01-27-2017 09:47 PM
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  1. greedo_greedy's Avatar
    I just can't believe that we still don't have instant app opening without any splash or loading screens today. In the era where x64 octa-core processors are almost old tech we still have to wait for the most basic tasks. And as you mentioned, it's stupid because the apps are as basic as you can get. If calculator can't open instantly without a splash screen, what am I to expect from some multi-gigabyte games?
    I understand MS view about this and in the long run it should be better.
    Back in 8, apps like Calculator, Alarms and Clock, Xbox Music, Games and the Store were all attached to the OS itself.
    Since these apps were part of the OS, launching the apps took an instant to open.
    This also meant that updating the apps would have to go with major OS updates. This made progress for these apps really slow and was one of the reasons why these apps were behind in features.

    With Windows 10 however, they're now real apps that can be updated in the Store. That is why we now get regular updates which is a good thing because MS will be able to update apps individually without an OS update.

    We should then hope that MS can iron these apps out to where it can be similar to the Calendar app in 8.1
    It has a splash screen but it's really quick so we don't really complain about it.
    09-24-2015 06:41 AM
  2. WPhone's Avatar
    The calendar in 8.1 was as much a separate app as Outlook in 10. Both get updates via the store but for some reason can not be removed from your phone. Updates to MS apps in W81 have been rare so I'm not expecting much improvement after W10 release.
    09-24-2015 06:57 AM
  3. Ma Rio's Avatar
    Why should apps backed into the OS differ in opening time from those which are downloaded from the store?
    09-24-2015 07:06 AM
  4. Ivan05il's Avatar
    The calendar in 8.1 was as much a separate app as Outlook in 10. Both get updates via the store but for some reason can not be removed from your phone. Updates to MS apps in W81 have been rare so I'm not expecting much improvement after W10 release.
    The apps are now universal. Given how they keep tinkering with them for big Windows I expect updates for mobiles, too. It's a side effect of the apps being universal.
    09-24-2015 07:32 AM
  5. Paolo Ferrazza's Avatar
    It is not faster if you have to search for it among ten other apps which I end up closing anyway. Because if I don't I cannot open another app, because there's a bug in OS that prevents the suspended apps from being closed automatically when needed. And yes, I still prefer it the old way.
    You didn't understand what I said: you are using an app and you want to close it...with W8 you had to press back N times where N=number of jumps since you opened the app, with W10 you just keep back pressed and swipe down (no searching invloved!!!). Press Home+swipe down TIME <= pressing back N times TIME, on an avarage usage; and it is way more deterministic too. You just can't get used to the new way, and it is understandable, changing isn't always easy :)
    09-24-2015 07:33 AM
  6. Ivan05il's Avatar
    You didn't understand what I said: you are using an app and you want to close it...with W8 you had to press back N times where N=number of jumps since you opened the app, with W10 you just keep back pressed and swipe down (no searching invloved!!!). Press Home+swipe down TIME <= pressing back N times TIME, on an avarage usage; and it is way more deterministic too. You just can't get used to the new way, and it is understandable, changing isn't always easy :)
    I am a programmer and I have to keep adjusting all the time, technology, frameworks, etc. and I am fine with that. Some changes just make me wonder if they are worth it and what their purpose is. This is really no biggie, once they fix the bugs I won't have a reason to close the apps explicitly. I just don't understand why we cannot have it both ways.
    09-24-2015 07:55 AM
  7. Kram Sacul's Avatar
    I understand MS view about this and in the long run it should be better.
    Back in 8, apps like Calculator, Alarms and Clock, Xbox Music, Games and the Store were all attached to the OS itself.
    Since these apps were part of the OS, launching the apps took an instant to open.
    This also meant that updating the apps would have to go with major OS updates. This made progress for these apps really slow and was one of the reasons why these apps were behind in features.
    What kind of features do the calculator, alarm clock or calendar need that can't be made in occasional OS updates? The games hub/ app which used to open immediately is basically useless since it became an app. The less said about Xbox Music the better.

    8.1 was both the peak and the beginning of the end of WP for me. Lots of new features but somehow at the cost of performance/fluidity. It also didn't help that some of the design decisions they made were just flat out dumb (games in app list, removal of hubs). No surprise that W10M doesn't fix any of those.
    white_Shadoww likes this.
    09-25-2015 02:51 PM
  8. colinkiama's Avatar
    What kind of features do the calculator, alarm clock or calendar need that can't be made in occasional OS updates? The games hub/ app which used to open immediately is basically useless since it became an app. The less said about Xbox Music the better.

