View Poll Results: How has your experience with the insider ring of Windows 10 mobile been

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    4 9.09%
  • Bad but doable

    3 6.82%
  • Not too bad

    6 13.64%
  • It's been fine

    31 70.45%
07-22-2016 08:08 PM
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  1. MDK22's Avatar
    YES, rant rather than DO SOMETHING ... are you providing Feedback to MSFT about your issues?

    You do NOT belong on the Insider Fast ring!
    You do know the Fast Ring functions as beta tester for changes?
    And every device is different as an instance of installed apps (it only takes 1 poorly written app to cludge everything up)

    My experience has been diametrically opposed to yours.
    I've installed Insider preview builds on my Lumia 640 (with minimal apps), saving my daily driver (Lumia 1520) for Production builds.
    Last edited by MDK22; 07-11-2016 at 12:47 PM.
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    07-11-2016 12:32 PM
  2. Polychrome's Avatar
    I hate being "that" person, but Learn2Beta.

    I will say that a couple builds back the phone somehow reset my battery use settings and Edge was draining it like crazy, probably due to an ad on a website tab I left open. Turned background use off for that app and it hasn't been an issue since. (It's not like I want my browser notifying me.)
    07-11-2016 12:54 PM
  3. Jackson Ombati's Avatar
    I can't take it anymore. I am about to leave this ecosystem. I am sending off a tweet to Panos Panay, Bill Gates, Satya Nadella and heck Steve Balmer about how insanely horrid these builds are. There is no excuse for just how bad this is. No software company, let alone the premier software company on the planet, should be release software that is this garbage.

    I don't CARE if these are preview beta builds. We are getting close to a release of Redstone 1 and gosh darnit these builds should becoming more stable.

    I want to jump of this fast ring and head to the slow ring or off insider period.

    Windows 10 or Xbox preview programs do crap like this. New options and or features may have bugs but this crapolla keeps screwing everything up for the entire windows mobile OS. It sucks SO bad.

    The battery life is doing insanely crazy things. It will be 100% full and 10 minutes. YES 10 minutes later it will be down to like 15 - 20% and start rebooting like crazy. Then it will get so hot the battery completely drains and you have to plug it in.

    LOL i literally have to plug in this phone to even get any use out of it. FML

    Microsoft this is embarrassing. And I don't care what jolly naysayers come here and say "get off the fast ring" or "it's beta bro" it doesn't matter. This experience is horrible and Microsoft and the development team working on this should be embarrassed. Fired, or restructured. NOW.

    People are experiencing this and they shouldn't have to. Nothing should ever be released like this EVER. NOTHING. EVER. no matter how alpha or beta this is. my god.

    Please people help Microsoft out by yelling at them for this so they FIX it. don't cuddle them into thinking well der der derrrr it's not that bad. NO it's bad and they need to FIX IT...

    Sorry bro. I have the latest red stone build installed in my low end Lumia 435 and I must say its the best. By the way i am using it as my daily drive. So, your issues could be hardware related.
    07-11-2016 12:56 PM
  4. kristalsoldier's Avatar
    My 950XL seems to be working just fine on the latest fast build. That said, when you chose the Fast Insiders Build, MS makes it clear that you are on an unstable build with all the attendant risks. But then again, it really seems your device may be a problem aka hardware problem.
    07-11-2016 01:29 PM
  5. theefman's Avatar
    Its a preview and if history has shown us anything the OS will get tightened up in the final builds before release. So wait until its released as a final update then start crying.
    wpcautobot likes this.
    07-11-2016 01:40 PM
  6. Kratarth's Avatar
    Even I am facing lot of problems. The worst is app scaling issues. It's Lumia 638, same prob in Lumia 635. It's hard to do stuff...Microsoft are you even taking a look at Lumia 638/635...It's quite disturbing and unsatisfying.
    Chintan Gohel likes this.
    07-11-2016 01:45 PM
  7. earthman007's Avatar
    But it's up to the product manufacturer to decide what the levels of performance acceptability are for their products that are undergoing testing. As they determine what the standards are that are to be attained, which bugs - if any - will be fixed and when the product progresses towards its launch. Obviously they are also able to change their launch dates, review the product that will be launched: potentially altering the specification as well as manage the overall process.

