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  1. agaskew's Avatar
    I do feel your pain, OP. Each time I put W10 on my 640, I keep it around for a little bit longer. However, the slowness and that darn Loading thing drives me bananas. Each build of W10 gets a little bit better, and my hope is that the slowness is mainly a 'feature' of W10 (maybe collecting debug info) that will be switched off leter on.
    10-14-2015 07:16 AM
  2. chirag dalvi's Avatar
    Bailed out today with my 1020.
    Couldn't stand the crashes, epic slowness and that damn constant loading/resuming screen.
    On top of that the battery time was awful and the camera pretty much useless.

    Used Windows Device Recovery Tool (3.0.1) which took me back to Lumia Black (W8) thank you very much!?

    After 1 gazillion updates and store downloads I'm on my way back to a working phone again with WP8.1 Cyan (and finally Denim).
    The device backups was not found on Onedrive for some reason, not even the old WP8.1 ones!?
    They can be seen in the web gui but not from the phone...

    No hard feelings though, it's a preview, but boy have Microsoft things to fix before this thing flies.

    See ya later...
    Had same problem... Then i reset phone to get 8.1 back :p but ended up with same technical preview.. But surprisingly most of issues get solved .. Not happy but OK with it :)
    10-14-2015 07:18 AM
  3. sheldon cohn's Avatar
    I to lost confidence with Microsoft creating a build for Windows 10 phone that could install without having to reset the phone to factory, then start with Windows 8.1, then being able to install the new build. My phone is back to Windows 8.1 and plan on leaving it. The new builds I encountered 10514 and 10536 came up with an error during installation, feedback was sent, yet 4 weeks passed and no resolution came from Microsoft, because they don't care about developing a build that will install for all.

    I have a BLU WIN HD LTE and read that it is due to receive Windows 10, and what I have encountered with Windows 10 so far, I need one phone with Windows 8.1, since it's more reliable.
    I also have a Nokia 900, running Windows 7, to me Windows 10 is a little improvement over
    7, but well behind 8.1.
    10-14-2015 09:03 AM
  4. murtaza_p's Avatar
    Bailed out today with my 1020.
    Couldn't stand the crashes, epic slowness and that damn constant loading/resuming screen.
    On top of that the battery time was awful and the camera pretty much useless.

    Used Windows Device Recovery Tool (3.0.1) which took me back to Lumia Black (W8) thank you very much!?

    After 1 gazillion updates and store downloads I'm on my way back to a working phone again with WP8.1 Cyan (and finally Denim).
    The device backups was not found on Onedrive for some reason, not even the old WP8.1 ones!?
    They can be seen in the web gui but not from the phone...

    No hard feelings though, it's a preview, but boy have Microsoft things to fix before this thing flies.

    See ya later...
    agree with you on every world. the build before this one was much more stable but god this one was horrible,
    Not to mention the beautiful Lumia camera app was missing on the 1020 for some reason which made the phones key selling point useless. The 1020 always had a pathetic battery life in my opinion but the preview builds made in worse, a few hours of usage and the phone used to be dead.
    i am surprised you had a problem rolling back to 8.1. i rolled back directly to cyan and then OTA updated to denim.
    yes i know its a TP but come on, the phone was practically useless unless you had a secondary phone. Maybe the 1020 has old hardware, but it aint that old , still has 2 gigs of ram and a pretty decent chip-set i hope the official update makes it better cause if its gonna be like this i dont think i would be updating to W10.
    10-14-2015 09:41 AM
  5. garak0410's Avatar
    you waited this long whats another day or two. they did caution about using it on the daily driver. i agree its got some problems but it pretty much still works as a phone
    I am waiting 1-2 more days on the next preview...for me, the battery drain is the biggest problem...then wonky Bluetooth (with UCONNECT) and sometimes voice to text doesn't work right. If this next build doesn't work better, I may have to go back to 8.1 too until the official release for the ICON.
    GMC262 and fredd like this.
    10-14-2015 09:53 AM
  6. agaskew's Avatar
    I to lost confidence with Microsoft creating a build for Windows 10 phone that could install without having to reset the phone to factory, then start with Windows 8.1, then being able to install the new build. My phone is back to Windows 8.1 and plan on leaving it. The new builds I encountered 10514 and 10536 came up with an error during installation, feedback was sent, yet 4 weeks passed and no resolution came from Microsoft, because they don't care about developing a build that will install for all.