    8.1 was both the peak and the beginning of the end of WP for me. Lots of new features but somehow at the cost of performance/fluidity. It also didn't help that some of the design decisions they made were just flat out dumb (games in app list, removal of hubs). No surprise that W10M doesn't fix any of those.
    who knows? The point is they you don't have to wait for a massive OS update for system apps to gain new features, they can update by themselves.
    09-25-2015 02:58 PM
  9. greedo_greedy's Avatar
    It's been more than a year since we started discussing about launching apps.
    App launch times have improved significantly now.
    10-18-2016 06:43 PM
  10. Joe920's Avatar
    It's been more than a year since we started discussing about launching apps.
    App launch times have improved significantly now.
    Except for WhatsApp.. WhatsApp now has the longest 'resuming..' I've ever seen!
    10-18-2016 08:27 PM
  11. greedo_greedy's Avatar
    ^ that's WhatsApp's problem now and not Microsoft's
    It's best we send the feedback directly to Whatsapp
    10-18-2016 08:42 PM
  12. white_Shadoww's Avatar
    I understand MS view about this and in the long run it should be better.
    Back in 8, apps like Calculator, Alarms and Clock, Xbox Music, Games and the Store were all attached to the OS itself.
    Since these apps were part of the OS, launching the apps took an instant to open.
    This also meant that updating the apps would have to go with major OS updates. This made progress for these apps really slow and was one of the reasons why these apps were behind in features.

    With Windows 10 however, they're now real apps that can be updated in the Store. That is why we now get regular updates which is a good thing because MS will be able to update apps individually without an OS update.

    We should then hope that MS can iron these apps out to where it can be similar to the Calendar app in 8.1
    It has a splash screen but it's really quick so we don't really complain about it.
    I truly understand what you say. But, can you tell me how many updates did the Calculator or Voice recorder or Alarms app got? I don't think these apps should need updates frequently. MS is a big company and can make these apps the greatest for once and can bake in the OS.

    Also, the Photos app, tell me you guys, what better functionality the WM10 app gives us, that was not available for us in 8.1 app? Can you move or copy photos around from a folder to another? No! Instead, it's more difficult to reach to folders in the new app.
    'Albums' is a nice addition, but my phone app never creates auto albums while the PC app does. And I would more likely arrange photos in a folders than manually creating albums within the app.
    Save the lags, bugs and crashes, there is no any improvement over the 8.1 app, despite being an app, having the luxury to update anytime.

    Same goes for Groove music and Movies & TV apps. Sure, those who use or rather can use the Groove music pass or buy from the MS video store would welcome the updates. Folks like me, who live in a country, where there is no Groove music subscription or MS video store, no unlimited Internet plans, no readily available and free WiFi, miserable data speeds, we like to keep our content locally on SD cards. And for that purpose, the Music app in WP8 was way better than Groove music. Sure, the video player could be improved. But I don't think I need updates every week for local playback.

    If any app which should have been an app is the File Explorer. It doesn't yet have ZIP support which is crucial in my opinion.

    Windows 10 Mobile is just not optimized. Microsoft should start optimizing it.
    10-19-2016 06:12 AM
  13. white_Shadoww's Avatar
    And back to the point of the thread. I don't mind the apps in the background, but I don't like them in the back-stack, meaning, when I am on the Start screen, pressing the back key should not take me anywhere.

    I rarely use the home key to go to Start screen, unless ex. I am on WhatsApp and need to change a song I am listening to. So, what I generally do is, back out of the app with the back key. But because of the hamburger menus, the more I browse through them, the more I need to hit back key. So, I close them via 'hold back key > swipe down'. Else, I just back out of the app with the back key.

    But keeping them in the background never affected my performance or battery. In fact, phone is more fluid having them in the background. Open up instantly, no splash screens.
    Rosebank likes this.
    10-19-2016 06:24 AM
  14. Palm_forlackofchoice's Avatar
    It is not faster if you have to search for it among ten other apps which I end up closing anyway. Because if I don't I cannot open another app, because there's a bug in OS that prevents the suspended apps from being closed automatically when needed. And yes, I still prefer it the old way.
    You don't have to search through list. Just tap the live tile or app in start.
    Shamshi-Adad likes this.
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