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  1. Narathan's Avatar
    Eh. If we cling to the past, stuff's not going to get any better. Personally I think W10M looks far more "serious" compared to WP7-8.1. I don't want big text that takes up tons of screen estate, even though I admit it looked gorgeous. I love the new email, messaging and photo app - especially the agenda and email changes are a VERY welcome change for me. And Groove music is shaping up into something decent compared to that abomination called XBOX Music.

    But look at it like this. If things remained the same as they were on Windows Phone, I'm pretty sure it would have died out eventually. I know it's sad they had to sacrifice so much in order to gain traction, but what else can they do at this point. I still don't want to compare it with android - I'd rather compare it with iOS.

    Also, if you go Android, be sure to pick a Nexus device. Fragmentation is ridicilous, not to mention performance tends to become very sluggish over time with certain brands. Not saying this is the case on every phone.

    But personally, I'll stick with W10M. Whats the point of getting a flagship android phone every six months anyway? the fact that android needs quadcore/hexacore/octacore cpu's with 2-4 gb's of ram and huge batteries to get through a single day and still laggy performance is downright laughable if you ask me. I'm not going to shell out my hard earned money on something like that again. I've made that mistake a few times too many.

    so I'll just see what happens. to be honest, like I said - the UI doesn't bother me that much.
    10-18-2015 12:07 PM
  2. Steve Thackery's Avatar
    Eh. If we cling to the past, stuff's not going to get any better.
    I've heard this argument used a lot, and it's a very poor one!

    When someone expresses a dislike of something new, it's too easy to say "Yaah, you're just an old fart who's stuck in the past and can't cope with change!" It ignores one enormous possibility: that the new thing may genuinely be worse than the old thing.

    Like many of us tech-heads, my instinct is always to embrace change with enthusiasm (and my bank account suffers for it). However, it is quite wrong to assume that all change is for the better. Usually, change is for the better. But sometimes it isn't.

    The smart thing is to know the difference. For example, (we aren't talking phones here) one of the biggest drivers of change is cost reduction. All manufacturers will drive down their costs as low as they can get away with, which sometimes means pushing out products which you or I might find too tacky and junky to enjoy owning. Sometimes the earlier models of a particular technology are stronger, more reliable (or whatever other parameter you are interested in) because they haven't been subjected to the cost reduction process.

    Usually I love upgrading my software, no matter what the device. However, for my purposes, W10M is less desirable to me than WP8.1.

    You might be interested to know that I've also recently deleted the latest W10 Insider Preview from my main workstation and gone back to Windows 7! For my purposes, on a desktop workstation, W7 offers the best experience. However, I also have a Sony hybrid thing, and W10 is just perfect on that, especially the automatic switching between tablet and desktop modes when I flip out the keyboard.

    So, don't assume that because someone complains about something new it automatically means they are resistant to change!
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    10-18-2015 03:38 PM
  3. mariusmuntean's Avatar
    The more I look at screenshots of Windows 10 for mobile the more I wonder why I don't just get an Android device, since the UI is pretty much heading in that direction anyway. Since Microsoft has put more time and energy into making sure their own apps are updated faster and more often on iOS and Android anyway, the only real differentiator between a Windows Phone and everyone else was the camera and UI. Since its inception, the Windows Phone UI was based on spacing and typography. Little-to-no chrome.

    With Windows 10 mobile all I've seen is a major step away from the UI elements that made Windows Phone so great. Look no further than the new email, messaging and photos app. As a longtime WP user this frustrates me. I was willing to constantly be left behind in apps and games because I liked the style of my OS. I'll wait until Windows Mobile 10 comes out to make a final judgement, but I can see myself leaving Windows Phone if they continue to choose not to differentiate themselves with the UI. I suppose the preview time is our platform to let Microsoft know that we don't like the direction they are taking WP with regards to the UI.

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    Don't expect anything to change in the UI anymore. What you see now is what you'll get in the final build. They've said that win10 is feature complete..almost. The way it looks now is how it will remain at least until the next big update, although I do not think anything will change, even then, in respect of the design. WP 8.1 looked much better even though it took away some nice things from 8, but win10 looks like a ruined,shrinked down PC desktop UI with almost nothing in place.
    Kram Sacul and theefman like this.
    10-19-2015 08:52 AM
  4. Leonel Funes's Avatar
    I love the UI for Windows Phone 8.1. With Windows Mobile 10, I see a blend of iOS and Android - in a very good way. It will definitely help win over new users, devs will feel at home, and anyone that doesn't like the design can leave, but it'd be pointless since "they all look the same now". I say keep doing what you're doing, Mircrosoft!
    MikeSo likes this.
    10-19-2015 12:52 PM
  5. MikeSo's Avatar
    Microsoft designed an OS that felt great to use. But nobody wanted it. They gave it a good shot, and now they have to adjust it so that it can be more easily ported from the competitors. Simple as that.

