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  1. Blashkyrk's Avatar
    Bailed out today with my 1020.
    Couldn't stand the crashes, epic slowness and that damn constant loading/resuming screen.
    On top of that the battery time was awful and the camera pretty much useless.

    Used Windows Device Recovery Tool (3.0.1) which took me back to Lumia Black (W8) thank you very much!?

    After 1 gazillion updates and store downloads I'm on my way back to a working phone again with WP8.1 Cyan (and finally Denim).
    The device backups was not found on Onedrive for some reason, not even the old WP8.1 ones!?
    They can be seen in the web gui but not from the phone...

    No hard feelings though, it's a preview, but boy have Microsoft things to fix before this thing flies.

    See ya later...
    Last edited by Blashkyrk; 10-13-2015 at 01:06 AM.
    10-12-2015 10:53 AM
  2. fredd's Avatar
    you waited this long whats another day or two. they did caution about using it on the daily driver. i agree its got some problems but it pretty much still works as a phone
    10-12-2015 11:30 AM
  3. razor1973's Avatar
    you waited this long whats another day or two. they did caution about using it on the daily driver. i agree its got some problems but it pretty much still works as a phone
    Nobody buys a smartphone to have it just work "as a phone", especially nobody that frequents forums like this one. But I do agree with you on waiting a day or two longer for a more stable build. I would have.
    10-12-2015 12:50 PM
  4. seb_r's Avatar
    But I do agree with you on waiting a day or two longer for a more stable build. I would have.
    You can wait a very long time for that to happen...
    920Walker likes this.
    10-12-2015 07:38 PM
  5. Blashkyrk's Avatar
    you waited this long whats another day or two. they did caution about using it on the daily driver. i agree its got some problems but it pretty much still works as a phone
    This IS my main phone, my daily driver and NO it does NOT even work as a phone with this build.
    Yesterday I ended up not being able to make a very important phone call as the phone crashed and rebooted.
    The startup time after a reboot with this preview build was so slow that it took me almost 10 minutes before I could make that call.
    It was not this single incident that made me revert back but it was the thing that pushed me over the edge. Heck, it can't even make a phone call!?
    I don't care if there is a new build tomorrow or even today. I can't imagine it will be so much better that I would like to use it.

    Being back on WP8.1 Denim feels great actually. Things just work and the phone is quick and responsive as it should be.
    I will jump on the W10 wagon as soon as the RTM comes out but not before.

    So why you need to defend Microsoft is beyond me, I made no harsh comments?
    I knew it was a preview and I knew it might be bad which it was...
    As I stated in my original post "No hard feelings..."
    My post was just to inform other 1020 owners that if they experience problems they are not alone.
    10-13-2015 01:22 AM
  6. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    [WARN]Let's keep calm here. Some of you might not have any problems, but others might have problems.

    The OP has a legitimate concern, and he/she posting might help other people avoid problems.[/WARN]
    10-13-2015 01:28 AM
  7. Ivan05il's Avatar
    Yes, it's all so random. For some it works fine for others the experience is awful. I also noticed that even if W10M runs fine on a phone it tends to degenerate over time and I need to turn the phone off and on again. If I update an app, let's say Store or Photos, it loses its tile settings. Lots of things that don't work the way they should. I have no idea how they want to clean up this mess, because right now wherever I look there's some issue. Let's say Messaging app was working fine, now after the update with integrated Skype messaging, the tile was empty with no picture, I had to re-pin it. It does not show notifications, again. They should be entering a phase when bugs become rarer. It's still one big construction site and they still have a problem to put together a build that will pass as a preview build.
    10-13-2015 04:38 AM
  8. Blashkyrk's Avatar
    I had the same experience that the phone gradually deteriorated.
    It almost felt like the file system or something got messed up as it took longer and longer to boot.
    And the time from it had booted up until it was usable at all also got worse with time.
    10-13-2015 09:02 AM
  9. joshua hildebrandt1's Avatar
    This IS my main phone, my daily driver and NO it does NOT even work as a phone with this build.
    Yesterday I ended up not being able to make a very important phone call as the phone crashed and rebooted.
    The startup time after a reboot with this preview build was so slow that it took me almost 10 minutes before I could make that call.
    It was not this single incident that made me revert back but it was the thing that pushed me over the edge. Heck, it can't even make a phone call!?
    I don't care if there is a new build tomorrow or even today. I can't imagine it will be so much better that I would like to use it.

