then I can only assume that all 4xx series has it, as well as higher series like 6xx and 8xx, as it would only be logical. I can guarantee that the 8xx series has it, as I have already found the phones with those models that contain OTG.

    All that is left to do is for Microsoft to include support in either software or firmware updates (read, Windows 10 for Mobile) and we'll have the support we need. Microsoft, however, will need to enable support for each of these specific processors, and I don't know if they will do it for all or just the flagship models. Hopefully for all that support it. If I understand it correctly, the Snapdragon 200 will not support OTG, which means nothing for the 520/521, etc.

    This has been a real headache trying to figure all this out. Only time will tell if we get it enabled. I'm holding on to the hope that we will. To me, this is certainly good news, if I'm correctly understanding all the technical white papers I've been reading lately.

    It would be great if it is enabled in this next build. Please, someone post back here and let us know when you test out the next 105xx build. If it has it, I may be getting back into the Insider for my phone.
    Last edited by rhapdog; 08-12-2015 at 10:37 AM.
    08-12-2015 10:22 AM
  3. TLuck Sharma's Avatar
    @rhapdog, thanks for letting us know about this good news, this does gives me positive vibes.
    The 105xx build is good(you'll have to hard reset your device once), and one major bug is that the Video playback is broken. Sometimes start screen shows loading screen if you have many tiles, and issue with Double security MS account.
    Other than that its quite stable. But still "broken video playback" is not quite acceptable at this stage of OS bug fixing.
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    and one more thing I forgot to tell you about latest build is that it doesn't have a Hotspot setting. This is also not a good thing.
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    and Groove crashes often.
    Last edited by xandros9; 08-12-2015 at 11:22 PM. Reason: posts merged
    08-12-2015 01:58 PM
  4. rhapdog's Avatar
    Yeah, I was reading the "bugs list" for it, and no way can I attempt this build. Sure wish they put in OTG for it.
    08-12-2015 03:58 PM
  5. TLuck Sharma's Avatar
    Yeah, I was reading the "bugs list" for it, and no way can I attempt this build. Sure wish they put in OTG for it.
    Amen :)
    08-13-2015 05:38 AM
  6. colinkiama's Avatar
    @rhapdog, thanks for letting us know about this good news, this does gives me positive vibes.
    The 105xx build is good(you'll have to hard reset your device once), and one major bug is that the Video playback is broken. Sometimes start screen shows loading screen if you have many tiles, and issue with Double security MS account.
    Other than that its quite stable. But still "broken video playback" is not quite acceptable at this stage of OS bug fixing.
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    and one more thing I forgot to tell you about latest build is that it doesn't have a Hotspot setting. This is also not a good thing.
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    and Groove crashes often.
    The video playback isn't broken. You just can't go full screen if you use the movies and tv app. Other video players and apps with video work fine.
    08-15-2015 09:29 AM
  7. Jezza's Avatar
    If you look through the comments of the user voice link, you will see this:

    Andrea [MSFT] commented May 12, 2015 21:26 Flag as inappropriate
    Hi, this is Andrea from the Microsoft USB team. I just wanted to update this thread and let you know that we have listened to your feedback and added USB Dual Role support to Windows 10. (Note, this feature will need new hardware,) Read more about this new feature on our USB Blog: New in Windows 10: USB Dual Role on Mobile - Microsoft Windows USB Core Team Blog - Site Home - MSDN Blogs

    Thanks to everyone for your suggestions and input
    So, this does show that is coming and we just have to be patient. I doubt they would put in this work for nothing. However, something that frustratingly negates rhapdog's analysis of the snap dragon processor, is the quote below. Which seems to suggest that Microsoft intend to do things a little differently.

    Please note, this feature will only be available on NEW Windows 10 devices that support USB Dual Role. This is because of the hardware changes required for the USB port to support device enumeration. While there are devices in the market today that have USB Dual Role capable controllers, the platforms were not designed to support USB Dual Role. New hardware may advertise that they are Dual Role capable.
    I guess we'll have to wait and see what this means for older hardware.
    nCogNeato likes this.
    08-16-2015 04:13 AM
  8. Oswald Trubger's Avatar
    I have an Android Tablet that doesn't have USB OTG, but I can use it if enable it via rooting AND using an self-powered USB device or hub, because the port isn't prepared/wired to provide power to external devices. Perhaps it's a similar situation.
    08-17-2015 09:10 AM
  9. Alain_A's Avatar
    I have the 830. the phone says Under USB " Only chargers and usb connections to pc are supported on this device"
    08-17-2015 10:33 AM
  10. rhapdog's Avatar
    It looks like Microsoft is going to force us to obtain a new phone with a USB type C connection in order to take advantage of it, though it isn't necessary.

