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01-12-2016 05:35 PM
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  1. MP3Mike's Avatar
    I'm surprised that there hasn't been any discussion about the issue that if you join the Insider program that you don't get firmware updates. (Microsoft has said that the firmware updates aren't loaded on the update server that Insiders get pointed to.)

    That and the only way to leave the Insider program is to reset your phone, either through a factory reset or the WDRT.

    I really want the firmware update, but I'm not ready to do a wipe/re-setup that takes 5+ hours just yet.

    I'm hoping that they come to their senses and load the updates on to the Insiders update servers...
    z8er likes this.
    01-07-2016 12:29 AM
  2. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    I'm surprised that there hasn't been any discussion about the issue that if you join the Insider program that you don't get firmware updates. (Microsoft has said that the firmware updates aren't loaded on the update server that Insiders get pointed to.)

    That and the only way to leave the Insider program is to reset your phone, either through a factory reset or the WDRT.

    I really want the firmware update, but I'm not ready to do a wipe/re-setup that takes 5+ hours just yet.

    I'm hoping that they come to their senses and load the updates on to the Insiders update servers...
    which phone?
    01-07-2016 03:00 AM
  3. anon(3463402)'s Avatar
    That and the only way to leave the Insider program is to reset your phone, either through a factory reset or the WDRT.
    To leave the Insider program open your WI app and choose 'leave program' in three dots menu.
    Anix90s likes this.
    01-07-2016 11:06 AM
  4. signal-2-noise's Avatar
    And once you've left the Insider program do not, I repeat DO NOT, go outside or answer your doorbell forever after.
    TheChazas likes this.
    01-07-2016 11:11 AM
  5. Maurizio Troso's Avatar
    I'm surprised that there hasn't been any discussion about the issue that if you join the Insider program that you don't get firmware updates. (Microsoft has said that the firmware updates aren't loaded on the update server that Insiders get pointed to.)
    Win10 mobile doesn't use firmware except the one for cellular calls and data on branded phone , carrier propriety.
    It uses software routines same as desktop drivers.
    That's for bypassing carriers extreme late of official s.o. updates in the past (lot of Lumia blocked in Cyan due to carriers)
    There was an article somewhere on Central
    01-07-2016 11:16 AM
  6. BaritoneGuy's Avatar
    Win10 mobile doesn't use firmware except the one for cellular calls and data on branded phone , carrier propriety.
    It uses software routines same as desktop drivers.
    That's for bypassing carriers extreme late of official s.o. updates in the past (lot of Lumia blocked in Cyan due to carriers)
    There was an article somewhere on Central
    That is not correct. There are 2 levels of firmware. One for the radios/cellular data part and another for the rest of the microcontrollers like display adapters, processors, USB controllers, bluetooth, BIOS etc...

    This firmware is for the latter unless your device is unbranded from MS and may contain both.
    01-07-2016 12:00 PM
  7. MP3Mike's Avatar
    To leave the Insider program open your WI app and choose 'leave program' in three dots menu.
    That removes you from the Insider program, it does not remove your phone from getting Insider builds.
    jhoff80 and Allen Rhodes like this.
    01-07-2016 06:05 PM
  8. MP3Mike's Avatar
    which phone?
    I imagine all of them, but in this case the 950/950XL.
    01-07-2016 06:05 PM
  9. MP3Mike's Avatar
    Win10 mobile doesn't use firmware except the one for cellular calls and data on branded phone , carrier propriety.
    It uses software routines same as desktop drivers.
    That's for bypassing carriers extreme late of official s.o. updates in the past (lot of Lumia blocked in Cyan due to carriers)
    There was an article somewhere on Central
    Not true, have you looked at the fix list for the 950/950XL firmware?

    * Stability and performance improvements.
    * Improvements for SD memory card support.
    * Improvements for automatic display brightness settings.
    * Fix for a camera problem that was causing noisy images in low-light conditions for some users.
    * Fix for a 4K video problem that was causing stripes to show up while playing back recorded videos for some users.

    I am suffering from random reboots because of the SD card issues.
    Allen Rhodes likes this.
    01-07-2016 06:08 PM
  10. anguilla1980's Avatar
    Just do a full backup and hard reset, it's not a big deal....
    01-07-2016 06:08 PM
  11. MP3Mike's Avatar
    Just do a full backup and hard reset, it's not a big deal....
    Sure no big deal other than 5+ hours of setup/download, loss of settings, loss of game progress, loss of text message history, etc... (Text message history may, or may, not restore over the days/weeks after a reset.)
    01-07-2016 06:10 PM
  12. mcgilli's Avatar
    And once you've left the Insider program do not, I repeat DO NOT, go outside or answer your doorbell forever after.
    Best laugh I've had all day....
    01-07-2016 11:50 PM
  13. TheChazas's Avatar
    Try Device Recovery Tool, I got it there.
    01-08-2016 07:36 AM
  14. Tafsern's Avatar
    Sure no big deal other than 5+ hours
    5+ hours....? I've done it several times. Never got me past 2 hours.
    01-08-2016 09:04 AM
  15. rollindice's Avatar
    Not true, have you looked at the fix list for the 950/950XL firmware?

    * Stability and performance improvements.
    * Improvements for SD memory card support.
    * Improvements for automatic display brightness settings.
    * Fix for a camera problem that was causing noisy images in low-light conditions for some users.
    * Fix for a 4K video problem that was causing stripes to show up while playing back recorded videos for some users.

