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  1. AnkitGondalia's Avatar
    Another day without mobile build.. :/ Whats the matter? They said they are going to be serious about W10M but it doesn't look like.. All they care about is pc builds.. Even after the official release, pc builds are still given priority & are still ahead of mobile build.
    09-02-2015 10:47 AM
  2. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Does it really matter how long it takes? It's just a build, nothing more.

    I don't get the whining. Let them concentrate on getting the OS right rather than releasing builds. That's my opinion. A build is nothing more than a thing for the users to complain it would seem.
    09-02-2015 10:53 AM
  3. AnkitGondalia's Avatar
    Does it really matter how long it takes? It's just a build, nothing more.

    I don't get the whining. Let them concentrate on getting the OS right rather than releasing builds. That's my opinion. A build is nothing more than a thing for the users to complain it would seem.
    'Let them concentrate on getting the OS right rather than releasing builds'? Then why do we have this TPP? Whats the meaning of keeping insider slow and insider fast when they both are slow as hell?
    09-02-2015 10:58 AM
  4. aximtreo's Avatar
    Maybe it's just to antagonize people who have little patience. Official release is just a few weeks away and we may only get one more pre-release if that so we all wait.
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    09-02-2015 11:02 AM
  5. a5cent's Avatar
    a) When was the last build released?
    b) how often are we intended to get builds?
    c) How far does that put them "behind schedule"?
    d) How far behind schedule must one be to deserve being called "slow as hell"?
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    09-02-2015 11:22 AM
  6. tangledW's Avatar
    Yeah!
    I demand they release an update that will brick my phone immediately!!!!!
    09-02-2015 11:27 AM
  7. Aurelink's Avatar
    I'd rather wait a bit more and have a few more bugfixes and more stabilization than rushing into a build that's not worth it.
    N_LaRUE likes this.
    09-02-2015 11:44 AM
  8. safariking's Avatar
    a) When was the last build released?
    b) how often are we intended to get builds?
    c) How far does that put them "behind schedule"?
    d) How far behind schedule must one be to deserve being called "slow as hell"?
    a) Not even 1 month
    b) No one knows
    c) Not even behind shedule
    d) Not fair to say slow as hell
    a5cent, N_LaRUE, nohra and 1 others like this.
    09-02-2015 12:04 PM
  9. seb_r's Avatar
    It is done when it's done. WP is not playing an important role for the company since it not gained any serious marketshare. And there is no evidence that this will change with the release of Win10 mobile. They focus on the desktop version.
    Those who craving for Win10 mobile are mostly those fanboys who praise anything that MS delivers to them, no matter what and when, and like it.
    So really no need for MS to rush.
    09-02-2015 01:39 PM
  10. rayf888's Avatar
    They are probably still waiting someone higher up to make a decision on the hamburger menus.... really...
    09-02-2015 05:57 PM
  11. a5cent's Avatar
    a) Not even 1 month
    b) No one knows
    c) Not even behind schedule
    d) Not fair to say slow as hell
    That wasn't your homework you did there, but you get the prize anyway!

    You're right that MS didn't explicitly state their planned release cadence for phones, but if it's intended to be similar to the W10 insider preview for PC's, then MS are aiming for about one insider preview per month. Some builds will occasionally take longer.

    If the latest build is not even a month old, how in the world are MS slow? You're right. They just aren't.

    @AnkitGondalia
    Coordinating the tasks of thousands of engineers, all of whom work on a code base which shares many components between xbox, PCs, servers, phones and IoT devices (MS must ensure that changes to xbox don't break phones etc) while ensuring that the development process leads to one build per month that can be released to a software illiterate public, is no small feat!

    If you've ever worked on a project of that size and complexity you'll know it's not comparable to peeling potatoes.
    Last edited by a5cent; 09-03-2015 at 09:42 AM. Reason: spelling
    09-02-2015 06:59 PM
  12. safariking's Avatar
    That wasn't your homework you did there, but you get the prize anyway!

    You're right that MS didn't explicitly state their planned release cadence for phones, but if it's intended to be similar to the W10 insider preview for PC's, then MS are aiming for about one insider preview per month. Some builds will occasionally take longer.

    If the latest build is not even a month old, how in the world are MS slow? You're right. They just aren't.

    @AnkitGondalia
    Coordinating the tasks of thousands of engineers, all of whom work on a code base which shares many components between xbox, PCs, servers, phones and IoT devices (MS must ensure that changes to xbox don't break phones etc) while ensuring that the development process leads to one build per month that can be released to a software illiterate public, is no small feat!

    If you've ever worked in a project of that size and complexity you'll know it's not comparable to peeling potatoes.
    So what's my prize haha?
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    09-03-2015 01:33 AM
  13. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    If you've ever worked in a project of that size and complexity you'll know it's not comparable to peeling potatoes.
    I think you just nailed it with that one line. Most people on this forum are probably clueless about the scale of this. They lack perception of large scale, probably world wide projects such as this one.

    I've always been two minds about the TP but it was MS decision to do it.
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    09-03-2015 01:54 AM
  14. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    'Let them concentrate on getting the OS right rather than releasing builds'? Then why do we have this TPP? Whats the meaning of keeping insider slow and insider fast when they both are slow as hell?
    As some else has pointed out, what exactly is slow as hell? What experience do you personally have of other companies doing anything like this? At this scale?

