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  1. daniel cooper2's Avatar
    Why can't you guys understand that google and apple already had all their features planned out. Microsoft are letting us give them ideas for features to implement while they are still making the OS. Apple and android were in this state too but no one gets too see that. You just see the final or close to final product. Google and apple give you betas but Microsoft is giving you an alpha. Something that the public almost never have access to.
    this ain't no alpha build know what you're talking about before you post please. W10m suppose to be on flagship devices next month.
    09-26-2015 12:54 PM
  2. colinkiama's Avatar
    this ain't no alpha build know what you're talking about before you post please. W10m suppose to be on flagship devices next month.

    Yup, but who said those devices are getting released that month? Everybody knows Microsoft has long delays before a device is released.
    09-26-2015 01:28 PM
  3. slivy58's Avatar
    One thing that seems like people are not getting is that Microsoft is rumoured to launch Windows 10 Mobile next month, and you're talking about Alpha's? Really?! This is no Alpha anymore nor it should be a Beta, if they are really considering on realeasing this OS next month then they may just not do it! Are you kidding me?! I think many people are being manipulated by Microsoft and the media, they are telling you that they are putting a lot of work on the OS and that may not be all lies, but they make us feel confortable and secure giving us expectations that the next build will be A LOT better, and then, it just isn't, sometimes it is even worse!
    My experience with my 920 has been:
    Lock screen issues, performance issues (includes 10 to 30 secons of loading screens when opening and resuming apps, happens with the Start Screen too), battery issues (for how long?), apps crashing whenever they feel like it, the OS just feels very incomplete (example: the Messaging app is still terrible, it takes lots of time to load, loading conversations is a pain, it has no personalization features or even animations like the other apps, Settings takes a bit to load too, crashes as much as any other app, doesn't have animations when backing out, the Store is slow, it is buggy, I can see sometimes the edges of the store screen showing a border line from the apps that I am downloading, not to mention the loading screen where the Store logo just disappears and it's just a blue screen, snapshots of apps when you're not in them are showing incorrectly when resuming and so on...). I mean, I was excited for this OS, and I still am, but Microsoft is stabbing us, Windows 10 Mobile is not what I expected, be real and face the facts, if you could go back to see how Windows Phone 8.1 looked when it was available trough Preview for Developers, you could actually see that it was much more stable!
    Now everybody can yell at me saying that it is very hard to make an OS, and I say: AM I MICROSOFT?! A company that is on the marke for more than 3 decades?! Grow up guys, face the facts, if we don't tell them what's wrong and get mad they will just keep doing the sh** they've been doing! Don't get me wrong, I love Windows Phone/Mobile, but it is not nearly good or complete!

    Compare build 10536.1004 to 10166 and you'll see little difference in performance.
    Well said and I totally agree, now that I'm attempting to get build 10536 setup on my L830 it is apparent that MS has a long way to go if my experience is any indication, haven't even got to the point of actually using the phone for its intended purpose because the "personalization" process has been painfully slow (lagging/resuming/crashes to name a few).

    All I can say, when comparing builds 10166 to 10536 is "WHOOP DEE DOO!", very underwhelmed at this point with little in the wind to say that'll change anytime soon, the picture kind of looks bleak to me especially if MS continues their "baby steppin". And to quote WC, "Microsoft has a lot to overcome in the following months", very much understated in my eyes, whether they'll succeed is anyone's guess but at this rate it is not looking too favourable.
    Last edited by Elky64; 09-26-2015 at 03:28 PM.
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    09-26-2015 01:58 PM
  4. slivy58's Avatar
    Why can't you guys understand that google and apple already had all their features planned out. Microsoft are letting us give them ideas for features to implement while they are still making the OS. Apple and android were in this state too but no one gets too see that. You just see the final or close to final product. Google and apple give you betas but Microsoft is giving you an alpha. Something that the public almost never have access to.
    If what you are saying is that Google and Apple did everything internally w/o "user" input then why is MS so slow at implementing when they essentially have "thousands" more on their team (us beta testers)?

