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  1. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    What is missing still after today's update? There is now nothing in Lumia Camera that I can't do in Microsoft Camera as of today's update. Am I missing something?
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    Microsoft camera still takes poor pictures on my lumia 1020.

    Image taken with lumia camera -10-15MB in size
    Image taken with MS camera - 3-4MB

    MS camera pictures are still low quality. There's no action shot feature
    Refocus and cinemagraph stopped working as was advertised but no replacement has come
    11-06-2015 11:31 PM
  2. rhapdog's Avatar
    Microsoft camera still takes poor pictures on my lumia 1020.

    Image taken with lumia camera -10-15MB in size
    Image taken with MS camera - 3-4MB

    MS camera pictures are still low quality. There's no action shot feature
    Refocus and cinemagraph stopped working as was advertised but no replacement has come
    Check your image settings and make sure you have the correct MP resolution set. Microsoft had already stated they were working on an update for Microsoft Camera to support the full 41MP. I'm not sure if it has been released yet or not, so check your settings and see. If you can't get full 41MP yet, it will be coming.

    No action shot feature? Ah... You're looking for a set of "preconfigured" settings that allow for "Portrait Mode", "Action Shot", "Night Shot", etc. These are configurable manually for each shot, but that is a pain. Have you submitted this as a suggestion to Microsoft yet? That's what the Insider program is all about, you know.

    As far as Refocus and Cinemagraph go, Microsoft stated they were being discontinued, not "remade." Don't expect a replacement except from a 3rd party, if a 3rd party developer decides to do it.
    Ed Boland likes this.
    11-07-2015 06:54 AM
  3. mjyumping's Avatar
    I hope slow mo will also arrive for 1320 pls.
    11-07-2015 07:06 AM
  4. Zachary Boddy's Avatar
    I hope slow mo will also arrive for 1320 pls.
    It needs the hardware to do it. If it was coming to any lower end device, it'd be the PureView Lumia 830 (I'd definitely enjoy that) but Microsoft is being smart and not bringing a really low quality slow motion feature to a device that can barely handle it. Better to have it be higher quality and be exclusive to more powerful hardware.
    Hopefully the Lumia 950 and 950 XL will be able to do it a full HD and the 950 XL should be able to do it at 240fps.
    Ed Boland likes this.
    11-07-2015 08:20 AM
  5. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    Check your image settings and make sure you have the correct MP resolution set. Microsoft had already stated they were working on an update for Microsoft Camera to support the full 41MP. I'm not sure if it has been released yet or not, so check your settings and see. If you can't get full 41MP yet, it will be coming.

    No action shot feature? Ah... You're looking for a set of "preconfigured" settings that allow for "Portrait Mode", "Action Shot", "Night Shot", etc. These are configurable manually for each shot, but that is a pain. Have you submitted this as a suggestion to Microsoft yet? That's what the Insider program is all about, you know.

    As far as Refocus and Cinemagraph go, Microsoft stated they were being discontinued, not "remade." Don't expect a replacement except from a 3rd party, if a 3rd party developer decides to do it.
    I've checked, there's no setting for changing image resolution settings. The pixel is correct but the image is poor in quality. So you're right in saying that the update hasn't come for lumia 1020 yet

    By action shot I meant smart sequence, the feature where a burst of photos are taken and after which you can get certain effects out of it such as motion blur, change faces, etc
    11-07-2015 09:41 AM
  6. vodda's Avatar
    It needs the hardware to do it.Hopefully the Lumia 950 and 950 XL will be able to do it a full HD and the 950 XL should be able to do it at 240fps.
    Meanwhile a poor dual core iphone is capable of 240fps...and WP would need octa core phone?
    11-07-2015 09:55 AM
  7. rhapdog's Avatar
    I've checked, there's no setting for changing image resolution settings. The pixel is correct but the image is poor in quality. So you're right in saying that the update hasn't come for lumia 1020 yet

    By action shot I meant smart sequence, the feature where a burst of photos are taken and after which you can get certain effects out of it such as motion blur, change faces, etc
    You're right. Resolution settings aren't there yet. Definitely needs implementing.

    If you want the "action shot", then go into "settings", and use the drop down for "Press and hold camera button" and select "Photo burst." That's the closest thing you're going to get at this point.
    11-07-2015 10:40 AM
  8. Ed Boland's Avatar


    IDK for you, but there's a noticeable difference in quality of the pictures for me. The functionc that the app itself provides are the same, even better with slow-mo now, however the quality is lower I think. Most of my pictures are really noisy/grainy.
    And you've gone into the respective app's settings, and made sure the settings for the captured image size match?
    11-07-2015 11:48 AM
  9. Ed Boland's Avatar
    This thread may have strayed off the Slow Motion topic, but that's alright with me, as we're still talking about the Microsoft Camera app in general...