    I have a BLU WIN HD LTE and read that it is due to receive Windows 10, and what I have encountered with Windows 10 so far, I need one phone with Windows 8.1, since it's more reliable.
    I also have a Nokia 900, running Windows 7, to me Windows 10 is a little improvement over
    7, but well behind 8.1.
    Maybe consider getting a 640 with the latest 8.1 on it - nice combo.
    10-14-2015 10:33 AM
  7. neodk's Avatar
    I'm really torn right now. I want to buy a phone just to satisfy my "new phone" habit. The Lumia 1020 has been the one device that enthralls me as much as it frustrates me. The camera is great, but initially when I had on on AT&T the pictures had a yellow tint. I've since had many different devices, on many different operating systems. I would get a Lumia 1020 if I knew it would run Windows 10 well. Windows 8.1 is fine, but it is clearly not the OS Microsoft is going to support as much going forward. The 640 I have will run Windows 10. It runs 8.1 better (for now) and until I see a stable build that doesn't make my phone have a seizure post-update I won't be switching.
    10-14-2015 11:20 AM
  8. Skamath's Avatar
    Thanks on the avatar point but on the topic, your point about outdated hardware is noteworthy for sure. Not sure I follow the rest of your comment. I look at this, rightly or wrongly in the same way I look at running Windows on my existing hardware. I have several computers, some have a lot more age on it then my desktop. All run Windows 10 without a problem. In fact, I have an older iphone 5 running OS9 and an ipad One that runs OS9. It can't do everything the newer phones or tablets can run with OS9 but its functional enough to daily drive. The point is, just like Apple build both the hardware and software, MS built both of these as well. So I can't accept the 'age of the hardware' as a barrier to being able to run this OS with this crash rate. Yes its preview. Yes its a risk.

    My point is simply HTC builds a better phone.

    Don't get me wrong now, I dig Lumia. But Lumia has ALWAYS been an iffy product. In my experience, it took 3 returns to get a Lumia 900 that worked. It took 4 returns to get a 920 that I could use. When I got one, I didn't care about anything else. That's just me. My wife had 3 Lumia before she got one that worked. She won't own another Windows Phone now, let alone a Lumia.

    It took one HTC Arrive to work properly. It took one HTC One M8 to work properly running 8.1 then the latest TP build.
    In case of the laptops or PC they have hardware which is meant to run an universal OS but again in that they have versions like 32bit and 64bit so as long as the relevant OS version is installed the device will run fine. IOS is from a different planet all together. If I am right all their devices are built to run IOS only and will have the same OS regardless of phone or pad. What about the mac book though? Likewise with Windows 10 meant for PC and Laptops and then you have the phones. I mean 32 and 64bit for the former and a phone version for the latter. Where it does go wrong for the older phones is that they are cramming in more than what it can handle. I mean the devices that are in the market are designed for 8.1 and Win 10 is deigned with future devices in mind. Unlike apples IOS for the future model is just an updated previous version rather than a brand new OS from scratch.
    Back to the Lumia and HTC I agree with you a 100% that the devices are iffy. I had to return one 1020 within few months of use. I am assuming imaging was the main focus of MS followed by what not to do with the OS instead of where to head with it. (not to repeat WP7 mistakes).

    But the faith is still there as Satya might end up changing this with Windows as a "service" like IOS updates. All it needs a starting point to take off and I have a feeling that even the 950XL and the 950 were not designed with Win10 in mind but atleast the HW is heaps better than 1020. My guess is that the intel phones and Panos gang will be the starting point for this Windows as a "service" story.