    Yes the completion was in that state too but that was way back when, it is now 2015 and MS has chosen the "long route" which ain't helping market shares nor anything else, and as for betas and alphas, I'm sure the masses don't care as they want something that works, is stable and delivered on time, we're getting buried here as I see it.
    09-26-2015 02:19 PM
  5. Gavinr98's Avatar
    One thing that seems like people are not getting is that Microsoft is rumoured to launch Windows 10 Mobile next month, and you're talking about Alpha's? Really?! This is no Alpha anymore nor it should be a Beta, if they are really considering on realeasing this OS next month then they may just not do it! Are you kidding me?! I think many people are being manipulated by Microsoft and the media, they are telling you that they are putting a lot of work on the OS and that may not be all lies, but they make us feel confortable and secure giving us expectations that the next build will be A LOT better, and then, it just isn't, sometimes it is even worse!
    My experience with my 920 has been:
    Lock screen issues, performance issues (includes 10 to 30 secons of loading screens when opening and resuming apps, happens with the Start Screen too), battery issues (for how long?), apps crashing whenever they feel like it, the OS just feels very incomplete (example: the Messaging app is still terrible, it takes lots of time to load, loading conversations is a pain, it has no personalization features or even animations like the other apps, Settings takes a bit to load too, crashes as much as any other app, doesn't have animations when backing out, the Store is slow, it is buggy, I can see sometimes the edges of the store screen showing a border line from the apps that I am downloading, not to mention the loading screen where the Store logo just disappears and it's just a blue screen, snapshots of apps when you're not in them are showing incorrectly when resuming and so on...). I mean, I was excited for this OS, and I still am, but Microsoft is stabbing us, Windows 10 Mobile is not what I expected, be real and face the facts, if you could go back to see how Windows Phone 8.1 looked when it was available trough Preview for Developers, you could actually see that it was much more stable!
    Now everybody can yell at me saying that it is very hard to make an OS, and I say: AM I MICROSOFT?! A company that is on the marke for more than 3 decades?! Grow up guys, face the facts, if we don't tell them what's wrong and get mad they will just keep doing the sh** they've been doing! Don't get me wrong, I love Windows Phone/Mobile, but it is not nearly good or complete!

    Compare build 10536.1004 to 10166 and you'll see little difference in performance.
    You are using an L920 ... what more do you expect!! ... This OS is not designed for the older hardware. I have a L920 and a L1520 and there is no comparison ... Agreed that the OS is buggy, but come on its not released yet. You are complaining that Apple puts out perfect OS's but try and put IOS9 on an iPhone3G and see how it behaves ... wont be pretty. Microsoft has released preview builds for a reason, get feedback on how you want the product to be, Apple and Android does not do this... If you are going to complain about preview builds, don't download them and wait for the RTM, if you don't like it then, then you can start complaining.
    09-26-2015 04:59 PM
  6. slivy58's Avatar
    You are using an L920 ... what more do you expect!! ... This OS is not designed for the older hardware.
    Going by your logic my L830 is close to be designated "too old" to run W10 M and it just may be if MS continues at this pace, since my Ativ S and L1020 (2 gigs ram) have same/similar hardware as L920 guess I can forget about them ever getting it or it running decently. Seems to me I've read many a posts that touted how WM OS was soooo much better than the competition because, hardware wasn't as much of a factor so we didn't need that BIG cpu, mega ram and so on, guessing you're not one of them or are you?... Apple supports devices as far back as 2011 (not saying it works great), yet with your analogy we're going to be lucky to have anything older than 2014 officially supported.

    Agreed that the OS is buggy, but come on its not released yet.
    And there lies the problem, it is supposedly just around the corner and looking at the latest build (10536.1004) on my L830 and I'm like "Whaaat, are you kidding me!", see very little that is going to light that fire if this is what is to be expected, obviously many don't share my opinion but on the other hand, many do. :-)

    You are complaining that Apple puts out perfect OS's but try and put IOS9 on an iPhone3G and see how it behaves ... wont be pretty.
    OK did I miss something or was it just that you couldn't resist the urge to diss the competition? I don't think anyone in their right mind would state there is a "perfect" OS and that it doesn't have its share of problems, no such beast exists.

