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  1. devlam's Avatar
    Yesterday I did my first W10 Mobile install on Lumia820. Installed using region US and did also a hard reset.
    Also changed to Netherlands but then also no Here Drive+ and Here Maps available. This are must have apps for me so this is a big disappointment.
    Also from lock-screen to start-screen is very slow. Loading.... messages.
    So I'm going back as quick as I can to WP8.1
    08-15-2015 12:48 PM
  2. Josef Rokos's Avatar
    On my 1020, both Here Map and Drive are present. I did also hard reset. Though lock screen to start screen is slow...
    08-15-2015 12:55 PM
  3. Asskickulater's Avatar
    Yesterday I did my first W10 Mobile install on Lumia820. Installed using region US and did also a hard reset.
    Also changed to Netherlands but then also no Here Drive+ and Here Maps available. This are must have apps for me so this is a big disappointment.
    Also from lock-screen to start-screen is very slow. Loading.... messages.
    So I'm going back as quick as I can to WP8.1
    You know, you COULD give microsoft's replacement a chance before instantly discarding it and complaining that the old apps aren't there.
    TK2011 likes this.
    08-15-2015 03:14 PM
  4. Ssrki's Avatar
    Yes, ms app is not so bad, but for me big mistake of ms maps is that I can't change voice navigation language. Language is linked with phone language. For me Here Maps is gone but here drive is still present.
    08-15-2015 04:13 PM
  5. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    On my 1020, both Here Map and Drive are present. I did also hard reset. Though lock screen to start screen is slow...
    Same, the HERE apps are still there, and the lockscreen is really slow to open.
    08-15-2015 04:19 PM
  6. Asskickulater's Avatar
    Yes, ms app is not so bad, but for me big mistake of ms maps is that I can't change voice navigation language. Language is linked with phone language. For me Here Maps is gone but here drive is still present.
    And I have to ask.. WHY exactly would you want the navigation language to be different from your phone...? This sounds like just complaining for the sake of complaining here..
    08-15-2015 05:49 PM
  7. mcheiron's Avatar
    And I have to ask.. WHY exactly would you want the navigation language to be different from your phone...? This sounds like just complaining for the sake of complaining here..
    If you have to ask you have never lived in a different country that has a different language than yours as main language. It is nice to have for some things your native language on the phone, while some main features of WP don't work if you would change your WP to anything but English. If everything is available in all languages, there wouldn't be a need for it.
    Ssrki, shaunydub, Al4video and 1 others like this.
    08-15-2015 05:56 PM
  8. devlam's Avatar
    You know, you COULD give microsoft's replacement a chance before instantly discarding it and complaining that the old apps aren't there.
    I would have but could not find a replacement. I looked for it in the app maps (I think that was the name) but could not discover any navigation functionality. Can you tell me the name of the app? Can it import favorites off here drive+?
    08-16-2015 10:26 AM
  9. devlam's Avatar
    But is it really a replacement. Will here drive+ and here maps not be available in w10 mobile?
    08-16-2015 10:33 AM
  10. michail71's Avatar
    While the new maps has some similar features it seems to have a smaller feature set, much like everything else in Win 10. So if we get less functionality from the new version it makes sense Microsoft will remove it, that's what they like to do.

    Comparing HERE to the new maps it looks like they took out all the extra features and the only added feature is a hamburger menu containing 3D cities.

    Then the routing was kind of odd on the new one. I did something I normally do which is lookup directions and start the navigation when I was near my destination. The new map wanted me to drive all the way back to where I had originally started. It kept that up for a rather long while.
    Last edited by michail71; 08-16-2015 at 04:37 PM.
    08-16-2015 12:00 PM
  11. realwarder's Avatar
    What features are missing in the new Maps? I can find thing and navigate so core function is there. Useful features like favorites are synced with the desktop. There is the little around me icon which finds things close by that I like.
    08-16-2015 04:42 PM
  12. Asskickulater's Avatar
    I would have but could not find a replacement. I looked for it in the app maps (I think that was the name) but could not discover any navigation functionality. Can you tell me the name of the app? Can it import favorites off here drive+?
    Here drive capabilities exist inside Microsoft maps, and is using the same maps as Here, unfortunately, I don't think you can import here drive's favorites.