    Kind of what is in this Link by Rubino http://www.windowscentral.com/readin...&utm_source=wp
    Last edited by Skamath; 10-14-2015 at 01:38 PM. Reason: link added
    10-14-2015 01:33 PM
  9. kangeles's Avatar
    It could just be your phone. As you say, it is preview. If you recall, they originally didn't allow just anyone with a WP to update. This was for a reason. It's too bad you had such severe problems. I've had a few finally with the most recent build (on an 830); not insurmountable, but certainly less useful as a daily driver. I do NOT chalk this up to having "tons to fix", however. This is part of the dev cycle and frankly I wish they had not announced support for years old devices. It's going to make things hard for them to live up to impossible expectations. I bet there are owners of 920, 1020, 8X, etc that will be SHOCKED once they learn that once they do upgrade to W10 they won't have Windows Hello! It's like when 8.x updates came out to offer improved BT and Gyroscope support. People wanted the damn updates even if it didn't physically apply to their handsets!
    10-14-2015 08:23 PM
  10. Blashkyrk's Avatar
    I didnt see anything on my post about defending Microsoft or about anyone being harsh so why you made that comment Im not sure. I pretty much said whats a day or two more SORRY I offended you.
    (...posted and answer to this yesterday but it disappeared for some reason!?)

    No worries mate!
    English is not my native language so I might have gotten things wrong.
    Anyways I'm not offended by mere words so everything is cool.
    Why the moderator stepped in is beyond me though.
    Have a nice day!
    10-15-2015 02:15 AM
  11. Paolo Ferrazza's Avatar
    Most here defend MS for no obvious reason. Just blind fanboys that do not see the problems, only the small good things. I also had a superb 1020 and with windows 10 it was a horrible experience. Absolutely terrible!!! With the next 1520, things were a little better but still awful! When I reverted back to 8.1 on both it was like a total reborn of the phones, all things were working fast!! and with NO LAGS, NO LOADING, NO RESUMING again! Say welcome to the new Vista of mobiles: Windows 10
    LOL or maybe a lot of people is having a great experience? While you have the right to say yours is not working, you should not call satisfied people fanboys, it is just childish. You should also understand that forums are usually full of people complaining, because they want to be heard. What I'm saying is that 90% of poeple that have problems usually take the time to post their complaints, 10% of people satisfied come to say they are satisfied; in other word if you have the feeling that there are a lot of satisfied people here (fanboys as you call them) it really means that there are a LOT of people satisfied with the current state of w10m, and you should actually be happy about it instead of being so full of hatred just because you do not have the same good experience with your specific phone.

    For example my 930 is improving every single day. Every single OS build improved things greatly, every single app update has imporoved my experience greatly, the .NET update has made my phone super fast. The last complaint I have is battery life that should be improved but I would never roll back to 8.1.
    10-15-2015 02:53 AM
  12. mariusmuntean's Avatar
    LOL or maybe a lot of people is having a great experience? While you have the right to say yours is not working, you should not call satisfied people fanboys, it is just childish. You should also understand that forums are usually full of people complaining, because they want to be heard. What I'm saying is that 90% of poeple that have problems usually take the time to post their complaints, 10% of people satisfied come to say they are satisfied; in other word if you have the feeling that there are a lot of satisfied people here (fanboys as you call them) it really means that there are a LOT of people satisfied with the current state of w10m, and you should actually be happy about it instead of being so full of hatred just because you do not have the same good experience with your specific phone.