    Microsoft has released preview builds for a reason, get feedback on how you want the product to be.
    Well you'd think with all the extra "free" help they are getting it would speed up the process, obviously that isn't the case.

    If you are going to complain about preview builds, don't download them and wait for the RTM, if you don't like it then, then you can start complaining.
    It is human nature to complain, put that together with MSs "one step forward two steps back" approach then the hackles begin to rise... I'm not sure if you are aware but there is more at stake here than the OS itself, if it fails to spark interest then the WP ecosystem loses as a whole along with the consumer, being a WP user and fan since 2012 (before that too but not pertinent here), I know all too well the frustrations in trying to get a WP, apps, accessories and so fourth, sure there are other avenues to say purchase a WP but not everyone wants to go those routes nor has the choice. I'm sure many loyalist are cringing seeing how things have played out in the past couple of years, it's assured most thought we'd be at a much different point of the game compared to were we sit now, in my opinion if this launch of W10M and the new handsets are a fail then there is only one thing to do, "FIRE THE COACH!" ;-)
    Last edited by Elky64; 09-27-2015 at 04:00 PM.
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    09-26-2015 10:06 PM
  7. colinkiama's Avatar
    If what you are saying is that Google and Apple did everything internally w/o "user" input then why is MS so slow at implementing when they essentially have "thousands" more on their team (us beta testers)?

    Yes the completion was in that state too but that was way back when, it is now 2015 and MS has chosen the "long route" which ain't helping market shares nor anything else, and as for betas and alphas, I'm sure the masses don't care as they want something that works, is stable and delivered on time, we're getting buried here as I see it.
    One day, the OS will be feature locked and will look more and more like the Android and iOS Betas, for now, Microsoft are still adding features so expect bugs. Lots and lots of bugs...
    09-26-2015 11:58 PM
  8. slivy58's Avatar
    One day, the OS will be feature locked and will look more and more like the Android and iOS Betas, for now, Microsoft are still adding features so expect bugs. Lots and lots of bugs...
    For me it has nothing to do with how similar or dissimilar we are to Android/IOS OSs nor just the "bugs", it more has to do with our status in the market place, what will result in the short term, and what negative impact W10M has caused to stunt the growth of WPs. Yep that's what I said, negative, it stand to reason that another revamp is going to cause skepticism amongst many, add in some of the other hiccups that happened in the past year or so and people are going to think twice before coming onboard, me thinks we will be feeling the negative effects looong after the event bugs or no bugs.
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    09-27-2015 02:46 AM
  9. a5cent's Avatar
    Well you'd think with all the extra "free" help they are getting it would speed up the process, obviously that isn't the case.
    This is likely a popular misconception. The insider preview program doesn't make MS any faster. Very much the opposite actually.

    Just the people MS have assigned to evaluate and organize the largely low quality feedback are likely quite a drain (depending on how seriously they take it). Two weeks ago the team had to focus on getting a build out to frustrated insiders, requiring them to implement fixes specifically for the insider preview... time the team could instead have spent on real features. Currently the team is working on a way to allow HTC 8x users to recover their devices which the insider preview bricked... more work that wouldn't be necessary if the insider preview didn't exist. Also consider the gazillions of additional hours MS has spent testing preview builds on every model variant, to ensure they are suitable for release. That's a lot of additional work that would be unnecessary without the preview program.

    All the while, MS also employs their own professional testing staff. These are the guys that deliver most of MS' testing feedback. In no way does the community reduce the effort MS must expend on professional and automated testing, as that is required regardless.

