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  1. bo_woods's Avatar
    You know, all these comments about MS is waiting for W10 are just plain speculations. Nothing more. The fact is MS is no longer as interested in making new phones like Nokia did. They are more concern with their cloud services and thinking how to absorb more users to use the cloud services from other rival platforms. Hence we are seeing lots of MS apps appearing on iOS and Android. And how many times we see better and more polished identical apps on iOS/Android as compared to the ones we have on WP? Even when we have new W10 flagships, it will just be phones with better CPU and hardware. Don't expect new breakthrough especially from the camera department.
    What you just said being the truth is my greatest fear for Windows phone+ Microsoft devices.... I hope what you just described isn't the truth
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    05-24-2015 09:11 PM
  2. chmun77's Avatar
    What you just said being the truth is my greatest fear for Windows phone+ Microsoft devices.... I hope what you just described isn't the truth
    It is my fear as well. We need really beautiful and something extraordinary phones from MS. But looking at things currently, MS is just to busy polishing their next OS and their cloud services. MS is trying very hard to present a different Windows 10 with new features like Continuum and Edge. Till date, even the leaks of 940 XL are not exciting at all. Simply put, MS is trying to catch up with Android for its hardware.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    05-25-2015 12:39 AM
  3. hotphil's Avatar
    What you just said being the truth is my greatest fear for Windows phone+ Microsoft devices.... I hope what you just described isn't the truth
    Problem is, MS won't say what the truth is. They've got a CEO who bangs on about "cloud first, mobile first" as being the company's new mantra, but what's made it to market thus far under his stewardship doesn't reflect everyone's understanding of that. There's a fair amount of cloud-supported services and apps across other mobile platforms, but no effort on mobile hardware. Seems that the approach being adopted is just to scattergun out countless low-end devices and see if any take off.
    If that's their interpretation of "mobile first" that's fine. But they could do with explaining more about what they actually mean. I think a lot of folk were hoping to see some innovative, high-end hardware included under the "mobile first" mantra. Or at least some reference designs in conjunction with known hardware manufacturers. Or even plans of putting together a team to come up with some reference designs. Heck, anything!
    05-25-2015 01:27 AM
  4. Mike K5's Avatar
    The last decent flagship was released about 1.5 years ago? And we're still to wait another half year? Of course we're going to have complaints regarding the lackluster number of flagship/top-end phones. Having a hardware team work on one half a year ago would've helped tie over those who'd like to stay on WP (or switch to) until the next FS phone comes out.
    So I don't care if you're butthurt about reading these comments, we're more butthurt that there isn't a new flagship out!
    05-25-2015 02:06 AM
  5. Nuno Moz's Avatar
    Show me a Windows 10 phone that can be paired with a wireless display as thin as a type cover complete with retina level display, touch and pen enabled and I'm back to high end phones. We can only dream. Until then my low end 620 paired my Sony RX1r for street photography are perfect companions. They might be replaced only with the 640.
    05-25-2015 03:03 AM
  6. Cthugha's Avatar
    To add, I'm also afraid good ex-Nokia hardware designers will leave MS if they mostly focus on cheap budget devices. I know I would. It's much more interesting to work on top-of-the-line high-end devices with cool new features.
    05-25-2015 05:06 AM
  7. JamesDax's Avatar
    Please continue to cry more children. For all the good it's doing you.
    sweatshopking likes this.
    05-25-2015 06:23 AM
  8. sweatshopking's Avatar
    What did you expect? Satya was AGAINST purchasing Nokia. Buy an android or iPhone.
    05-25-2015 06:27 AM
  9. AndyCalling's Avatar
    I think it is understandable. People want to get the latest tech in to make their new phone as future proof as possible and they want to get a W8 phone before W10 is forced on us. I suspect new phones won't have the option to install W8 on them so the only way to keep the choice of when/if to shift ecosystems to W10 is to buy devices now before it is too late. Personally I'm fine grabbing the 930 but I hear MS make that tough for Americans (though since negligible numbers of Americans use WP that is not a major marketing consideration, I'm sure).
    05-25-2015 07:59 AM
  10. sweatshopking's Avatar
    yeah, i have an icon, and if it dies i'll see about getting another 1520 (the phone i had before the icon) and sticking with 8.1 forever.
    05-25-2015 08:05 AM
  11. TMavC5's Avatar
    Microsoft screw up big time by not having a new flagship phone. Many of their better customers have gone back to the iPhone. They spend hundreds of millions in trying to get new customers but forgot to keep their current customer base in place. Totally wrong headed marketing move. Sure they want customers even the low end type but the loyal high end Windows Phone customers just do not want to be treated like dirty and can move! I think the high end customer is more valuable since they buy more things and have greater influence on others.

    Windows Mobile 10 will not come out till November 2015 or later and if they sign on with Verizon again; Verizon might not release it till February 2016 like they did with the Icon and discontinue in September of the same year 2014!