    For example my 930 is improving every single day. Every single OS build improved things greatly, every single app update has imporoved my experience greatly, the .NET update has made my phone super fast. The last complaint I have is battery life that should be improved but I would never roll back to 8.1.
    I wasn't referring to the ones that have no problems. I called fanboys those that even if they have issues, and see obvious problems, they pretend those do not exist. If you like windows 10 on your lumia, good for you. I for one hate it, nothing seems in place in the design of it, lags a lot, still after so many builds, 1st party apps work like a dead snail and battery life is simply terrible. That's what you get when you take a desktop OS and shrink it down to match a phone without proper optimization in performance and UI...good luck then with the never ending "beta" OS.
    10-15-2015 06:06 AM
  13. Paolo Ferrazza's Avatar
    I wasn't referring to the ones that have no problems. I called fanboys those that even if they have issues, and see obvious problems, they pretend those do not exist.
    I do not see many people pretending they do not have problems. Just a lot of people, like me, aware that this is a beta OS with a lot of good improvements and apps and other things that need to be fixed; as simple as that, this is not fanboysm, all the drama about a beta is ridiculous.

    Phones are due for release in more than a month and it is just two models, w10m will be greatly optimized and tested by MS on these devices.

    Then they will improve it for updating all the old devices.

    There is time, the OS and its core apps are improving every single day, you have some bigger issues sorry for you but try and understand that if w10m will fail it won't be for some bug here and there, it will be for missing apps and bad marketing.

    In other words we see the problems, we report them, and we appreciate all the other things. We can handle problems like adults and we do not create drama over nothing like children do.

    If I may ask when did you try 10? The latest update to .NET improved resuming/loading greatly just to make an example of improved things.
    10-15-2015 07:07 AM
  14. garak0410's Avatar
    I am waiting 1-2 more days on the next preview...for me, the battery drain is the biggest problem...then wonky Bluetooth (with UCONNECT) and sometimes voice to text doesn't work right. If this next build doesn't work better, I may have to go back to 8.1 too until the official release for the ICON.
    It pains me to say...batter life is much worse on this build from yesterday...my phone has settled from resyncing OneDrive pictures, email and back up texts. It is losing 15% or more per hour. And yes, I heard there is a Cortana Bug and the fix is to turn Cortana Off.

    So my options are back to 8.1 or the SLOW ring...anyone on Slow Ring?
    10-15-2015 07:30 AM
  15. nmercy's Avatar
    I had the same experience that the phone gradually deteriorated.
    It almost felt like the file system or something got messed up as it took longer and longer to boot.
    And the time from it had booted up until it was usable at all also got worse with time.
    I think this is related to the debug/usage information that Microsoft is collecting... turn off your wifi for a few days and they quickly build up... If I recall I had something like 40+ files of information ready to send to Microsoft, some small, some not so small.
    10-15-2015 09:26 AM
  16. elindalyne's Avatar
    Do people not understand that this is still beta software and that there will be bugs? If you only have one phone, you should not be even attempting to use the insider program.

    People need to understand that you pay for being on the bleeding edge. You may get new features ahead of everyone else, but you also run the risk of being left without a usable product. This is how software development works and the sooner people understand this, the better.
    10-15-2015 09:35 AM
  17. garak0410's Avatar
    Do people not understand that this is still beta software and that there will be bugs? If you only have one phone, you should not be even attempting to use the insider program.

    People need to understand that you pay for being on the bleeding edge. You may get new features ahead of everyone else, but you also run the risk of being left without a usable product. This is how software development works and the sooner people understand this, the better.
    Can't argue there...we just do wish the Battery Drain issue could be addressed...
    10-15-2015 09:38 AM
  18. Blashkyrk's Avatar
    Do people not understand that this is still beta software and that there will be bugs? If you only have one phone, you should not be even attempting to use the insider program.

    People need to understand that you pay for being on the bleeding edge. You may get new features ahead of everyone else, but you also run the risk of being left without a usable product. This is how software development works and the sooner people understand this, the better.
    I am an developer since more than 15 years and do understand the process and appreciate that this is a preview and all.
    The thing that makes me worried is that we have a release date around the corner and the product seems far from ready.
    And to be honest I'm a bit disappointed that the software feels like a step backwards from the previous version or at least not an improvement.

