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05-02-2016 10:45 AM
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  1. pepsicocom's Avatar
    I hated it. If it comes back, I hope there will be a way to toggle it on or off. On my dual SIM 950XL, the Skype messages showed up in the messages for both SIMs.
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    04-23-2016 01:07 PM
  2. jbestman's Avatar

    You like the new way it's handled? Great either ignore this thread of create your own thread of how much you like the change.
    So, you want to have a thread without dissenting voices? If we do not agree with your complaints we should just ignore the thread? That does not make sense.

    Your point about wanting it tightly integrated has been made several times over. We get it. Some of us do not agree with you. We want it separated. I personally want to keep my sms/mms as far away from Skype as possible.

    And no, I cannot take your advice and ignore this thread. That would be dumb. It would give a false picture of more people wanting it integrated when that might not be the case.
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    04-23-2016 01:16 PM
  3. RumoredNow's Avatar
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    04-23-2016 01:36 PM
  4. Alberto Semenzato's Avatar
    I agree both with those who hated skype, but also with those who loved it in messaging.
    My GF is from the US and I live in Europe, we use skype every day exchanging hundreds messages (and some calls) per session.
    It IS frustrating (I'm not on the redstone branch, but I was in the preview before), and I encountered many issues since November:
    - The app was definitely draining battery, even on standby, mostly when using data connection. Now, after few updates, it works much better.
    - Messages suddenly stop synching and device starts heating like a stove (both on phone and surface, on surface you can see the skype process starts using most of the CPU power and even disk I/O). You could literally cook eggs and bacon on it.
    - Notifications sometimes not notifying anything. (in the last month it happens every day to me).
    - The dreaded "couldn't send" message that requires you to wait days for it to be fixed. (it happened to me 3-4 times since November, and there was nothing to do than turning skype integration off and waiting)
    - Sometimes you hit send and you don't know if your message is really sent because the app just hang there. Then you close it, reopen it and it sends the message.
    - Every single update of the messaging app broke the experience for hours, sometimes requiring many reboots.
    - Switching from phone to desktop and from desktop to phone sometimes breaks the conversation, leaving only the current device working and all the other hanged (again hot like a stove, few reboots required to make it working again).
    - Sometimes conversations splits, and you have an old conversation and a new working one (this happened twice to me).

    Honestly, the whole skype experience with integrated apps is crap to me.

    That said, I DO love the concept of having all my conversations in a single messaging app, and I hope while publishing the Universal App they can still hook everything in messaging and let me choose the medium (also for xbox, since they did it for people). Actually they should open messaging integration to third parties and I hope other publishers (like WhatsApp) will give you the chance to hook their application to messaging (I know this is fiction, but.. That would be really cool to me)

    MS concept of having a single messaging hub is more than good, it's excellent, realization though is.. Well, horribly handled.
    Whatever they do though, I hope this is the LAST change they make, for good. I have this bad feeling they don't have a real plan and are just trying multiple path, but this is confusing for both them and more important, to all of us. They should just make a plan and stick with it.
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    04-24-2016 04:43 AM
  5. PiGeonCZ's Avatar
    I hated it. If it comes back, I hope there will be a way to toggle it on or off. On my dual SIM 950XL, the Skype messages showed up in the messages for both SIMs.
    I am quite sad it is gone.
    The mobile network operators are greedy and want us to pay a lot for SMS, no matter how long the SMS is they always charge you for 160 characters (70 for Unicode). The messaging+skype integration was quite easy to use and it could have save us some money.

    You are right, the implementation had some glitches, but overall it wasn't that bad and it was optional so I don't get the hysteria.
    The only thing it needed was to take care of the extra battery drain and bring some automatic algorithm which will route the message through SMS channel if skype isn't available for some reason.

    I was more unhappy about the missed calls from the skype video, all of which were actually just some unsolicited calls from someone who is not on my contact list.

    I am quite sure I will not bother to have the new Skype UWP always running, because it will then eat much more memory than the messaging up. And I hope they will come back with some lightweight app or integration.

    regards

    PiGeon
    04-24-2016 06:51 AM
  6. Bobvfr's Avatar
    One thing clear from this thread is it's a divisive issue, and when you have division the best option is CHOICE.