    By the end of this year, the W10M insider preview program will have cost MS at least a few million. It is anything but free!
    Last edited by a5cent; 09-27-2015 at 06:49 AM. Reason: formatting
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    09-27-2015 03:10 AM
  10. colinkiama's Avatar
    For me it has nothing to do with how similar or dissimilar we are to Android/IOS OSs nor just the "bugs", it more has to do with our status in the market place, what will result in the short term, and what negative impact W10M has caused to stunt the growth of WPs. Yep that's what I said, negative, it stand to reason that another revamp is going to cause skepticism amongst many, add in some of the other hiccups that happened in the past year or so and people are going to think twice before coming onboard, me thinks we will be feeling the negative effects looong after the event bugs or no bugs.
    Negative? What's wrong with having a revamp?
    09-27-2015 03:47 AM
  11. chasvs's Avatar
    Was running 10536 on my Lumia Icon since release as my Daily Driver. Over time battery got better but overall performance got worse. As of yesterday I went back to my Backup Icon running Win8.1 and will probably stay there until the 950 is released with Win10.
    09-27-2015 06:49 AM
  12. Arievl's Avatar
    Why is everybody complaining? If you want a stable OS, use 8.1. Nobody is obliged to use 10 yet. If you are getting frustrated by non-stable builds, just sit back and wait for the commercial release of W10 mobile.
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    09-27-2015 07:49 AM
  13. Eren68's Avatar
    Lumia 930 here, and I love this version. The only crash I've had is the camera app. I take a photo, then try to view it: That's when the app closes......Then there's the minor lag on the lock screen, and the Outlook tiles 'refreshing' every now and then. Other than that, it's a very pleasant experience. Sorry to all those that are experiencing issues that are not present on my device. The ONLY thing I could wish for is custom email sounds for each individual mailbox, but that will come in time I'm sure :)
    09-27-2015 09:06 AM
  14. cannyboy's Avatar
    Lumia 830 here.
    Been a long time MSFT fan but this OS is really testing my patience.
    It seems to be getting worse with each build.

    The 10536 seemed ok at the start, and then performance of apps got very bad - 20 secs resumes as reported by others.
    The photo app sucks - you take a photo and it's not available to use in any apps.
    Bluetooth gone again. Battery life sucks.

    The camera button broke during the week and a trip to the MSFT store was light years behind the experience at apple.
    It's like these guys do not want to keep existing business. (Can't blame 10536 for this!) Sorry sir, you'll have to take that up with nokia.....

    These are basic basic issues, and it baffles me that some very basic testing is not finding these.
    I know these are preview builds, but they are only damaging their brand shipping junk like this.

    How they think this will be ready for an Oct 5 presentation is beyond me.
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    09-27-2015 09:42 AM
  15. ReverendSlim's Avatar
    So yesterday, my 925 that I had this build on and then reverted back to WP8.1 had to be charged twice... and then was 100% dead by midnight. Odd that the bad battery life of this build persisted after I flashed the phone back to WP8.1. Any ideas on what I could try to correct it? Nothing obvious shows as far as background apps, so I'm not sure what's going on. The problem started with the 10536 build, and apparently a good number of 925 users have reported it. I thought going back to 8.1 would be the solution, but nope.
    09-27-2015 09:53 AM
  16. Dusan Randj's Avatar
    First few days after flashing let the phone compile,things in background and do the stuff. After few days battery life is always better.
    09-27-2015 10:00 AM
  17. sheldon cohn's Avatar
    The build has a major bug is why it won't install on several phones, without user intervention of having
    to do a hard reset in order for it to install. What I read on Windows Central, I'm better off with build
    10512 then 10536. I had to do a hard reset once to get a build to install and it took over 3 hours to load
    then I could get the next build with took 2 more hours. I really don't want to have to hard reset again
    just for a build to install, Microsoft needs to correct their mistakes to the build will install correctly.
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    09-27-2015 10:16 AM
  18. Nam Long's Avatar
    This build 10536 gave me mixed feelings after about nearly 2 weeks.
    - pros : One-handed mode , Mobile hotspot and no blinking , better performance and Folder in Photos app .
    - cons : Random reboot about 3-4 times a day ( I did go from 10512 to 8.1 then up to 10536.1004 and hard reset right after ) , some apps start very slowly and Microsoft Edge still crashes frequently .
    Overall a great build but that Random reboot need fixes soon since it didn't happen before
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    09-27-2015 10:28 AM
  19. cannyboy's Avatar
    I've thrown in the towel and gone back to 8.1 having been a tester for a long time now.
    See u guys on the full release version, but not worth the number of hard resets for me to continue down this road.
    09-27-2015 11:00 AM
  20. safariking's Avatar
    Even beta software gets better each build. This build is trash. How long they been working on 10 mobile? They still have lock screen issues, battery issues,memory, issues, lag issues ,overheating issues ,performance issues, please the list just keeps going. The truth is Microsoft is not putting enough resources into w10m. The w10m team and their supervisors would have been fired if they worked for apple or android. it's alot if money riding on this windows 10 mobile but I can't tell. By the way the new iPhone hit the stores today.
    I don't care about Crapple and why do we keep crying about every BETA! build just be happy Microsoft let us be testers and you know before installing your phone will become unstable.
    09-27-2015 11:40 AM
  21. slivy58's Avatar
    Negative? What's wrong with having a revamp?
    Well, my take is it’s another wrench being thrown into the mix in the already struggling WP market, it is an added cause of uncertainty as to where WP is heading, until W10M comes to fruition and proves itself you’ll see many electing to wait on the sidelines rather than investing, the negative I speak of.