    I am suffering from random reboots because of the SD card issues.
    which sd card do you have?
    01-08-2016 09:35 AM
  16. Michael Papadopoulos's Avatar
    5+ hours....? I've done it several times. Never got me past 2 hours.
    It doesn't matter how many hours it takes.
    As long as not all apps are backed up (and I have plenty of those) you can't be sure that you won't miss something.
    01-08-2016 09:40 AM
  17. Allen Rhodes's Avatar
    Its just not on the Insider server, thats the issue. Its not that Insiders wont, just not right now. the firmware is to FIX known issues, its not dev preview software. So, if you are truly using the insider program as intended, its not a big deal because its not really meant for daily driver phones. Use WDRT, get the firmware, re-enroll, ta-daa. No drama needed. MS NEEDS to make the retail customers happy first, PERIOD. These issues are a black eye that can cause people to not buy the product. Why should the devs get it first if it doesnt need testing? Should it have been on our server too, yes. But im sure there is a reason why it wasnt/isnt. The dev preview, again sounding like a broken record, is intended for app developers and NOT the general public who think they are special to get the latest and greatest features.
    01-08-2016 12:24 PM
  18. ajj3085's Avatar
    Sure no big deal other than 5+ hours of setup/download, loss of settings, loss of game progress, loss of text message history, etc... (Text message history may, or may, not restore over the days/weeks after a reset.)
    I saw the text message thing recently. My 920 no longer gets a cellular signal so i moved the sim to a 520. I saw the text messages would stop restoring, and found that if you go into the settings, turn off text message backup, wait a few seconds, and flip it back on itd kickstart it again. Had to do that several times, but it seemed to work.
    01-08-2016 08:03 PM
  19. ajj3085's Avatar
    Its just not on the Insider server, thats the issue. Its not that Insiders wont, just not right now. the firmware is to FIX known issues, its not dev preview software. So, if you are truly using the insider program as intended, its not a big deal because its not really meant for daily driver phones. Use WDRT, get the firmware, re-enroll, ta-daa. No drama needed. MS NEEDS to make the retail customers happy first, PERIOD. These issues are a black eye that can cause people to not buy the product. Why should the devs get it first if it doesnt need testing? Should it have been on our server too, yes. But im sure there is a reason why it wasnt/isnt. The dev preview, again sounding like a broken record, is intended for app developers and NOT the general public who think they are special to get the latest and greatest features.
    No, this is just plain silly. Sometimes software fixes rely on certain firmware fixes to be in place. Sometimes bugs are only present in some combination of hardware, firmware, and software. Testing software fixes on phones that don't match the firmware version normal retail customers have is a misstep. You always want your test environment as close to the production one as possible, ideally they are identical (except for the software you're testing).
    MP3Mike likes this.
    01-08-2016 08:10 PM
  20. gentry33's Avatar
    Define "Insider".
    I am not a developer nor am I an IT tech, though I have monkeyed with App Studio to side load web wrappers for local institutions for which there are no apps. I will consider myself to be general public when W10M exceeds 10% marketshare in the U.S. At 2.3% for all Windows Phone OS's (depending on reported statistics from various sources) of which W10M is a small part I would think puts any user in beta. As an adult and informed user I will install new builds that bring bug fixes and OS optimizations hoping to improve what I consider to be a lackluster battery performance. Feature come and features go, not everyone is always happy about it but that is life in the big city.
    I know the risks and will use WDRT when and if necessary. I am a Windows mobile (phone) enthusiast and have been since launch of WP7.
    01-09-2016 09:49 AM
  21. signal-2-noise's Avatar
    Best laugh I've had all day....
    I'm sorry about your day then.
    01-11-2016 01:32 PM
  22. Michael Papadopoulos's Avatar
    I decided to get the update thru WDRT.
    All my photos and videos were in the SD card so I've decided to take it out during the update.
    After the initial download of 3 GB and flashing of the phone, I finally had the new firmware, but the OS was on .11.
    And then I started the initial setup. After 7 hours (it had to update 150 apps, download maps, download .29 update) I finished.

    I noticed that apart from my Wifi passwords, Windows account and outlook email, the alarms and the start screen, I had to re do all the remaining setup on apps that I use (facebook, microsoft authenticator, ebay, amazon etc).
    Also I lost some stuff that I needed and forgot to backup.
    After all this the question is ... was it worth it?

    If you are after the camera the answer is yes. The camera is much improved.
    The phone runs cooler after the update but the battery is the same as before. I still lose 1% every 20 mins on standby. So if you do it for the battery you wont see any improvement.
    As for the other fixes, I didn't notice anything different.
    Last edited by Michael Papadopoulos; 01-12-2016 at 03:14 AM.
    01-11-2016 06:46 PM
  23. MP3Mike's Avatar
    You could have saved some time by just doing a factory reset, which doesn't restore an old version of the OS, and then got the firmware via WU.
    01-11-2016 08:08 PM
  24. BaritoneGuy's Avatar
    You could have saved some time by just doing a factory reset, which doesn't restore an old version of the OS, and then got the firmware via WU.
    Are you 100% sure this works?
    01-12-2016 09:14 AM
  25. Michael Papadopoulos's Avatar
    Are you 100% sure this works?
    You don't have to do it anymore.
    They fixed the Windows Insider app. When you un-enroll, it puts you back into production update servers.

    If only I knew it before wiping my phone....
    01-12-2016 11:20 AM
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