    Being back on WP8.1 Denim feels great actually. Things just work and the phone is quick and responsive as it should be.
    I will jump on the W10 wagon as soon as the RTM comes out but not before.

    So why you need to defend Microsoft is beyond me, I made no harsh comments?
    I knew it was a preview and I knew it might be bad which it was...
    As I stated in my original post "No hard feelings..."
    My post was just to inform other 1020 owners that if they experience problems they are not alone.
    This...i had to take a picture of a document for getting approved for a house and the camera kept crashing.... Maps kept lodging GPS when I was driving downtown and can't even count the number of reboots which seemed to drain the battery like crazy.
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    10-13-2015 12:06 PM
  10. signal-2-noise's Avatar
    I'm tempted to roll back to 8.1 as well BUT there's something about that W10M GUI that makes me wanna stick with it. Besides, out of pure laziness I don't really want to re-download/install apps and other backups.
    10-13-2015 01:08 PM
  11. Skamath's Avatar
    I doubt if I even will update to W10. IMHO 1020 is not designed for W10 for that matter it is not even designed to be a really good "camera" phone for the time that it takes. I have tried the W10 preview and didn't like it on the 1020 but I am sure I will like it on the 950XL and if not wait for the next intel phones. It depends. For now 8.1 on 1020 will do me. TY MS for an eye opener
    mariusmuntean and murtaza_p like this.
    10-13-2015 01:13 PM
  12. donkiluminate's Avatar
    Yeah, I was holding out for a new build but just couldn't stand it anymore and downgraded(upgraded) back to 8.1. It's only 15 minutes out of my day to restore to 8.1 so I figured why not enjoy the buttery smoothness that is 8.1>

    Yes, I still think the current build sucks and has me as excited as a wet noodle
    Yes, I know this is a technical build and bugs are expected.
    Yes, I will will jump right in again when a new build is released
    10-13-2015 02:09 PM
  13. Shadow 024's Avatar
    Try resetting your phone after getting back to 8.1. I did the same thing.

    After returning back to Windows 8, my most recent backups were not listed (instead, older backups only). Once I got up to 8.1 I reset my phone and there it was.

    I assume this has to do with the way the backups are detected between the OS versions. Since I returned back to original 8, only 8 backups were shown (and not 8.1, which had more settings, features).
    Chintan Gohel and Blashkyrk like this.
    10-13-2015 04:15 PM
  14. fredd's Avatar
    This IS my main phone, my daily driver and NO it does NOT even work as a phone with this build.
    Yesterday I ended up not being able to make a very important phone call as the phone crashed and rebooted.
    The startup time after a reboot with this preview build was so slow that it took me almost 10 minutes before I could make that call.
    It was not this single incident that made me revert back but it was the thing that pushed me over the edge. Heck, it can't even make a phone call!?
    I don't care if there is a new build tomorrow or even today. I can't imagine it will be so much better that I would like to use it.

    Being back on WP8.1 Denim feels great actually. Things just work and the phone is quick and responsive as it should be.
    I will jump on the W10 wagon as soon as the RTM comes out but not before.

