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  1. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    Hi guys,

    according to these 2 sites, Windows Mobile 10 will start rolling out around December and only to those phones that have denim update or higher.
    Windows 10 will start rolling out to phones in December | The Verge
    FAQ - Will Windows 10 update be available for my Lumia phone? - Microsoft - USA

    So one point we can note is that we still have a lot of testing to do. For sure there will be more builds coming our way.

    Second point is that only denim phones will get update. This begs the question, how can we make sure we all have denim?

    For example, in my country (Kenya) these phones haven't received denim update, 9 months since Denim came out:
    1. Lumia 625
    2. Lumia 630
    3. Lumia 820
    4. Lumia 920
    5. Lumia 925
    6. Lumia 1020 (my phone)
    7. Lumia 1320


    Africa
    In these countries, it's more or less the same
    Zambia - 1320, 1020, 625, 630, 820, 920, 925
    Angola - 1520, 520, 625, 720, 820, 920, 925
    Ghana - 1320
    Mozambique - 1520, 520, 625, 720, 820, 920, 925
    Nigeria - 1320
    Tanzania - 1020, 1320, 625, 820, 920, 925
    Uganda - 1020, 1320, 625, 820, 920, 925

    Libya, Morocco, Egypt, Algeria, Senegal, Tunisia, South Africa - all the lumias in those countries have the denim update

    In Europe
    Albania, Austria, Bosnia, Belgium, Bulgaria, Switzerland, Cyprus, Germany, Denmark, Estonia, Spain, Finland, France, UK, Greece, Croatia, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Sweden, Turkey, Norway, Poland, and all the other countries in Europe

    In these countries, denim is not available for the models indicated
    Azerbaijan, Belarus, Czech republic, Russia - 630
    Ireland - 625

    In Asia-Pacific
    Australia, Bangladesh, Brunei, China, Hong Kong, Indonesia, India, Cambodia, Laos, Sri Lanka, Mongolia, Malaysia, Nepal, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, Philippines, Singapore, Thailand, Vietnam, Taiwan.
    Basically all Asia Pacific have denim availability on their lumia phones

    Middle East
    Yemen, UAE, Bahrain, Israel, Iraq, Iran, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Oman, Pakistan, Palestine, Qatar and Saudi Arabia
    Basically all lumia models in all middle Eastern countries have denim availability

    Latin America
    Bolivia, Brazil,

    Argentina, Colombia, Ecuador, Puerto Rico, Paraguay - 1020;
    Chile - 1020, 620, 720, 920, 925;
    Costa Rica - 1020, 625, 820,
    Dominican republic - 1020, 820, 920
    Guatemala - 1020, 820, 925
    Honduras - 1020, 920
    Jamaica - 1320, 520, 625, 620, 820
    Mexico - 1020, 820, 920
    Nicaragua - 1020, 920, 925
    Peru - 920, 920
    El Salvador - 1020, 820, 925
    Uruguay - 1020, 1320, 1520, 520, 625, 820, 920
    Venezuela - 1020, 620, 925

    Here it can be seen that the 20 and 25 series of Lumias have not received denim update

    North America
    USA-1320, 520, 530, 620, 635, 820, 920, 925

    Canada has for all

    This is the short of it. Latin America and African countries are missing out on the Denim update for more than a dozen phone models in more than 20 countries combined. A few countries don't even have cyan update. The denim update is available for almost all Lumia models as can be seen in Europe and Asia.

    It doesn't make sense for African and Latin American countries to miss out on the Denim update and hence Windows Mobile 10 in the future.

    Is there something we can do about this? Who can we push for complete rollout of the denim update worldwide?
    10-07-2015 04:27 AM
  2. TechFreak1's Avatar
    Double Post and why are you quoting yourself?
    10-07-2015 05:56 AM
  3. milkyway's Avatar
    or you could just install the Windows Insider app on these devices and get W10...
    10-07-2015 06:05 AM
  4. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    Double Post and why are you quoting yourself?
    That was an error, I'm not very familiar with the way these forums work

    Sorry
    10-07-2015 07:15 AM
  5. TechFreak1's Avatar
    That was an error, I'm not very familiar with the way these forums work

    Sorry
    Fair enough, no need to apologise :).
    10-07-2015 07:16 AM
  6. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    or you could just install the Windows Insider app on these devices and get W10...
    I know I can install Windows 10 insider preview but that is not a solution for the hundreds of thousands of users worldwide who don't have denim update
    10-07-2015 07:17 AM
  7. tut1234's Avatar
    I know I can install Windows 10 insider preview but that is not a solution for the hundreds of thousands of users worldwide who don't have denim update
    To upgrade to Denim you do have to have your carrier approve an update, my L520 on ATT does not yet have Denim officially.
    You are correct in that, not everyone will get Denim right away.
    So this means it could take awhile for everyone to get 10, if at all. Daniel talked about this in one of his posts, I'll see if I can find the link.

    One time after rolling back to 8.1, I went to install Windows 10 Insider, it said my hardware was not supported.
    So, I installed Preview for Developers (this updates 8.1), then went back to the store and it allowed me to install 10 Insider.
    it was probably looking for Denim.

    EDIT: I can't find the link, but basically he said, if your device is not on the first list on supported devices, just stay in the Insiders program. That could also apply to waiting for carrier support as well.
    Last edited by tut1234; 10-07-2015 at 08:47 AM. Reason: clarify
    10-07-2015 08:30 AM
  8. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    To upgrade to Denim you do have to have your carrier approve an update, my L520 on ATT does not yet have Denim officially.
    You are correct in that, not everyone will get Denim right away.
    As far as I know, it's only in the US where carriers approve updates. If you check the availability of denim in the African countries, denim isn't available regardless of which carrier you're on
    10-07-2015 11:36 PM

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