    Just look back at the history and see what began to transpire in early 2014 (drop in market shares for one), a lot has happened since then but I view many of them as strikes against WP, the Nokia acquisition did nothing to help either, out of it we ended up with many mid-range/budget phones. There hasn’t been a premium device since late-2013 and I strongly agree this has done little for the betterment of WP, it’s already been proven the “low-end” will be left out in the cold in regards to certain features.

    So what does the future hold with the advent of W10M and the newly to-be announced phones, will it as a whole spark enough interest that developers will flock to create new apps, will carriers in my part of the world offer those devices along with colour choices (if available), will top phone accessory manufactures begin offering premium cases for said devices. As it stands now everything I mentioned has been dismal here in Canada and I see nothing that’ll change it in the short-term, from my perspective, we’ve already lost close to 2 years of progressing in the mobile phone market which equates to much more in the techno world.
    Last edited by Elky64; 09-27-2015 at 03:49 PM.
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    09-27-2015 02:54 PM
  22. DaxeTM's Avatar
    You are using an L920 ... what more do you expect!! ... This OS is not designed for the older hardware. I have a L920 and a L1520 and there is no comparison ... Agreed that the OS is buggy, but come on its not released yet. You are complaining that Apple puts out perfect OS's but try and put IOS9 on an iPhone3G and see how it behaves ... wont be pretty. Microsoft has released preview builds for a reason, get feedback on how you want the product to be, Apple and Android does not do this... If you are going to complain about preview builds, don't download them and wait for the RTM, if you don't like it then, then you can start complaining.
    1. What more do I expect?! Really?! Who said that EVERY SINGLE device running WP 8.1 was going to be supported with a W10M version?!
    2. Even though a L920 is an old phone, it still is a very powerful phone for a dual-core and a 1GB RAM.
    3. The Lumia 1520 is considered old for many, it even came with WP 8! The difference between that and the L920 is just that the L1520 is a way more powerful flagship than L920!
    4. It's not possible to put iOS 9 on a 3G.
    5. There's no such thing as a perfect OS.
    6. I am using these builds to HELP Microsoft OPTIMIZE PERFORMANCE, and make them see what features the public needs (I've been hearing feedback from my friends who are not willing to install these previews) and what I am actually seeing is that they don't even care if the build is actually okay or not to run on a device, I mean, obviously there is something written in the Terms & Conditions of the Insider Program that states that it could harm our devices, but I am no technician, so, I am helping Microsoft but they won't do whatever they can do in order for us to be safe with our devices? Nice trade...
    7. To be honest, I don't really see the point for a preview program since it is only slowing down things and they are listening to little of what we're saying.
    8. I don't think you should really tell me if I should or not download these builds, if I am willing to support Microsoft, then I SHOULD download these builds, as much as Microsoft SHOULD fix their serious issues!
    9. I am only complaining because we're really close to the release and W10M is having terrible performance issues, wether it is in games or the core experience, it feels buggy, incomplete and overall the UI still needs adjustments and WP was famous for being the most optimized OS that could run on very low hardware without lags, all these problems are to be fixed in a matter of weeks when they had a whole year to do this, and they actually said they were going to focus on W10M after the W10 Desktop release, what have we seen? More desktop releases than Mobile ones. What's that? Oh, W10 Desktop version can be updated trough Windows Update? Great! And it still felt incomplete before the release, not only that but even if the desktop version is the priority because of it's value on the market, how are they supposed to try and sell an OS if they don't even care enough with their system?!