    So why you need to defend Microsoft is beyond me, I made no harsh comments?
    I knew it was a preview and I knew it might be bad which it was...
    As I stated in my original post "No hard feelings..."
    My post was just to inform other 1020 owners that if they experience problems they are not alone.
    I didnt see anything on my post about defending Microsoft or about anyone being harsh so why you made that comment Im not sure. I pretty much said whats a day or two more SORRY I offended you.
    GMC262 likes this.
    10-13-2015 04:23 PM
  15. Kevin Houle1's Avatar
    My 1020 seems to be running it fine after that .net update in the store. Battery seems fine too. 1020 is not my main, but I like having wm10 to test on it while my ativ s remains wp8.1. :)
    sent with my ativ s
    10-13-2015 05:09 PM
  16. Jazmac's Avatar
    Good move OP. No sense in struggling, praying and hoping longer than you need to. At least you got to sample what your new phone will be like. Just a heads up, going back to 8.1 there is an adjustment period. It is going to feel like you've stepped back to Windows Phone 7.
    10-13-2015 07:05 PM
  17. Kram Sacul's Avatar
    Good move OP. No sense in struggling, praying and hoping longer than you need to. At least you got to sample what your new phone will be like. Just a heads up, going back to 8.1 there is an adjustment period. It is going to feel like you've stepped back to Windows Phone 7.
    That would be an upgrade in UI and performance. W10M on my 820 felt more laggy than my Android phone from 2011.
    10-13-2015 07:55 PM
  18. Jazmac's Avatar
    That would be an upgrade in UI and performance. W10M on my 820 felt more laggy than my Android phone from 2011.
    Well, I can't speak for your 820 but I can speak for my HTC One M8 running the latest build. Its phenomenal. Even running 8.1, the 820 could not hold a candle to the M8. And based on what you're saying now, it still doesn't. HTC can build a Windows phone. They don't get press like a Samsung but even my first HTC running Windows 7 is still in great shape.
    GMC262 likes this.
    10-13-2015 08:13 PM
  19. Laurence_Leong's Avatar
    Couldn't agree more..
    1) the "resuming..." Is kinda annoying
    2) phone sometimes restart automatically
    4) awful battery life
    5) hot spot go off when screen is locked
    6) aps store, install/updates always stuck

    On the bright side, I love the action bar (like the android), the fresh-looking home screen, the calendar apps (view month + events simultaneously)

    *really couldn't "resuming..." Sometimes
    10-13-2015 08:24 PM
  20. Kram Sacul's Avatar
    Well, I can't speak for your 820 but I can speak for my HTC One M8 running the latest build. Its phenomenal. Even running 8.1, the 820 could not hold a candle to the M8. And based on what you're saying now, it still doesn't. HTC can build a Windows phone. They don't get press like a Samsung but even my first HTC running Windows 7 is still in great shape.
    When did this turn into a commercial for HTC?
    10-13-2015 08:42 PM
  21. Jazmac's Avatar
    When did this turn into a commercial for HTC?
    It didn't but what I said does sort of have that flava huh? lol.
    10-13-2015 09:41 PM
  22. Skamath's Avatar
    Well, I can't speak for your 820 but I can speak for my HTC One M8 running the latest build. Its phenomenal. Even running 8.1, the 820 could not hold a candle to the M8. And based on what you're saying now, it still doesn't. HTC can build a Windows phone. They don't get press like a Samsung but even my first HTC running Windows 7 is still in great shape.
    On a Tangent Jazmac Love the Avatar. back to the topic I think more than the OS the hardware is outdated which cant handle anything, but then again the OS meant for Lumias may not be the exact same for M8 * not sure about this maybe it is just the apps exclusive to Lumias* Am I right?

