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  1. Serpent1189's Avatar
    When win10 becomes a massive success(seems it is already very successful) sure it will change the game in mobile market as well. cos win10 and w10m both looks very similar with similar functionalities and both can run same apps. so people who love windows 10 will sure love w10m as well. and the success of win10 itself will make the people more interested on w10m and that will sure boost the WP market share momentum.
    This is my theory on it too. My hope is that MS is able to leverage the huge marketshare they have with PCs to get better apps to the phones and boost them that way.
    09-10-2015 08:39 AM
  2. Willelmus's Avatar
    The only thing that will save windows phone is clever marketing. To be honest, nothing is wrong with windows phone as of now. Sure the OS has flaws but so do Android and IOS. The only thing keeping consumers from flocking to WP isn't even the app problem, because so few consumers are aware of it (most just buy whatever they know - whatever is popular and seems advanced). Microsoft just still has this square image tied to their brand. They only people willing to look past it are usually gamers, because Microsoft did a real 180 (or 360 ah!) in marketing with the XBOX.

    XBOX gamers love their system. It has been marketed to them as a device that has always been futureproof and extremely enjoyable. You were proud to own a 360, show it to your friends. And today you're proud to show your XBOX one.

    To be honest, the company is doing better in that department. The surface is a glowing example. They there control the entire windows experience and present it as a standard. Now if they would showcase other products in the same way (like a Dell XPS or a Lenovo Flip) and show the different prime experiences you can have with windows (which they are doing but not concentrating on it), they might transform New Jersey moms into real windows afficionados. Which is really what any tech company needs to succeed in today's US (which is the market that most developpers and tech companies look at - it's where the money is...)
    09-10-2015 09:00 AM
  3. ShaneRay's Avatar
    I didn't read the entire thread, but I'll add my two cents to the original question:

    No. Windows 10 mobile is not going to cause any great change in the phone situation. As a few have already said, there's nothing to "save". Windows Phone has already failed in the market place and there's nothing left to fight for. The best that Microsoft can do is continue with their first party mobile software/hardware restructuring and try to make it profitable. Profitable doesn't mean market share growth.

    Will they succeed? Impossible to say at this time. Right now all we're getting is speculation based on vague comments from Nadella. And I do feel that many (including WC editorial staff) have over analyzed these and drawn conclusions that just can't be supported...YET.

    Other than the fact that Windows Phone has failed, we don't...and won't....know the final outcome for a while.

    Just my thoughts....
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    09-10-2015 09:17 AM
  4. Soulstream's Avatar
    I don't think WP10 will get Microsoft over 10% market share. But that's ok for me. As much as i like Microsoft products, I don't want them to go over 10% market share in mobile. Why? Because I think it's not healthy for the industry for one company to "rule" both desktop and mobile space. I want them to be profitable in mobile and big enough for developers to sustain the ecosystem, but not big enough to dominate the market.
    09-10-2015 09:18 AM
  5. oguzsahin's Avatar
    Microsoft's last chance
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    09-10-2015 09:57 AM
  6. Amanda Que's Avatar
    I really think it's not about the operating system. Windows Phone are always disappointing for it's slow responding and easy crashing
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    09-10-2015 11:40 AM
  7. AndyCalling's Avatar
    I really think it's not about the operating system. Windows Phone are always disappointing for it's slow responding and easy crashing
    Um, I think you have a broken phone. Lumia phones are generally known for their excellent build quality, fast and smooth performance and excellent stability. They stand out particularly in those areas. You really need to visit your Nokia Care outlet to get yours fixed.
    09-10-2015 12:01 PM
  8. erzhik's Avatar
    Why do you think Apple is so incredibly successful with the iPhone? It's not because of the incredible, breakthrough features, because it doesn't have any. All of its features are always last to the game. Great hardware? Sure, but it's not like Lumia isn't a great hardware. The reason why iPhone is so great is because of their marketing team, they know how to arouse the public and make them spend 24 hours in line for a phone that other OEMs released 2 years ago. Just watch Apple's videos and keynotes, their marketing team is incredible and if Microsoft wants to survive in mobile industry, they have to restructure their entire marketing team or hire an outside firm. Apple also has a great retail system, where as when you walk into a Microsoft Store, all of the employees have facial expressions as if they don't want to be there at all. Walk to a phone stand and good luck getting anyone to help you.