    I wanted this version to be good so bad (as I don't like iPhone/Apple or Android/Google that much) but I feel it's gonna fail somewhat.
    From my perspective, running a Lumia 1020, there is almost nothing that is better in W10 over WP8.1, except perhaps the notification center. Cortana is not available in my country. As this is a complete new OS (again) I get the feeling that the Windows Phone community is always gonna play catch up as the OS development keeps resetting every other year.

    Yes, I can stay on WP8.1 and just shut up but that's not gonna happen as that OS is going to die pretty soon.
    I want all the nice and cool things that the other OS's deliver but I want it from a Microsoft phone and I can't understand why Microsoft can't get this to work. I mean they obviously do a lot of other cool and very good software.
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    10-16-2015 03:37 AM
  19. mariusmuntean's Avatar
    I am an developer since more than 15 years and do understand the process and appreciate that this is a preview and all.
    The thing that makes me worried is that we have a release date around the corner and the product seems far from ready.
    And to be honest I'm a bit disappointed that the software feels like a step backwards from the previous version or at least not an improvement.

    I wanted this version to be good so bad (as I don't like iPhone/Apple or Android/Google that much) but I feel it's gonna fail somewhat.
    From my perspective, running a Lumia 1020, there is almost nothing that is better in W10 over WP8.1, except perhaps the notification center. Cortana is not available in my country. As this is a complete new OS (again) I get the feeling that the Windows Phone community is always gonna play catch up as the OS development keeps resetting every other year.

    Yes, I can stay on WP8.1 and just shut up but that's not gonna happen as that OS is going to die pretty soon.
    I want all the nice and cool things that the other OS's deliver but I want it from a Microsoft phone and I can't understand why Microsoft can't get this to work. I mean they obviously do a lot of other cool and very good software.
    I am glad that finally an experienced developer can say the same things I've been saying all along, and I've been nailed down for them eveytime by fanboys! Windows 10 for phones is close to release and is far, very far from finish. Look at the overall behavior on most devices! because let's face it, most devices are at least midrange with 1GB of ram and QC at 1.2GHZ. How does it work?? Loading.... Resuming...lags etc. The same goes for older models: 920,925,1020,820. While 930 and 1520 are the ones that can barely run it more flawlessly, are not the only models that people have!! AGAIN, many have midrange models, many won't spend such cash to buy the new 950s, or don't want to. MS cannot simply release this OS with such performance flaws! It doesn't matter anymore that is a beta! it is close to finish line, it should NOT behave like it does, it should not drain the battery like a powerhorse, it should work MUCH better on all devices that at least have 1GB of RAM.
    Very few here are realistic and have done a comparison on 8.1 and 10 on performance on various models. It's clear that 8.1 is flying and 10 is like a dead snail!...ok not really a dead snail, alive snail but still SLOW!!!!! And the user interface, shrinked down PC look a like, mixed up hamburger and pivots..well this is another thing that the design team at MS has done an embarrassing job at...
    I have also had a 1020 that lucky for me did not suffer from the freeze issue after 8.1 update. 10 on it was a real pain! :( all this and the lack of apps and updates to those apps made me jump ship. Still I feel that I really miss my WP and from this my anger against Microsoft! NO QUALITY AT ALL!!! after so many years...maybe Panos got some sense into those two new lumias...
    Last edited by mariusmuntean; 10-16-2015 at 05:42 AM.
    10-16-2015 05:32 AM
  20. solarscreen's Avatar
    OP made a reasonable point and good decision.

    I have no problem with anyone who wants to play with the Insider Preview program on their primary driver, I do that myself. BUT, if you need a reliable phone for work, having to leave the Insider Preview testing is probably a good idea. I have several Lumias I test the newest builds on and have had to revert my main phone back from time to time just to make sure I had a phone I could count on.

    What is annoying in this forum are those who post complaints about the Preview builds and then say they are leaving Windows and going (back) to their wonderful Android or iPhone. Don't care about your android or iPhone devices. Don't want one. Won't ever own one. Android security is a nightmare / joke. I'm on here to read, talk, decipher, debug, vent, and enjoy Windows phones. On Windows Central. :)
    10-16-2015 07:09 AM
  21. Steve Adams's Avatar
    OP made a reasonable point and good decision.