    I like how W10M looks, but WP8.1 was nicer to use in many ways. Oh well, it is what it is. It's still more pleasant to use than stock Android. At least that's something. :)
    10-19-2015 01:00 PM
  6. mihnat's Avatar
    Eh. If we cling to the past, stuff's not going to get any better. Personally I think W10M looks far more "serious" compared to WP7-8.1. I don't want big text that takes up tons of screen estate, even though I admit it looked gorgeous. I love the new email, messaging and photo app - especially the agenda and email changes are a VERY welcome change for me. And Groove music is shaping up into something decent compared to that abomination called XBOX Music.

    But look at it like this. If things remained the same as they were on Windows Phone, I'm pretty sure it would have died out eventually. I know it's sad they had to sacrifice so much in order to gain traction, but what else can they do at this point. I still don't want to compare it with android - I'd rather compare it with iOS.

    Also, if you go Android, be sure to pick a Nexus device. Fragmentation is ridicilous, not to mention performance tends to become very sluggish over time with certain brands. Not saying this is the case on every phone.

    But personally, I'll stick with W10M. Whats the point of getting a flagship android phone every six months anyway? the fact that android needs quadcore/hexacore/octacore cpu's with 2-4 gb's of ram and huge batteries to get through a single day and still laggy performance is downright laughable if you ask me. I'm not going to shell out my hard earned money on something like that again. I've made that mistake a few times too many.

    so I'll just see what happens. to be honest, like I said - the UI doesn't bother me that much.
    Great insight, thanks! A case in point with respect to WP10 UI being serious is the new MS Maps vs HERE Drive/Maps. I kinda too liked having that chimera between John Hodgeman and Justin Long that was 8.1 - business when need be but just with a little style. I do understand the reality with the sudden Android-ness of WP10: no new apps = no new customers = no new apps = no new customers and so on....

    Although a bit hyperbolic, this is an interesting view of WP development:
    Windows 10 Mobile, Microsoft's Last Chance to Be Relevant in the Mobile Market
    mariusmuntean likes this.
    10-19-2015 01:57 PM
  7. nicolas_as's Avatar
    couldn't agree more!
    10-20-2015 07:57 AM
  8. Jeddic's Avatar
    the only good thing about WP is its aesthetics, and those are being compromised.
    If you think the only good thing about WP is aesthetics, then you'll probably be more comfortable on another OS. Most of us like many things about WP in addition to how it looks. Also, as far as looks go, I think that most of the changes in W10 are improvements and further refine the existing standards of the Metro design. But that's really just a personal opinion.

    Bottom line for me is that I like WP based on it's features, how it works, and what I can do with it. If I had to choose between Windows that looked exactly like Android, and Android, I'd still take Windows.
    10-20-2015 10:13 AM
  9. Kram Sacul's Avatar
    If you think the only good thing about WP is aesthetics, then you'll probably be more comfortable on another OS. Most of us like many things about WP in addition to how it looks. Also, as far as looks go, I think that most of the changes in W10 are improvements and further refine the existing standards of the Metro design. But that's really just a personal opinion.
    The problem is that many of the refinements are just plain poorly thought out and a lot of the design standards that made WP unique and attractive were thrown out the window. It's Metro without the style and if you hit it with a shovel. An improvement would be adding the cute little joystick to the keyboard or improved voice dictation. Those are useful and cool. Cropping square profile pictures into circles and shoving a menu in the upper left corner of every app is not. Definitely not.
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    10-20-2015 08:10 PM
  10. mariusmuntean's Avatar
    The problem is that many of the refinements are just plain poorly thought out and a lot of the design standards that made WP unique and attractive were thrown out the window. It's Metro without the style and if you hit it with a shovel. An improvement would be adding the cute little joystick to the keyboard or improved voice dictation. Those are useful and cool. Cropping square profile pictures into circles and shoving a menu in the upper left corner of every app is not. Definitely not.
    ~90% of users I've seen have thrown with MS to the wall because of the People's tile and app redesign into circles. Looks horrible, but as it seems MS is lacking a good design team, I do not think this will change very soon. They should have at least given an option to chose circles vs old style.
    10-29-2015 05:03 AM
  11. colinkiama's Avatar
    Don't expect anything to change in the UI anymore. What you see now is what you'll get in the final build. They've said that win10 is feature complete..almost. The way it looks now is how it will remain at least until the next big update, although I do not think anything will change, even then, in respect of the design. WP 8.1 looked much better even though it took away some nice things from 8, but win10 looks like a ruined,shrinked down PC desktop UI with almost nothing in place.

    The UI has changed a lot now. The hamburger menu actually makes sense now. The ellipsis menu is back. They just need to add back linked inboxes then this app is better than the one on 8.1
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    10-29-2015 07:57 AM
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