    To get the gps going just tap the hamburger menu and select directions, then select your starting position and your destination (by default your starting position is your current position) after you've typed the location press search and select it, then you'll be moved to the gps navigation.
    08-16-2015 05:44 PM
  13. TK2011's Avatar
    What features are missing in the new Maps? I can find thing and navigate so core function is there. Useful features like favorites are synced with the desktop. There is the little around me icon which finds things close by that I like.
    I still need to use it more for better feel, but I actually like the new Maps so far because it's tightly sync'ed with the new Bing map which is essentially the same mapping data as here.com but with better features IMO. Managing favorites in here.com was okay but somewhat slow on my PC. Also, Here Drive+ doesn't let me search my saved favorites or pick through the categories. It's not a big deal if you have only a few entries but it's a major pain if you have a long list of saved places. In fact, I always launch Here map which makes it a bit easier to choose my destination and then launch Drive+ from there. With the new Maps, it's all in one app and it seems to run very fast.
    Al4video likes this.
    08-16-2015 06:00 PM
  14. anthonyng's Avatar
    Man they need an import,

    I migrated from google My Maps, to Nokia's mapping service with collections and now if it's going, I gotta do it again for microsoft favourites? Well I was annoyed that cortana couldn't see any of my Here favourites.....
    Jakoh and hairychad like this.
    08-16-2015 06:22 PM
  15. michail71's Avatar
    What features are missing in the new Maps? I can find thing and navigate so core function is there. Useful features like favorites are synced with the desktop. There is the little around me icon which finds things close by that I like.
    The augmented reality view is gone. Also, HERE Drive had the My Commute, ability to set route settings (toll, dirt roads, etc.) and had a UI much better suited to using in a car. Nearby was simpler and quicker to use in HERE.

    Overall the map UI just feels more thrown together and less optimized for phone and car use. But that argument has been made about WP 10 in general.

    But the integration with Cortana data is nice.
    08-16-2015 07:14 PM
  16. michail71's Avatar
    Just discovered another thing the map app lacks. A driving mode when not in an active route navigation. You just get north up wide zoom.
    08-16-2015 07:43 PM
  17. mjrtoo's Avatar
    Just discovered another thing the map app lacks. A driving mode when not in an active route navigation. You just get north up wide zoom.
    You can touch the grid and get a different view, but what would you want?
    08-16-2015 07:57 PM
  18. michail71's Avatar
    Just open up HERE Drive and drive around. You'll see what I mean. The new map doesn't have a 3D driving mode.

    When I went on the feedback it seemed to be a common complaint that the UI was not car friendly. Elements too small, hard to read, hard to touch, poor use of space, bad landscape mode, etc. were all mentioned.
    08-16-2015 08:56 PM
  19. Teo Bartulovic's Avatar
    And I have to ask.. WHY exactly would you want the navigation language to be different from your phone...? This sounds like just complaining for the sake of complaining here..
    Not so strange, I prefer English as phone language but at the same time I prefer voice navigation to be on my native Croatian language...
    devlam likes this.
    08-17-2015 02:50 AM
  20. mjyumping's Avatar
    Will I lose the Lumia and Here apps when I hard reset? Yes or no
    08-17-2015 03:00 AM
  21. divyan's Avatar
    My experience is that Here drive is very slow to sync with GPS. Especially if I stop in a traffic signal for a minute, then start the car. While testing a known route, it asked me to take a left instead of a right. Then after I drove 50 meters in the right direction, Here drive rerouted to show the correct road. Later on, it took me to a dead end and then went into endless loop.

    This happened on TP 10512.

    PS : This is not a complaint or whining, while I love the new Here Maps, there are things MS still should streamline.
    08-17-2015 03:47 AM
  22. realwarder's Avatar
    The augmented reality view is gone. Also, HERE Drive had the My Commute, ability to set route settings (toll, dirt roads, etc.) and had a UI much better suited to using in a car. Nearby was simpler and quicker to use in HERE.

    Overall the map UI just feels more thrown together and less optimized for phone and car use. But that argument has been made about WP 10 in general.

    But the integration with Cortana data is nice.
    If you tell Cortana where your Work location is she will optionally give traffic info/trip time to work which is what the My Commute was. In fact she does it for all meetings too so that feature is done another way.

    When you ask for directions the Options section allows selection of Toll roads etc.

    I agree Augmented view is gone though.
    08-17-2015 07:35 AM
  23. Ed Boland's Avatar
    Will I lose the Lumia and Here apps when I hard reset? Yes or no
    Not sure. I think it might depend on your region. I installed 10512 on my AT&T (U.S.) 1520 and did a hard reset and found HERE Drive and HERE maps installed by default (as part of my phone's "stock apps") strangely enough. Of course they had to update through the store along with about 37 other apps.
    08-17-2015 07:52 AM
  24. heickelrrx's Avatar
    I think HERE suite are need to get updated for windows 10

    Don't expect see them in preview
    08-17-2015 08:20 AM
  25. michail71's Avatar
    Well, HERE seems to be there (sorry, had to say that). I've got it now but haven't hard reset either. It doesn't show in the store but that doesn't always mean it can't install.

    Cortana knows my work and home but doesn't seem to alert me to issues like MyCommute did on HERE. Perhaps I need to check more closely.

    I guess the big issues then are poor UI for use in car (all over feedback too), no 3D driving mode outside of an actual route and no augmented reality.

    Biggest thing people on feedback are mentioning is confusing controls, hard to read and poor use of space.

    I figure it is that way because they are trying to make it a universal app on the desktop and phone. However, trying to be both it fails to excel at either. I fear this may be the result of designing for Continuum.
    08-17-2015 10:38 AM
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