    I'll be waiting for an answer for awhile I'm sure....
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    09-03-2015 01:56 AM
  15. Paolo Ferrazza's Avatar
    Very useful thread.
    09-03-2015 04:35 AM
  16. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    Another day without mobile build.. :/ Whats the matter? They said they are going to be serious about W10M but it doesn't look like.. All they care about is pc builds.. Even after the official release, pc builds are still given priority & are still ahead of mobile build.
    I guess some of the reasons could be:

    There are more than a billion computers with Windows and already more than 75 million users have upgraded to Windows 10. So the numbers are important for the PC division at MS.

    On the other hand, the number of mobiles running windows are not as many. So priorities are skewed

    It's not been a month yet and something will come out in the next 2 weeks or so.

    They're collecting feedback which is a lot

    The current build has issues for some people but not others (like me). Obviously they're trying to see where the code is going wrong

    So give them time, MS is slow but they'll deliver eventually. Imagine I haven't received the denim update for my L1020 since it was released worldwide last year.
    09-03-2015 04:38 AM
  17. Zachary Boddy's Avatar
    People are just silly and impatient. They're building an entire operating system! Have patience! Microsoft doesn't have infinite resources nor employees and I don't know if you've noticed but Microsoft is predominantly software so Windows 10 Mobile is definitely not the only software product they have to work on.
    09-03-2015 06:34 AM
  18. Sedp23's Avatar
    They were already releasing builds once a month. Then they announced more frequent builds after the launch of Windows 10 pc. But nothing has changed at all
    09-03-2015 07:02 AM
  19. a5cent's Avatar
    They were already releasing builds once a month. Then they announced more frequent builds after the launch of Windows 10 pc. But nothing has changed at all
    Source, or it didn't happen.
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    09-03-2015 07:08 AM
  20. AnkitGondalia's Avatar
    Im a but worried bcz the official release is near and the speed of delivering builds is still the same. The same wasn't with the pc when it was close to the release date.. I want W10M to smack android and iOS and dont want them to fail again..
    09-03-2015 08:46 AM
  21. GuilhermeManso's Avatar
    Here: Announcing Windows 10 Mobile Insider Preview Build 10512 | Blogging Windows

    "I expect the builds to be out more frequently again as we go forward from here".
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    09-03-2015 08:52 AM
  22. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Im a but worried bcz the official release is near and the speed of delivering builds is still the same. The same wasn't with the pc when it was close to the release date.. I want W10M to smack android and iOS and dont want them to fail again..
    What does that have anything to do with build releases? W10 mobile will come when it comes. Rather it be right than a mess.

    As for smacking down Android and iOS that's probably not going to happen for some time, if ever.

    Never quite understood that anyway. It's a phone. It's your personal device. You made your choice. Be happy. Who cares what anyone else has. It's just a toy at the end of the day. Society was just fine without these things before.
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    09-03-2015 09:11 AM
  23. a5cent's Avatar
    Here: Announcing Windows 10 Mobile Insider Preview Build 10512 | Blogging Windows

    "I expect the builds to be out more frequently again as we go forward from here".
    Okay. Thanks for the quote.

    Build Announced
    10166 July 10, 2015
    10512 August 12, 2015

    Based on the quote from Gabe Aul, it seems reasonable to expect the next build to release in less than one month's time after 10512.

    At the very least that quote and the above dates invalidate Sedp23's claim that nothing has changed. It's yet too early to know if anything has changed. Build 10152 was release just 2.5 weeks ago. It also invalidates the claim that MS is slow, although attempting to judge that solely on the frequency of preview builds is rather ridiculous either way.

    I think some here falsely expect to see preview builds appear regularly, every so-and-so number of weeks. That's just not how the insider preview program is setup to work. If you know nothing about software development it's probably impossible to imagine how and why. You'll just have to accept that preview builds aren't scheduled to materialize at any particular time. They'll materialize when they do. All MS can tell us is that they'll release it to the fast ring when one does.
    Last edited by a5cent; 09-03-2015 at 12:39 PM. Reason: spelling
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    09-03-2015 10:58 AM
  24. Pete's Avatar
    Yep. Each build has a set of acceptance criteria that must be passed in order for that build to be released. As more and more people join the Insider Program, it's more important that releases are seen to be stable and not have any significant faults. Imagine the backlash if a build was released with Gabe saying "Well, we promised a build today, and one of the known issues is that messaging isn't working in this build. Hope you enjoy". That's just not going to happen.

    The builds are released when they're ready, not according to strict (or even loose) timescales.
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    09-03-2015 11:08 AM
  25. Ian_Superfly's Avatar
    Another day without mobile build.. :/ Whats the matter? They said they are going to be serious about W10M but it doesn't look like.. All they care about is pc builds.. Even after the official release, pc builds are still given priority & are still ahead of mobile build.
    correction: "all they (Microsoft) care about is Android/iOS!"

    We have during 2015 seen an endless stream of new Microsoft projects and apps for Android/iOS but more or less nothing for WP/W10M.
    Their focus on WP/W10W is close to nonexistent.

    Not even W10 (for PC/tablets) has as good apps as they (MS) makes for Android/iOS.
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    09-03-2015 02:39 PM
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