    I don't see why we cant have a long called for simple universal app (That works this time), the desktop program and the messaging app (Switch on and offable), Skype is going to the cloud, what client picks up that info is almost unimportant so PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE Microsoft, listen to your customers and give a choice.
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    04-24-2016 03:43 PM
  7. SIARHEI KUCHUK's Avatar
    Skype eats accumulator very fast. As for me its a good decision. More better decision was to make it optional.
    Maurizio Troso likes this.
    04-24-2016 04:51 PM
  8. Florin_Anghel's Avatar
    I don't understand why people say Skype integrated eats battery, who told you that the UWP app won't? lol
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    04-25-2016 02:47 AM
  9. Maurizio Troso's Avatar
    I don't understand why people say Skype integrated eats battery, who told you that the UWP app won't? lol
    Maybe UWP could be the same, but Messages+skype eating battery was a proven fact tested on the field on various phones by many forumer.
    In forum first recommandation when a phone reached a drain up to 10% per hour in stanby, was logut SkypeVideo for disabling integration.

    When UWP will be out, then we'll complaint about it ;)
    04-25-2016 03:10 AM
  10. Florin_Anghel's Avatar
    Maybe UWP could be the same, but Messages+skype eating battery was a proven fact tested on the field on various phones by many forumer.
    In forum first recommandation when a phone reached a drain up to 10% per hour in stanby, was logut SkypeVideo for disabling integration.

    When UWP will be out, then we'll complaint about it ;)
    Then why are you happy it got removed when you could just logout from the integration?
    That is just like "I don't like onedrive from photos sync! - ok then disable syncing - no, remove the service for good from the photos app!" it is just stupid when you have the possibility to sign out but you are more pleased with the killing of the integration.
    Users these days...no wonder this platform is doomed.
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    04-25-2016 05:23 AM
  11. Maurizio Troso's Avatar
    And please ,respect each other opinion. Next time all togheter we'll complain about how bad will be UWP. I Bet it!
    04-25-2016 05:38 AM
  12. Laura Knotek's Avatar
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    04-25-2016 11:49 PM
  13. Paolo Ferrazza's Avatar
    I'd like to understand why having skype and sms mixed up in the same page would be preferrable to have them in separate apps, you are not losing functionality just separating two things that are separate for all other providers (viber, whatsapp, fbmessenger, wechat), so it is becoming more consistent. You can still convert a normal phone call to a skype call from the phone app, that's a smart and useful integration.
    04-26-2016 05:03 AM
  14. Paolo Ferrazza's Avatar
    Then why are you happy it got removed when you could just logout from the integration?
    That is just like "I don't like onedrive from photos sync! - ok then disable syncing - no, remove the service for good from the photos app!" it is just stupid when you have the possibility to sign out but you are more pleased with the killing of the integration.
    Users these days...no wonder this platform is doomed.
    It isn't stupid, you develop one way to achieve one goal, that's how you develop things properly. You are not losing functionality nor usability. The photos app must show photos, so being able to show photos from many containers looks like a useful integration. Being able to show skype in the sms app, can't see the usecase for this, are you using SMS and skype messages in the same chat with the same person often? That would be the only usecase for which this integration would be needed.
    04-26-2016 05:07 AM
  15. swanlee's Avatar
    I'd like to understand why having skype and sms mixed up in the same page would be preferrable to have them in separate apps, you are not losing functionality just separating two things that are separate for all other providers (viber, whatsapp, fbmessenger, wechat), so it is becoming more consistent. You can still convert a normal phone call to a skype call from the phone app, that's a smart and useful integration.
    I'm losing features, right now I cannot reply to a skype message inline on the notification like I could before and like I can to SMS texts.

    I get a skype notification, then have to manually open the app and find the conversation the notification came from, 90% of the time the recent text that triggered the notification isn't even displaying properly within the conversation. All of this to respond to a Skype text where before I could just reply in the notification itself like an SMS text.

    Why do I want to have to manually open separate apps for things when it can be easily displayed in a single place and have it's behaviour consistent with other message types?