    And maybe a guy with a British accent. lol.
    09-10-2015 12:01 PM
  9. montahchos's Avatar
    I previously used Lumia 625 but then moved back to android because there are a lot things that frustrated me about Windows phone (or mobile in the future)

    Honestly, i love lumia products, it has beautiful design. I also like WP minimalistic UI (but not W10M UI).
    But when it comes to the competition, the answer is : NO, the W10M would not save the windows phone.

    Here's my thoughts after experienced windows phone (and i believe there will be not so many drastic changes from WP to W10M)

    1. I don't see any differences between a flagship windows phone with a low-entry/mid-entry windows phone. There are no special features that differentiate a flagship and a mid/low-entry except for better camera and build quality. I also don't feel much different in terms of performance.

    2. There are no variation in windows phone. Samsung S6 is not same with Sony Z4 or LG G4 although they are still the same android. But HTC one WP version, or alcatel WP, with Lumia are alike. Very little reasons to buy a non-lumia windows phone.

    3. Action center on WP actually doesn't do any actions at all except only showing notifications from apps. You can't reply text, or dismiss an alarm, or turn off a function, or see any progress bar, or delete an email.

    4. Browsing internet on WP are very horrible experience, and i don't want to experience it anymore.

    5. W10M UI is boring compared to Android material design or iOS. The color choices, fonts, and design language need to be refreshed. It is feels like an OS for geeks. Microsoft should stop called it Modern UI.

    6. WP features are just left very behind compared to android and iOS. Why would i buy a Windows phone when it can't do a lot things that others can do. UI smoothness is just a bonus, as along my phone can do what i need to do and improve my productivity that WP failed to deliver.

    7. Microsoft advertisement for WP is not cool. Ever asking your non-tech friend about Windows 10 mobile? People thing that using iPhone or Samsung Galaxy is cool, or Sony for its water-proof phone, or Asus for its cheap powerful phone, but i never see nokia/microsoft actually boast something about Lumia.

    That's it! an opinion from a non-WP fanboy. It's all about consumer opinion. It is useless when you make a powerful OS but nobody know about that. Microsoft must build a good image in public about Windows 10 Mobile. To make a good opinions, of course Microsoft must advertise a lot and bring many features that can be compared with other competitors. I maybe will switch back to Windows Mobile if there are interesting features that not available in other OS.
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    09-10-2015 12:35 PM
  10. Steve Thackery's Avatar
    Amanda Que: I agree with AndyCalling: if your Windows phone keeps crashing there is something wrong with it. They (and the WP8.1 OS) are famous for their stability. I've never had a Windows phone crash.
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    09-10-2015 12:37 PM
  11. slivy58's Avatar
    Why do you think Apple is so incredibly successful with the iPhone? It's not because of the incredible, breakthrough features, because it doesn't have any. All of its features are always last to the game. Great hardware? Sure, but it's not like Lumia isn't a great hardware. The reason why iPhone is so great is because of their marketing team, they know how to arouse the public and make them spend 24 hours in line for a phone that other OEMs released 2 years ago. Just watch Apple's videos and keynotes, their marketing team is incredible and if Microsoft wants to survive in mobile industry, they have to restructure their entire marketing team or hire an outside firm. Apple also has a great retail system, where as when you walk into a Microsoft Store, all of the employees have facial expressions as if they don't want to be there at all. Walk to a phone stand and good luck getting anyone to help you.