    I have no problem with anyone who wants to play with the Insider Preview program on their primary driver, I do that myself. BUT, if you need a reliable phone for work, having to leave the Insider Preview testing is probably a good idea. I have several Lumias I test the newest builds on and have had to revert my main phone back from time to time just to make sure I had a phone I could count on.

    What is annoying in this forum are those who post complaints about the Preview builds and then say they are leaving Windows and going (back) to their wonderful Android or iPhone. Don't care about your android or iPhone devices. Don't want one. Won't ever own one. Android security is a nightmare / joke. I'm on here to read, talk, decipher, debug, vent, and enjoy Windows phones. On Windows Central. :)
    Correct. People going to w10 DEVELOPER PREVIEW, none the less, and complaining about things and saying I'm leaving. That is silly.

    Its not the final product. I did the same thing. I rolled back to get a smooth phone and proper camera.

    W10 will be ready when they release it.
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    10-16-2015 07:27 AM
  22. Paolo Ferrazza's Avatar
    I am glad that finally an experienced developer can say the same things I've been saying all along, and I've been nailed down for them eveytime by fanboys! Windows 10 for phones is close to release and is far, very far from finish. ...
    You are making yourself ridiculous, the "experienced developer" has given some justified concerns. You are on the doom and whine wagon.

    The OS is not far from finished. It is still buggy on some models, it needs battery optimization. All the rest is already there, and all the core apps are greatly improved as it is the OS usability and API.

    They just need the finishing touches and they are ready for the new devices (950 950XL). Then they can solve the remaining problems on older phones (like the obsolete 1020) and deploy the OS to those models too ( if you didn't know they planned on releasing w10m some weeks at least after the new flagships).

    If w10m will fail it won't be due to some bugs, of this you can be certain.
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    10-16-2015 08:07 AM
  23. fredd's Avatar
    You all make me laugh. ALL the posts in ALL the forums that complain about what windows 10 doesn't have or doesn't work right can be mirrored in the way early forums about windows 8 and 8.1 and probably earlier builds too. Now everybody that has a phone that doesn't work just perfect is running back to windows 8.1 and saying how great it is. Just be patient they will get it working good just like 8.1 or better. Nobody can say that the new additions to windows 10 aren't an improvement. They have always said that the preview isn't for your daily phone. I am running it on my daily phone and no doubt there is room for improvement. and once again Im not defending Microsoft.
    10-16-2015 08:49 AM
  24. three_thoughts's Avatar
    The design of Windows 10 is so much better than 8.1 that I can put up with the occasional "Resuming" and crashing, because it is only occasional for me.

    Most of the time my 930 is much faster, especially when using new W10 apps like Edge, office, Groove and msn apps. It's great that apps actually resume properly now and just open straight away where you left them, rather than having to reload the page like they did on WP8.1 - it makes the whole experience feel so much smoother.

    Yes there are bugs that are annoying but it's to be expected with a preview, and for me at least, the positives outweigh the negatives.
    fredd likes this.
    10-16-2015 02:26 PM
  25. Petru Moldovan's Avatar
    I worked in various companies which had access to pre-release software since Windows 2000, All the CTPs for all server and workstation Windows were slow because they were debug/check builds, all the RTM versions worked much faster.
    Since this is the first time we have access to interim/CTPs for phones, probably it's a surprise that they work slow only for WP users who never tried a full Windows CTP to see how slow it is compared to RTM. So I don't have problems with the resume part right now, a debug compile is not optimized for performance and behind scenes probably collects a lot of log stuff in order to send it to Microsoft. Most of this crap will be removed from the RTM version.

    * CTP = Community Technical Preview
    ** RTM = Release To Manufacturing
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    10-16-2015 02:37 PM
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