    The mobile world is moving towards OS integration and consistent behaviour, it is silly to have to open separate apps and do wildly different things for each type of communication method.
    sahib lopez likes this.
    04-26-2016 06:50 AM
  16. Jeddic's Avatar
    The photos app must show photos, so being able to show photos from many containers looks like a useful integration.
    The Messaging app is to show Messages. Given that Skype is the closest thing MS has to iMessage, this was MS' solution to allow users an alternative to SMS that they could still see inline with their SMS and MMS messages. It was honestly a great idea and works well. That said, having a separate app that handles all of the Skype functionality would be good, assuming they can get it to work. But even with a separate app it's important that features get integrated where needed, IE calling/messaging from People, Skype calls from Phone and Messaging, etc.
    04-26-2016 06:59 AM
  17. Paolo Ferrazza's Avatar
    So for both of you the answer is: the UWP app for skype with replies integrated in the notifications pane. If the app is not ready for redstone release (which I hihgly doubt since it is already almost finished by the looks of the preview) then your complaints will be understandable :)
    04-26-2016 07:07 AM
  18. Alberto Semenzato's Avatar
    (snip) are you using SMS and skype messages in the same chat with the same person often? That would be the only usecase for which this integration would be needed.
    I do. You see, since the introduction of Windows Phone 7 and its integration with other social networks I don't really see messaging as an SMS app only but hopefully as an app where all my conversation will reside, sorted by contact. It just sounds as natural as having the people app with social updates from different social network for every contact. People for social updates, messaging for text conversations.
    Skype integration was a natural and very well welcomed addition and it might sound fiction, but if they will integrate UWP skype to messaging like now, it means other apps could do the same, and I really hope they will.
    When I want to text someone, I just want to open messaging and send a text, not to remember which app to use, wait for it to open, and sent the text.
    I don't want an app for each medium, but to choose medium within a single, consistent interface. I miss the days where facebook messaging, messenger and sms all resided in a single app, but everybody knows it was definitely impossible to maintain. Giving vendors the opportunity to hook their app to messaging and update it indipendently though, that's a different story, and could be done for sure.

    Again this probably sounds fiction to most of you, but I love the clean and simple interface of the messaging app, and that's where I want to conversate with my contacts.
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    04-26-2016 09:25 AM
  19. swanlee's Avatar
    I do. You see, since the introduction of Windows Phone 7 and its integration with other social networks I don't really see messaging as an SMS app only but hopefully as an app where all my conversation will reside, sorted by contact. It just sounds as natural as having the people app with social updates from different social network for every contact. People for social updates, messaging for text conversations.
    Skype integration was a natural and very well welcomed addition and it might sound fiction, but if they will integrate UWP skype to messaging like now, it means other apps could do the same, and I really hope they will.
    When I want to text someone, I just want to open messaging and send a text, not to remember which app to use, wait for it to open, and sent the text.
    I don't want an app for each medium, but to choose medium within a single, consistent interface. I miss the days where facebook messaging, messenger and sms all resided in a single app, but everybody knows it was definitely impossible to maintain. Giving vendors the opportunity to hook their app to messaging and update it indipendently though, that's a different story, and could be done for sure.

    Again this probably sounds fiction to most of you, but I love the clean and simple interface of the messaging app, and that's where I want to conversate with my contacts.
    Same here I Skype my wife all through the day, she has to use Skype for her work desktop and she can't have her cell phone on so it is the way we communicate with each other during work hours. Worked great before with integrated Skype now it just really sucks, I miss full conversations, can't reply inline, the separate Skype app doesn't pick up the conversations in the notifications when I do get them.

    Why would anyone want the hassle of using separate apps for what is just basic Text/Voice/video communication?
    Last edited by swanlee; 04-26-2016 at 10:07 AM.
    04-26-2016 09:50 AM
  20. Paolo Ferrazza's Avatar
    Well the point is: THIS IS NOT COMING BACK. As simple as that. You'll be able to read and answer to all messages in the notification center from any messaging app (if they are UWP so...sms, skype, fb messenger soon and hopefully others), that will be your main hub that collects all the messages. If you want to do more (i.e. review the conversation or do more complex actions) you will have to open the app.