    And maybe a guy with a British accent. lol.
    I'd say Apple is successful because they have the "complete package", you can have all the marketing you want but if the hardware lags behind for the times, the OS is always in "BETA" mode/lacks features or you are slow to deliver then it is a recipe for failure, to reinvent is great but at the expense of the platform is not so great, to me MS didn't envision far enough ahead which should have been second nature to a company of their stature.
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    09-10-2015 01:51 PM
  12. tgp's Avatar
    I'd say Apple is successful because they have the "complete package", you can have all the marketing you want but if the hardware lags behind for the times, the OS is always in "BETA" mode/lacks features or you are slow to deliver then it is a recipe for failure, to reinvent is great but at the expense of the platform is not so great, to me MS didn't envision far enough ahead which should have been second nature to a company of their stature.
    I've said the same thing. It is indeed true the Apple's marketing is second to none and certainly contributes to their financial success, but no amount of marketing will work as well as Apple's system without a product to back it up. Apple indeed offers a well-functioning complete system. While not the cheapest, it works, and that's what consumers want.
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    09-10-2015 02:08 PM
  13. Wazzim's Avatar
    A polished OS will sell you devices, Windows 10 is not even close at the moment.
    09-10-2015 02:35 PM
  14. jdpg2's Avatar
    I think one issue is many people are still upgrading from WM8.1 to WM10 or between versions. The only way to really see how a WM10 performs is do a phone reset. The OS is getting much better, unfortunately their upgrade process SUCKS... do a clean phone reset it makes a world of a difference.
    09-10-2015 02:37 PM
  15. Bao Li's Avatar
    Maybe it's just me but I really don't care what OS I'm running. Apps aren't a huge factor for me as the ones I use are available on all operating systems. The only reason I have a Windows Phone right now is the Lumia 1020 camera, it's a feature that no other phone has and I'll probably use it until I break it. Believe me, if a Blackberry had the best camera, I'd be using one right now.
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    09-10-2015 03:20 PM
  16. Chuco512's Avatar
    It probably would if MS would definitely push out their own product and quit helping their competitors by bettering their MS apps on iOS and Android. Too major apps still shy away from WP. Until they fixed their developer app area. I don't see it kicking off too great like previous versions. I loved Windows Phone but just got tired of all the actual apps I use go away from MS.
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    09-10-2015 03:22 PM
  17. signal-2-noise's Avatar
    1. I think MS need to stop providing "exclusive" phone models to specific carriers. Not a problem if an unlocked phone is used but not many people actually opt for that.
    2. The point-of-purchase retailers also need to do more to promote WP to the public. I rarely see WP on display or being offered as an alternative. They immediately offer iPhone or Android.
    3. Better support by carriers & Microsoft to ALL regions of the global market.
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    09-10-2015 03:30 PM
  18. Great deal's Avatar
    MS have built a great brand in the Surface range. As enterprise shifts to Windows 10 over the next 12 months and as MS paint a clear picture that it is a viable OS that is secure, fast, easy to deploy and as people see continuum work well then I feel MS will unleash the Surface Phone. Right now its too early as they are just at the sort of start point with thier long term strategy. Will they abandon the phone? No they cant afford to, will they leverage thier existing userbase into exploring WP as an option, absolutely, i think its too early for that to happen. The 2 phones coming out are not going to make the kind of impact MS would be hoping they do simply because of the brand, lack of Intel processors (Intel are desperate to get into the mobile space) and unfinished dektop OS, unfinished browser, even Office is buggy on windows 10. In short I dont think W10M will save WP - I think MS will save WP.
    09-10-2015 03:47 PM
  19. PeteBeast's Avatar
    It all depends on W10M performance on the low end and budget phones. Remember, those are the ones who pay the bills.
    09-10-2015 04:44 PM
  20. ninny1176's Avatar
    "Do you think w10m is going to save windows phone?"
    Well it all depends on....wait...no, no it's not.
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    09-10-2015 05:51 PM
  21. PachecoCorporationCeo's Avatar
    I thought Windows Phone 8.1 was supposed to save it.
    09-10-2015 06:29 PM
  22. hack14u's Avatar
    I LOVE WP's, but at this point, no. My last WP was the 830, and that thing was as slow as molasses. Giving a Flex 2 a try now. If MS does come out with this so called flagship, I will be right there, first in line.
    09-10-2015 06:44 PM
  23. angelblast1997's Avatar
    NO.And it will stay like that as long as Microsoft keeps treating it as a Economy class and not First class. I understand Windows 10 desktop is Microsoft's main priority because it is their number one product. But even Microsoft neglects it in a way.