    People like ourselves who are beta testing products are not the people who are calling the shots, in terms of what corporate strategy is, which products are to be launched and - at a finer level - what actually happens operationally, down on the street, to get the products out to market, and achieve corporate financial targets etc.

    Being part of the Insider programme means that we are but interested and involved parties: sure, we can be really wanting MS to get its stuff out there and be phenomenally succesful, or we may just be interested in trying out their new wares, before the general markets have them. We're not the project/product managers who have been managing what it takes to achieve their targets - we don't call the shots, even if we may be vocal and influence policy, in our own ways.

    As you state op, there are options within Insider Preview to choose the type of relase that fits your risk/comfort level. If you've taken the wrong decision, then maybe the programme isn't for you, however well meaning you were, when you signed up. It's recommended that you don't use your main equipment to run the previews on, so that you don't potentially get the levels of inconvenience that that may entail. By just using fallback devices, then we can revert to our primary equipment, should a particular release not fit to our objectives. Or we can suspend our involvement in the Insider programme. We're not left without options, and we shouldn't try to pretend that we aren't aware of the trouble that we could face, if we use Insider.
    07-11-2016 01:45 PM
  8. Muessig's Avatar
    This isn't a thread about Android, let's keep on topic.
    07-11-2016 03:21 PM
  9. Giddora's Avatar
    Sounds like a broken install. I've had a very pleasant trip through the builds on my XL.
    Chintan Gohel likes this.
    07-11-2016 03:44 PM
  10. Jazmac's Avatar
    I'm extremely pleased with the current build on my 1520. Once I replaced my bad battery that is. Before that, it didn't want to have anything to do with a NEW os. Neither did I because I figured it was the OS but turned out to be hardware. But so far, these later builds have not broken too much.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    07-11-2016 08:30 PM
  11. Alain_A's Avatar
    Sounds like a broken install
    More likely that^^^^^^^^,,,Had that one on my wife's I had to backtrack up to 8.1 and redo it again which went smoothly....Happen to me best of us....Lol
    07-11-2016 11:24 PM
  12. Paolo Ferrazza's Avatar
    Opening battery settings to see what is draining your battery could have helped :P

    Hard reset could help.

    Exit fast ring could help.

    Rants won't help.

    (950 on latest build working very smooth here...)
    07-12-2016 02:20 AM
  13. Maurizio Troso's Avatar
    Every build is going faster and faster on my 650.

    Some 3rd party apps are unable to follow improvements, like Whatsapp >.<
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    07-12-2016 02:25 AM
  14. Danobe's Avatar
    I'm on the run-of-the-mill production ring. I still have problems here and there, but at least my phone is not a "project".
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    07-12-2016 05:01 AM
  15. Ryujingt3's Avatar
    Sorry to hear you are having issues but you definitely won't get a flawless experience on the fast ring - none of us will. We all knew this when we signed up (I hope). In saying that though, I only have one minor issue on my 950XL on the fast ring so I suggest you take a look at what apps you have and how much battery you consume them and try removing the ones the take up a lot of battery and see if that helps.

    Also, try a hard reset and see if the battery settles down after that. After the hard reset, do not restore from backup or install any extra apps (remain stock) for 24 hours. See if the battery still dies then, if not, install your apps, one by one, until you find the culprit. As we are all testers here we need strength in numbers so please try to not give up yet.
    07-12-2016 08:39 AM
  16. Mad Cabbie's Avatar
    I wonder, upon returning the unit, he remembered to roll back to production? Walk in there with RS build, and the statement when accepting about warranty voidances, and told to go away ;-) sort of thing someone would try and hence avoid replacement. (tongue in cheek!! Before complaints roll in)

    Latest RS is fab on my 2x950xl and 2x950, along with my elderly 930 and my 640's. I use all as daily drivers in my business. Just an occasional hang when ending a call, but that's it.
    07-12-2016 03:54 PM
  17. wgs84's Avatar
    I actually think Redstone Fast is far more polished than TH2 Production. I have 14385 on two Lumia 640s. A lot of the bugs and issues that I had with 10586 have been solved with Redstone. To name a few:

    1. Swiping to scroll up and down in webpages is jerky in 10586. This is fixed in Redstone.
    2. The Start icon is missing when you press and hold the back button with 10586. This is fixed in Redstone.
    3. Apps don't autoupdate in 10586. This is fixed in Redstone.
    4. Putting the People tile in a folder causes it to show up as a blank square in the folder's live tile. This is fixed in Redstone.
    5. The settings pages for the Start Screen and Lock Screen have to refresh themselves to show the correct settings in 10586. This is fixed in Redstone.

    This is in addition to a more updated Edge experience, photos app, etc. There are still the issues of Living Images and HDR not saving correctly, but it happens much less frequently in Redstone. All-in-all, I like RS a lot more than TH2.
    07-12-2016 04:20 PM
  18. RumoredNow's Avatar
    07-12-2016 06:59 PM
  19. Christian Matthew's Avatar
    I just got a new phone from Microsoft not in any ting yet and experience is awesome. I will be upgrading to see what happens. After Redstone I'm getting off the rings for a while
    07-15-2016 08:54 PM
  20. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    I just got a new phone from Microsoft not in any ting yet and experience is awesome. I will be upgrading to see what happens. After Redstone I'm getting off the rings for a while
    I hope that the new phone will work great and not have any bugs.
    RumoredNow likes this.
    07-16-2016 12:46 AM
  21. TECH ninja's Avatar
    Originally posted by Christian Matthew
    i will take a video from my friends phone and post it on youtube. would you believe me then? i will take a video from my laptop even. why do you think i would take the time to lie about this? i want Microsoft to win and be better and get this darned mobile thing right. I want these things. but these release are TRASH
    Microsoft isn't the only one having problems with updates apple have had they fair share of bugs with IOS even worst than we have had as well such as the date brick

    Android also have problems with updates as well

    Some issues can be fixed by hard resets as well so try that
    07-16-2016 11:09 AM
  22. Christian Matthew's Avatar
    I am jumping back on fast ring now. I love pain lol. I also wanted to add that when I went to the Microsoft store the tech told me they have had a few people come in the past few days with the same issue. It was that 78 88 build. The one I'm installing now is 90.
    07-16-2016 01:43 PM
  23. cjenk114's Avatar
    Yes but MS never seem to address feedback. Issues reported months ago still not even acknowledged. Beta is not alpha. These releases are not even alpha quality.

    If you're not using the fast ring in a production environment then you're not testing the system.

    The problem is that beta shouldn't have so many issues.
    Last edited by RumoredNow; 07-17-2016 at 07:59 PM. Reason: consolidate multiple posts
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    07-17-2016 06:05 PM
  24. cjenk114's Avatar
    Totally agree Christian. I've been a software developer for over 40 years and a Windows proponent for the past 20 years. Software releases from MS have been getting worse and worse. There appears to be no regression testing and even the design philosophy leaves me scratching my head,
    07-17-2016 06:17 PM
  25. MDK22's Avatar
    Totally agree Christian. I've been a software developer for over 40 years and a Windows proponent for the past 20 years. Software releases from MS have been getting worse and worse. There appears to be no regression testing and even the design philosophy leaves me scratching my head,
    OK, as a software dev you gotta know math.
    Take the top 25 apps in the Store & apply them to each version of each device in ALL permutations - a pretty big number.

    Now, let's assume some number (50%) of problems result from apps, poorly written, poorly deployed, not updated. - still a pretty big number.

    As a software dev, you'd prefer to start with a clean slate, which doesn't normally happen - ergo the Hard Reset.
    I just (3 days ago) installed the latest Fast Ring build on my Lumia 1520. Had to Hard Reset, the Photos app was fubar'd, but NOW the phone is trouble free, like a new phone.

    Everyone's experience is different - my experience directly contradicts yours.
    What apps do you have installed?
    What device do you have?

    BTW - I've only been a software dev for 24 years ...
    07-17-2016 08:02 PM
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