    It also looks like they are going to USB 3.1 specification of OTG, which means it will not work with existing hardware on the market.

    Looks like I'll have to grab the Bluetooth keyboard on the cheap and use Miracast until I decide to make the plunge with new hardware.
    08-17-2015 11:31 AM
  11. heickelrrx's Avatar
    It looks like Microsoft is going to force us to obtain a new phone with a USB type C connection in order to take advantage of it, though it isn't necessary.

    It also looks like they are going to USB 3.1 specification of OTG, which means it will not work with existing hardware on the market.

    Looks like I'll have to grab the Bluetooth keyboard on the cheap and use Miracast until I decide to make the plunge with new hardware.
    IIt's not a force

    Sooner or later budget phone also get USB type C. Technology evolving dude
    08-17-2015 12:24 PM
  12. csd_images's Avatar
    All USB connections require a host controller and all devices communicate through that through a Master/Slave connection, it requires both firmware and hardware support not just on the SoC but also low-level power requirements, connector and mainboard design. This adds additional costs to manufacture which on a low-end device is already razor thin for something that is considered a low usage feature even on Android. Also the connection port is not always standard requiring an additional adaptor. All OTG Master devices require a Micro-AB port, if your phone doesn't have that then you won't get OTG from what I understand.
    08-17-2015 12:40 PM
  13. Alain_A's Avatar
    Well My Lumia 830; Miracast is working very good with the PTV3000
    08-17-2015 03:05 PM
  14. Jezza's Avatar
    Regardless, it would be silly to leave out any form of OTG or USB Dual Role with some of continuum's features. It would limit further potential for continuum if they left it out, in my opinion.
    08-18-2015 05:48 AM
  15. michail71's Avatar
    Thanks for your detailed info, So I guess the windows10 brings only a new UI and apps support, no new features. Please don't remind me about notification centre's more icon, these are not new features at all, these are basic things a OS should posses. "Features" and capabilities makes a particular OS different and attractive in market. I know the Continuum is pretty good feature for upcoming flagships but what about current windows phones?
    You kind of nailed it there. Win 10 so far is a new UI to support Continuum and universal and cross platform apps. If anything what made the platform good has been stripped away in the process. Feature sets have been oversimplified while at the same time the UI has become over complicated.

    I still have some hope but I fear WP10 will be what Win 8.0 was was to the desktop. If that's the case it could mean Microsoft's exit to the mobile OS and a refocus to being a services company to android/iOS.
    08-18-2015 08:53 AM
  16. mprebich's Avatar
    Okay, enough about Nav bar and notification centers, etc. Back on topic for me at least.

    I have been doing some extensive research on this topic the last couple of days.

    There is a uservoice for Windows Phone for OTG, which should definitely be linked in this topic.
    Uservoice: Need USB ON-THE-GO (OTG) in Windows Phone
    I've added all my remaining votes to this particular feature. I want it pretty bad.

    Doing research, I've learned that the S4 does indeed support USB OTG, as found in the manufacturer's overview for the S4.

    Reading further, I have learned that it is indeed the SoC that is used that determines whether or not the USB can act as OTG or not. It is either supported in the processor or not supported in the processor. Snapdragon S4 has it, the SoC used in the Lumia 635, 830, 640, 640 XL also has it. That's the Snapdragon 400 for those of you wondering. If the 400 has it, then I can only assume that all 4xx series has it, as well as higher series like 6xx and 8xx, as it would only be logical. I can guarantee that the 8xx series has it, as I have already found the phones with those models that contain OTG.

    All that is left to do is for Microsoft to include support in either software or firmware updates (read, Windows 10 for Mobile) and we'll have the support we need. Microsoft, however, will need to enable support for each of these specific processors, and I don't know if they will do it for all or just the flagship models. Hopefully for all that support it. If I understand it correctly, the Snapdragon 200 will not support OTG, which means nothing for the 520/521, etc.

    This has been a real headache trying to figure all this out. Only time will tell if we get it enabled. I'm holding on to the hope that we will. To me, this is certainly good news, if I'm correctly understanding all the technical white papers I've been reading lately.

    It would be great if it is enabled in this next build. Please, someone post back here and let us know when you test out the next 105xx build. If it has it, I may be getting back into the Insider for my phone.