    And I dont want Windows Phone to die, because I love WP but they need a whole new strategy. Most smartphones owners dont use it for productivity but for consumption and entertainment, Microsoft is barking at the wrong tree and humping the wrong leg.
    09-10-2015 08:44 PM
  24. Grand Occultist's Avatar
    Depends on how well it works with the new hardware. Its ok on my 1520 but i was honestly hoping for something a little better. Will see how we go with the new hardware, what it can do etc. If it does not impress i will reluctantly go iPhone =( ..Never will go back to android!
    09-10-2015 09:06 PM
  25. csd_images's Avatar
    This is why I get annoyed with people complaining about the beta Windows 10 Mobile, you are being granted a privilege to test and shape it's future. It was the same with Win 10 desktop, it got delays, false starts and missing features but it arrived and it's being lauded. Windows 10 mobile is a more complicated beast as they have to work with disparate hardware both now and future devices. The mobile hardware market is very fragmented compared to Windows. The underlying hardware has no common enumeration bus which acts as a translator for peripherals (very simplestic but you get the idea). If anyone had been around computers in the 80s and 90s you'll understand what I mean, Win 95 changed a lot of that for the better.

    You have to remember MS is on record stating they are no longer concentrating on the current mobile market, they've ceded that to Android and iOS. Basically they are now bettering on the next generation of mobility devices which is where continuum comes into the equation. It's a massive loss of face for them and I'd say one of their biggest gambles in the history of MS.

    However you cannot expect nearly a decade of rot to vanish overnight, I've been with MS for mobiles since Windows Mobile. I'm a mobile worker than needs a phone that can manage my day-to-day diary. All phones can do that, but in 2002-2008 MS was only the real option. I skipped WP 7 and bought a Lumia 920. Why this over the competition? It's really simple I wanted security, and in business that's critical to what I do. I also need to be able to review documents and the SatNav was a useful feature. iOS required iTunes to manage the phone and I will not allow that near Windows especially since it can be a security liability.

    Where do I stand today? I'm using a Lumia 930, it's powerful enough to do what I need. I'm a classic case of business first user who needs a sufficiently powerful phone that's stable. I don't play much games, nor do I like using social media on my phone as they can be battery hogs. A lot of photographers, models and other clients are often impressed by the display even outdoors and the images it produces but when I mention it's a MS device their reactions are rather amusing think Sodium and water mixing.

    When I was supporting Android, iOS and Windows Phone Android took up most of the case calls and many of those couldn't be resolved easily either without a wipe and rebuild or firmware upgrade if there was one. When there was a security update the company was forced to ditch over 100 handsets because they was no longer secure that's why they went with iPhones and Windows Phone. In the end they are standardising on Windows Phone because it's cheap to deploy and maintain.

    Remember Windows Phone isn't all about the consumer market, there is a large business market that is ever evolving and if business sees a phone that's easily integrated into a existing domain then they'll switch to it. They are not going to gain large market shares, but they will continue to produce phones and productivity devices. The other thing to remember about MS they've always been about the long game. Also they have to consider the larger picture, the Qualcomm 820 chip is only just becoming available in large numbers. MS has always been about stability first rather than gambling with unknown silicon. Android users tend to be the guinea pigs when it comes to testing new hardware and software whereas Apple prefers an iterative approach.
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    09-11-2015 02:40 AM
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