    I think you guys are being fooled by Microsoft, but we'll see how it goes. I've been a fan of WP since 2013 and I always stood for WP saying it was the best OS and that it would be so much better, but after seeing what Microsoft is doing, I'm losing a lot of faith.
    By the way... Microsoft seems to have just one team working on both OS'es, I am actually curious to know how many people is that, because they fired 7500 people, or around that number from the OSG team, right? Whatever...

    Now don't take me wrong guys, I am on Windows Phone because I don't believe an iPhone should be that expensive and I don't believe that Android is a good operating system, but I am running out of options here and I know that I am not the only one in this position. However, I am praying for Microsoft to release W10M final build with lots and lots and lots of improvements in relation to these builds, even though I don't know anymore... Whenever I think that a simple thing like a pinch to zoom function in the photos app that was asked to be fixed months ago is still to be fixed I get tired.
    But that's just me, believe in whatever you want. All I know is that some of my friends with other OS's mock me because of the misery that W10M is right now, I'm still dreaming the day I am going to school and I'm going to show my friend (which has an iPhone 5C) that my phone was cheaper than his and can do better than his, because I believe it can, Microsoft is just the problem here with their coding...
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    09-27-2015 03:21 PM
  23. Webmaster2015's Avatar
    Windows 10 Mobile Build 10536:

    Much better than 10166 on my Lumia 635. Here's what I noticed:
    Most of the bugs I encountered on 10166 have been removed (including the one with not being able to set lock screen notifications).
    Is much more stable. I don't see as many app crashes (Microsoft Edge hasn't changed, though)
    Ringtones have to be put in .m4r format (just convert it to .m4a and then rename the file extension to .m4r)
    Office Apps are called "Preview" in the store but just display their names minus the "Preview" in the app list.
    Messaging app tile stops working after the app is updated. Needs to be repinned.

    After the Fast Configuration update, the animations became more smoother, and the OS became slightly faster.
    That's my review.
    09-27-2015 05:40 PM
  24. Sherif Hafez's Avatar
    Is there a way to change the glance screen settings in this build after hard reset? SystemAppPusher does not work and the app is not in store any more.
    09-27-2015 07:18 PM
  25. Matteo X's Avatar
    Why can't you guys understand that google and apple already had all their features planned out. Microsoft are letting us give them ideas for features to implement while they are still making the OS. Apple and android were in this state too but no one gets too see that. You just see the final or close to final product. Google and apple give you betas but Microsoft is giving you an alpha. Something that the public almost never have access to.
    I don't doubt that. My concerns relate to the resources they devotes to Microsoft Mobile. Also some topics don't seem to be part of Microsoft's intentions, as the battery consumption due to a lack of services and optimization applications. I'm not just talking about windows10 but windows8.1 too where ie was like an washing machine. I don't know if it's lack of expertise in the Mobile or other knowns however, than the desktop sector, solutions are much slower and almost never outright. This is my impression, then what happens to Redmond I do not know, if someone told me I'd know. I love windowsphone.
    09-28-2015 03:07 AM
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