    Thanks for your time to research this and post!

    I've always had the same argument to Microsoft about the ability to output digital audio through USB to use an external DAC. Since both iPhone and Android have been able to do this for a few versions at least, it must be in the SoC chips in our L930s, 1520s, etc.

    It is simply MS building it into the W10M.

    Why is that so difficult?
    08-19-2015 03:44 AM
  17. michail71's Avatar
    Why is that so difficult?
    They always seem to fall short on these deep features and focus on making things easy for "grandma". But the lack in all these deeper/advanced functionalities start adding up making this platform frustrating at times.

    They can't even seem to program the Bluetooth system to work as reliably as it does on iOS and Android.
    08-19-2015 08:56 AM
  18. colinkiama's Avatar
    They always seem to fall short on these deep features and focus on making things easy for "grandma". But the lack in all these deeper/advanced functionalities start adding up making this platform frustrating at times.

    They can't even seem to program the Bluetooth system to work as reliably as it does on iOS and Android.
    What if I told you, they are working on making their Bluetooth more reliable now?
    08-27-2015 08:17 AM
  19. xandros9's Avatar
    What if I told you, they are working on making their Bluetooth more reliable now?
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    09-01-2015 09:06 AM
  20. Mayur Baruah's Avatar
    Guys i just wanna know one thing. Will otg support in lumia 640 running on windows 10???
    09-02-2015 10:15 PM
  21. rhapdog's Avatar
    Guys i just wanna know one thing. Will otg support in lumia 640 running on windows 10???
    From what we've been able to learn, it is not expected, though no one will know for sure until windows 10 for mobile is final.
    09-02-2015 11:08 PM
  22. TLuck Sharma's Avatar
    From what we've been able to learn, it is not expected, though no one will know for sure until windows 10 for mobile is final.
    A thought always stuck in my mind that as it is said by Microsoft that it(W10 Mobile) is feature ready, so we can only expect many fixes in the OS, cz i think they don't want to do the same happened with W10, it's final release was very buggy. So in Mobile version they don't want to repeat this cz There are many user of W10 but W10 Mobile is still surviving for its existence, so it is their responsibility to release a stable and better version of W10 Mobile cz everyone is keeping eyes on W10 Mobile right now! So all these features we can expect in further GDRs. So that any new feature won't break the OS's stability as it can take a lot time to fix it again.(anything can happen while implementing new things) It is only my thought only! What do you think about it?
    09-02-2015 11:32 PM
  23. colinkiama's Avatar
    A thought always stuck in my mind that as it is said by Microsoft that it(W10 Mobile) is feature ready, so we can only expect many fixes in the OS, cz i think they don't want to do the same happened with W10, it's final release was very buggy. So in Mobile version they don't want to repeat this cz There are many user of W10 but W10 Mobile is still surviving for its existence, so it is their responsibility to release a stable and better version of W10 Mobile cz everyone is keeping eyes on W10 Mobile right now! So all these features we can expect in further GDRs. So that any new feature won't break the OS's stability as it can take a lot time to fix it again.(anything can happen while implementing new things) It is only my thought only! What do you think about it?
    It's not feature ready. It's ALMOST feature ready.
    xandros9 likes this.
    09-03-2015 01:18 AM
  24. TLuck Sharma's Avatar
    It's not feature ready. It's ALMOST feature ready.
    Exactly! But OTG support is not THAT feature which will fill the gap between "Feature ready" and "Almost Feature ready", I guess!
    09-03-2015 02:30 AM
  25. rhapdog's Avatar
    It's not feature ready. It's ALMOST feature ready.
    Exactly! But OTG support is not THAT feature which will fill the gap between "Feature ready" and "Almost Feature ready", I guess!
    Doesn't matter. OTG will be available. It's a hardware issue for the direction that Microsoft is wanting to go. They define the OTG as being more robust than the half-baked way that Android and iOS handle it. The hardware installed on current phones will not be able to take advantage of the higher and loftier goals that Microsoft has for OTG, which they are calling "Dual-Mode USB" to prevent confusion from it being the way Android and iOS does it. It will do everything iOS and Android does, and a whole lot more. It's going to be more like PC functionality instead of smart phone OTG.

    It's taken reading a lot of white papers to get at this, but this is what I've come up with.

    You can't hook up a 2TB HDD to an Android phone or iPad with OTG. You'll be able to with Windows 10. 'Nuff said. (not to mention promised printer support, etc.)
    xandros9 likes this.
    09-03-2015 09:55 AM
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