    I was just playing around with both app's settings on my 1520 and taking pics to compare when I noticed DNG (RAW) mode seems to be broken in Microsoft Camera at the moment. Evidently, the latest update, (or one of the latest updates) not only added the "Slow Motion feature", but seems to have broken other elements of the photo/imaging capability of Microsoft Camera. It seems that (on my 1520 anyway) all pics taken with Microsoft Camera at the moment are stuck at only being 1440x1080 resolution (@ 4:3), on the 19MP setting, but saves a 2592x1936 image while set at the 5MP setting... Like they've got it backwards! Weird!

    So I take back what I said about the two apps earlier. Apparently, Microsoft Camera does have a lot of catching up to do!

    I'm just happy that Lumia Camera 5 still works great on my 1520 in the meantime!
    11-07-2015 12:45 PM
  10. Zachary Boddy's Avatar
    Meanwhile a poor dual core iphone is capable of 240fps...and WP would need octa core phone?
    That dual core processor you're talking about is actually very powerful and is extremely optimized with Apple's software. Something Microsoft wouldn't be able to do unless they made their own processors. You talk about the number of cores like it's actually important. The point of eight cores is not for power, it's for efficiency. Only four of the 810's cores are used at a time and with Apple's software optimizations and a processor built exactly to Apple's specifications they have no problem keeping up with Qualcomm and Samsung. The quad-core Snapdragon 400 is nowhere near as powerful as Apple's A9 dual-core, and there's no denying that.

    Besides, as far as I know, the Snapdragon 808 is only capable of 120 FPS. The Snapdragon 810 is the only Qualcomm that can do slow motion at 240 FPS. This being why the Nexus 6P has 240 FPS slow motion and the Nexus 5X only has 120 FPS.
    Last edited by Zachary Boddy; 11-07-2015 at 01:36 PM. Reason: Added...things. Stuff. 'Cause reasons.
    11-07-2015 01:34 PM
  11. Zachary Boddy's Avatar
    This thread may have strayed off the Slow Motion topic, but that's alright with me, as we're still talking about the Microsoft Camera app in general...

    I was just playing around with both app's settings on my 1520 and taking pics to compare when I noticed DNG (RAW) mode seems to be broken in Microsoft Camera at the moment. Evidently, the latest update, (or one of the latest updates) not only added the "Slow Motion feature", but seems to have broken other elements of the photo/imaging capability of Microsoft Camera. It seems that (on my 1520 anyway) all pics taken with Microsoft Camera at the moment are stuck at only being 1440x1080 resolution (@ 4:3), on the 19MP setting, but saves a 2592x1936 image while set at the 5MP setting... Like they've got it backwards! Weird!

    So I take back what I said about the two apps earlier. Apparently, Microsoft Camera does have a lot of catching up to do!

    I'm just happy that Lumia Camera 5 still works great on my 1520 in the meantime!
    Yeah I hope Microsoft figures out their camera and fast because they've really been selling the cameras on the Lumia 950's (with good reason too). I want these phones to succeed and they're not going to if one of their most talked about features doesn't work as advertised.
    Last edited by Zachary Boddy; 11-07-2015 at 01:38 PM. Reason: I made a grammar booboo. So I removed it. Violently.
    11-07-2015 01:38 PM
  12. xandros9's Avatar
    Meanwhile a poor dual core iphone is capable of 240fps...and WP would need octa core phone?
    That comparison is almost completely meaningless.

    The Lumia 630 had a processor that is quad-core, my laptop is dual-core. Gee, the phone must be more powerful!
    11-07-2015 03:22 PM
  13. CygnusOrion's Avatar
    Exactly. I hope with the new 950/950XL (and later) phones, we'll be able to record 240fps or more to compete with the iPhones. 120fps is a start.
    You need a mobile chip that is as powerful as the A9 to do 240fps@720p. Also the iPhone 6S can do 1080p@120fps. Simply a beastly processor.
    11-07-2015 07:53 PM
  14. CygnusOrion's Avatar
    That comparison is almost completely meaningless.

    The Lumia 630 had a processor that is quad-core, my laptop is dual-core. Gee, the phone must be more powerful!
    The iPhone chip destroys the top end Qualcomm in single-core performance.
    11-07-2015 07:54 PM
  15. xandros9's Avatar
    The iPhone chip destroys the top end Qualcomm in single-core performance.
    Do iPhone's destroy Qualcomm equipped phones in x?

    Where x is a given activity, whether calculating pi, launching facebook, etc. There's a lot of factors going into end-use performance.
    11-07-2015 08:51 PM
  16. vodda's Avatar
    It seems that (on my 1520 anyway) all pics taken with Microsoft Camera at the moment are stuck at only being 1440x1080 resolution (@ 4:3), on the 19MP setting, but saves a 2592x1936 image while set at the 5MP setting... Like they've got it backwards! Weird!