    While you can't please everyone this is a very nice compromise to integrate everything in one hub while still keeping the development of each app to their own developers without having duplicate functionality.
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    04-26-2016 10:50 AM
  21. Alberto Semenzato's Avatar
    This is not what it says the last UWP announcement, and honestly, I'm really wondering why all this anger and frustration from both sides.

    The mobile release of the Skype UWP Preview app will bring you features you've asked forlike group calling and morewhile leveraging the benefits of the Skype integration into Windows 10 you previously experienced, like a single view of your SMS and Skype conversations. This way you get the best Skype experience possible and you can take it across your Windows devices.
    Now, maybe I'm not a native English speaker and I'm missing something, but it sounds exactly like somehow integrating Skype UWP into messaging to me.

    And I, like everyone else who supports this feature, am hoping for that, support and call for it strongly as much as we hope for a real full-fledged (and hopefully working) skype app. What I'm saying is just because you don't understand or find a particular feature useful, this does not means it's useless to everyone or worse, nonsense.
    Having a single point to view all your conversations is a feature of the messaging app indeed, and for some of us a very warmly welcomed one, that could possibly extend to Xbox and other messaging services later.

    I think everyone will be satisfied when they'll release the UWP version, both integration fans and those who wants different apps. And if I weren't proven right they would have missed another great opportunity. Again. That's the real point in all of this, because again, that would mean they had no plans and end game vision for the whole thing and they were just throwing out features randomly, leaving everyone confused. Something they've been doing for years, for god's shake. And that's exactly what we should shout out loud against.
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    04-26-2016 03:42 PM
  22. salazka's Avatar
    Seriously? They AGAIN make a huge fuss about integrated messaging and remove it? Again? ...
    04-27-2016 10:11 AM
  23. seldzar's Avatar
    This is not what it says the last UWP announcement, and honestly, I'm really wondering why all this anger and frustration from both sides.



    Now, maybe I'm not a native English speaker and I'm missing something, but it sounds exactly like somehow integrating Skype UWP into messaging to me.

    And I, like everyone else who supports this feature, am hoping for that, support and call for it strongly as much as we hope for a real full-fledged (and hopefully working) skype app. What I'm saying is just because you don't understand or find a particular feature useful, this does not means it's useless to everyone or worse, nonsense.
    Having a single point to view all your conversations is a feature of the messaging app indeed, and for some of us a very warmly welcomed one, that could possibly extend to Xbox and other messaging services later.

    I think everyone will be satisfied when they'll release the UWP version, both integration fans and those who wants different apps. And if I weren't proven right they would have missed another great opportunity. Again. That's the real point in all of this, because again, that would mean they had no plans and end game vision for the whole thing and they were just throwing out features randomly, leaving everyone confused. Something they've been doing for years, for god's shake. And that's exactly what we should shout out loud against.
    This is still a matter of people who aren't looking down the road, they're looking squarely at their feet and complaining about the view. No amount evidence about how it looks up the road seems to get them to lift their head.

    Save your energy for productive tasks like playing with the new 14332 build and providing feedback to MS.
    04-27-2016 03:01 PM
  24. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    On a side note, I linked skype and messaging in 10586.218 and I've been monitoring battery usage. i've not seen that difference that used to be there. Same on the new build 10586.242.

    Data is off, wifi off. I only switch data on when needed. I've uninstalled skype app
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    05-01-2016 12:14 AM
  25. Florin_Anghel's Avatar
    Well the point is: THIS IS NOT COMING BACK. As simple as that. You'll be able to read and answer to all messages in the notification center from any messaging app (if they are UWP so...sms, skype, fb messenger soon and hopefully others), that will be your main hub that collects all the messages. If you want to do more (i.e. review the conversation or do more complex actions) you will have to open the app.
    While you can't please everyone this is a very nice compromise to integrate everything in one hub while still keeping the development of each app to their own developers without having duplicate functionality.
    Man, why do you shout? You think you make your point move valid?
    Nonentheless, your arguments doesn't make it true or better, it is just a way of seeing things.
    People who are against the integration usually are also the ones against change.
    Without change you ain't going forward. I suppose some of you are too comfy.. no wonder the platform is doomed.
    05-02-2016 03:23 AM
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