    Couldn't agree more..
    1) the "resuming..." Is kinda annoying
    2) phone sometimes restart automatically
    4) awful battery life
    5) hot spot go off when screen is locked
    6) aps store, install/updates always stuck

    On the bright side, I love the action bar (like the android), the fresh-looking home screen, the calendar apps (view month + events simultaneously)

    *really couldn't "resuming..." Sometimes
    1 resume screen on WP is mostly masked by splash screens on Droids and Ios
    2 Phone restart automatically rare as it is might happen with any phone. It is only a problem if it occurs everyday 5 -10 times a day, then again it is a preview.
    3. I don't know what to say, you don't have a point there ;) :P
    4. Battery life depends on what apps and processes are allowed in the background and for that matter the battery capacity and usage.
    5 &6 still a preview. which is why I got out.
    I don't think I want WP10 on the 1020. I feel like it is not designed for it. I rather a device meant to do it like one which Panos may come up with
    10-13-2015 11:08 PM
  23. Jazmac's Avatar
    On a Tangent Jazmac Love the Avatar. back to the topic I think more than the OS the hardware is outdated which cant handle anything, but then again the OS meant for Lumias may not be the exact same for M8 * not sure about this maybe it is just the apps exclusive to Lumias* Am I right?
    ...h
    Thanks on the avatar point but on the topic, your point about outdated hardware is noteworthy for sure. Not sure I follow the rest of your comment. I look at this, rightly or wrongly in the same way I look at running Windows on my existing hardware. I have several computers, some have a lot more age on it then my desktop. All run Windows 10 without a problem. In fact, I have an older iphone 5 running OS9 and an ipad One that runs OS9. It can't do everything the newer phones or tablets can run with OS9 but its functional enough to daily drive.

    The point is, just like Apple build both the hardware and software, MS built both of these as well. So I can't accept the 'age of the hardware' as a barrier to being able to run this OS with this crash rate. Yes its preview. Yes its a risk.

    My point is simply HTC builds a better phone.

    Don't get me wrong now, I dig Lumia. But Lumia has ALWAYS been an iffy product. In my experience, it took 3 returns to get a Lumia 900 that worked. It took 4 returns to get a 920 that I could use. When I got one, I didn't care about anything else. That's just me. My wife had 3 Lumia before she got one that worked. She won't own another Windows Phone now, let alone a Lumia.

    It took one HTC Arrive to work properly. It took one HTC One M8 to work properly running 8.1 then the latest TP build.
    Skamath likes this.
    10-14-2015 01:01 AM
  24. mariusmuntean's Avatar
    This IS my main phone, my daily driver and NO it does NOT even work as a phone with this build.
    Yesterday I ended up not being able to make a very important phone call as the phone crashed and rebooted.
    The startup time after a reboot with this preview build was so slow that it took me almost 10 minutes before I could make that call.
    It was not this single incident that made me revert back but it was the thing that pushed me over the edge. Heck, it can't even make a phone call!?
    I don't care if there is a new build tomorrow or even today. I can't imagine it will be so much better that I would like to use it.

    Being back on WP8.1 Denim feels great actually. Things just work and the phone is quick and responsive as it should be.
    I will jump on the W10 wagon as soon as the RTM comes out but not before.

    So why you need to defend Microsoft is beyond me, I made no harsh comments?
    I knew it was a preview and I knew it might be bad which it was...
    As I stated in my original post "No hard feelings..."
    My post was just to inform other 1020 owners that if they experience problems they are not alone.
    Most here defend MS for no obvious reason. Just blind fanboys that do not see the problems, only the small good things. I also had a superb 1020 and with windows 10 it was a horrible experience. Absolutely terrible!!! With the next 1520, things were a little better but still awful! When I reverted back to 8.1 on both it was like a total reborn of the phones, all things were working fast!! and with NO LAGS, NO LOADING, NO RESUMING again! Say welcome to the new Vista of mobiles: Windows 10
    10-14-2015 03:44 AM
  25. charish putta's Avatar
    Same here, 1020 camera feels like it has cancer in Windows10. I know its a TP and they say its in development, but why did they have to start everything from scratch instead of just improving existing stuff. Its just time consuming, its been a year since this developer preview has started. By this time Android would have released 2 updates :D. And after all this effort still there is app gap, they just took many cool things out of WP8.1. I would be just sticking with WP8.1 for a long time.
    murtaza_p likes this.
    10-14-2015 05:03 AM
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