    So I take back what I said about the two apps earlier. Apparently, Microsoft Camera does have a lot of catching up to do!
    I had similar issues on my 930 a few builds ago, all photos stucked in 1080p while others here reported everything fine for them. I believe it was an app update or a phone soft reset that fixed it.

    so now it works fine, normal photos stored in 3024 x 5376 resolution. Maybe give your phone a few soft resets or you are just unlucky and have to wait for new app/build upgrade.

    Zachary Boddy; thanks for that explanation, I always assumed WP is very hardware optimized as it worked flawless even on very basic models with poor cpu/RAM (like 620/520), seems I was/am wrong.

    Which is a shame, a slow motion or 240fps recording would be an awesome feature for me and actually a first time my phone's camre would be useful.

    Maybe something like surface phone will bring 240 or even 300fps recording. Maybe m$ will work close with intel and releasing x84 intel mobile cpu that will do wonders.
    Ed Boland likes this.
    11-08-2015 12:28 AM
  17. Maurizio Troso's Avatar
    The iPhone chip destroys the top end Qualcomm in single-core performance.
    Are we talking about adults only phones here, or iStuff's ? ;)
    11-08-2015 03:04 AM
  18. Zachary Boddy's Avatar
    I had similar issues on my 930 a few builds ago, all photos stucked in 1080p while others here reported everything fine for them. I believe it was an app update or a phone soft reset that fixed it.

    so now it works fine, normal photos stored in 3024 x 5376 resolution. Maybe give your phone a few soft resets or you are just unlucky and have to wait for new app/build upgrade.

    Zachary Boddy; thanks for that explanation, I always assumed WP is very hardware optimized as it worked flawless even on very basic models with poor cpu/RAM (like 620/520), seems I was/am wrong.

    Which is a shame, a slow motion or 240fps recording would be an awesome feature for me and actually a first time my phone's camre would be useful.

    Maybe something like surface phone will bring 240 or even 300fps recording. Maybe m$ will work close with intel and releasing x84 intel mobile cpu that will do wonders.
    Windows Mobile is very hardware optimized, although not quite to the extend as Apple (since our mobile processors are not built in-house and can not be built with Windows Mobile in mind). Windows Mobile is one of the most efficient operating systems in existence. It's why my Lumia 520 is still perfectly usable. But some things you simply need powerful hardware for, like "Hey Cortana", high megapixel cameras, QuickCharge, and extra camera features like 4K recording and slow motion. Windows Mobile does a lot with low end hardware but there's only so much that hardware can do.
    11-08-2015 08:13 AM
  19. Zachary Boddy's Avatar
    You need a mobile chip that is as powerful as the A9 to do 240fps@720p. Also the iPhone 6S can do 1080p@120fps. Simply a beastly processor.
    The Qualcomm 810 is fully capable of 240 FPS at 720p and most likely 120 FPS at 1080p. The 808 cannot do 240 FPS but I believe it can do 120 FPS at 1080p.
    11-08-2015 08:14 AM
  20. CygnusOrion's Avatar
    The Qualcomm 810 is fully capable of 240 FPS at 720p and most likely 120 FPS at 1080p. The 808 cannot do 240 FPS but I believe it can do 120 FPS at 1080p.
    Yeah except the Qualcomm 810 has serious overheating issues. They just keep getting out-engineered by Apple. The 810 is like 8-cores compared to only a dual-core for the A9. Amazing by Apple!
    11-08-2015 05:24 PM
  21. Zachary Boddy's Avatar
    Yeah except the Qualcomm 810 has serious overheating issues. They just keep getting out-engineered by Apple. The 810 is like 8-cores compared to only a dual-core for the A9. Amazing by Apple!
    You also have to remember that the Apple A9 is massively optimized to run perfectly with iOS. It doesn't have the brute power that the top Qualcomm processors do. Put the A9 in an Android phone and it would hold its own but I guarantee those benchmarks wouldn't look so hot anymore. Yes, it's very impressive, but it's only "very impressive" when it stays in the iPhone. Qualcomm messed up with the 810 but processors like the 800, 801, and 805 (and even the 808) have always been able to hold their own against Apple's processors even without the massive software optimization. If you look at benchmarks, some phones get hugely better or worse scores even with the exact same processor. Why? Because of the software. Software is half of the performance. I'm certain that if you benchmark the Lumia 950 it'll get higher average scores than a comparative Android because Windows 10 Mobile is more efficient. Is the Snapdragon 808 in the Lumia 950 more powerful? Of course not. It's just running more efficient software.

    You also have to take into account that having eight cores is NOT as important as people seem to think it is. It doesn't give you any more performance than having four cores. The entire point of an octa-core processor is NOT to be more powerful, but to be more efficient. Half the processor is the high-powered side, and the other half is the low-powered side. It's called big.LITTLE architecture.
    11-08-2015 09:06 PM
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