    Yup, I am one of those person. But I will return once Microsoft get their **** together. I've been WP since WP7 Samsung. Still love the simplicity of the phone and ease of usage. Going to back and play with Android for awhile before next new Flagship arrive. Still love my 1520 and 930, both my wife and I going to dark side for a bit. :)
    05-25-2015 10:47 AM
  12. mrdoubleb's Avatar
    Scenario 1: Microsoft releases the 940 in February 2015, 1 year after the Icon. Then, as it needs to launch a new flagship model with the release of its new flagship OS, it releases the 950 in September 2015. Cue whining: "Whaaaaaat?! How dare they???!!! They just made my brand new 6 month old flagship obsolete! They took my 500 dollars and now I have an outdated phone!!"

    Scenario 2: Microsoft releases the 940 in February 2015, 1 year after the Icon. Come Windows 10 in the fall, it choses not to release a new flagship with it, so it would not **** off the 940 customers. Cue whining: "Come on! You frikkin' morons at MS! You release your brand new OS after 3 years and you don't even give it a proper flagship! You don't even know how to launch a new OS! Who should release a flagship for this milestone event if not you MS?!"

    In the meantime, I am perfectly happy with the 930 I purchased last August (it was only available starting July in Europe). I know it only has a 4 core 2+ GHz processor and a 20mpx OIS camera with integrated wireless charging and a laughable 441ppi screen (as in 35% higher resolution than the iPhone 6), but then again I don't care if the other kids in the kindergarten don't think my e-***** is the biggest.
    05-25-2015 12:24 PM
  13. Mars2003's Avatar
    And the Icon was late as well, it could've been out in Nov-13 along with the 1520. The flagship fiasco hasn't done the platform any favours over the last 7-8 months.
    05-25-2015 04:00 PM
  14. chmun77's Avatar
    Scenario 1: Microsoft releases the 940 in February 2015, 1 year after the Icon. Then, as it needs to launch a new flagship model with the release of its new flagship OS, it releases the 950 in September 2015. Cue whining: "Whaaaaaat?! How dare they???!!! They just made my brand new 6 month old flagship obsolete! They took my 500 dollars and now I have an outdated phone!!"

    Scenario 2: Microsoft releases the 940 in February 2015, 1 year after the Icon. Come Windows 10 in the fall, it choses not to release a new flagship with it, so it would not **** off the 940 customers. Cue whining: "Come on! You frikkin' morons at MS! You release your brand new OS after 3 years and you don't even give it a proper flagship! You don't even know how to launch a new OS! Who should release a flagship for this milestone event if not you MS?!"

    In the meantime, I am perfectly happy with the 930 I purchased last August (it was only available starting July in Europe). I know it only has a 4 core 2+ GHz processor and a 20mpx OIS camera with integrated wireless charging and a laughable 441ppi screen (as in 35% higher resolution than the iPhone 6), but then again I don't care if the other kids in the kindergarten don't think my e-***** is the biggest.
    Or


    Scenario 3: Microsoft releases the 940 in February 2015 (that is capable to leverage features from W10 - USB OTG, Continuum, etc), 1 year after the Icon. Come Windows 10 in the fall, and 940 runs perfectly with Windows 10 for phone. Fans are happy and said "Yay!! I love Microsoft!!!". Then, as it needs to launch a new flagship model with the release of its new flagship OS, it releases the 940 XL in September 2015. Wow!! Another flagship! More choices for consumers, ain't that wonderful?? But I'm fine with 940 because it is still the flagship and enjoying every single feature from Windows 10!! Hurray!!

    Is that too difficult?? No offense, yes indeed your 930 purchased last August seems to be better than iPhone 6. But when W10, everyone will even forget about Windows phone because all news will be covering iPhone 6s and Note 5. Devs will all be hyped up with the new devices and make better apps for iOS and Android. Do you think they will even bother about bridging apps over to Windows 10 anymore?? Microsoft better release really true unique flagships by then because if it doesn't, good luck to the future of Windows phone.
    05-25-2015 09:17 PM
  15. BobLobIaw's Avatar
    Or


    Scenario 3: Microsoft releases the 940 in February 2015 (that is capable to leverage features from W10 - USB OTG, Continuum, etc), 1 year after the Icon. Come Windows 10 in the fall, and 940 runs perfectly with Windows 10 for phone. Fans are happy and said "Yay!! I love Microsoft!!!". Then, as it needs to launch a new flagship model with the release of its new flagship OS, it releases the 940 XL in September 2015. Wow!! Another flagship! More choices for consumers, ain't that wonderful?? But I'm fine with 940 because it is still the flagship and enjoying every single feature from Windows 10!! Hurray!!

    Is that too difficult?? No offense, yes indeed your 930 purchased last August seems to be better than iPhone 6. But when W10, everyone will even forget about Windows phone because all news will be covering iPhone 6s and Note 5. Devs will all be hyped up with the new devices and make better apps for iOS and Android. Do you think they will even bother about bridging apps over to Windows 10 anymore?? Microsoft better release really true unique flagships by then because if it doesn't, good luck to the future of Windows phone.
    Or

    Scenario 4: Microsoft releases a Lumia 940 in February, 2015, from a flagship design it salvaged from the Nokia scrap heap with absolutely no W10 features because it was too early in the pipeline, just to satisfy those few of us who have a Lumia 920 and are still loyal to the brand. The underwhelming flagship gets picked up by AT&T only to get shoved into the back corner with no employee training or incentives. The Lumia 940 garners the worst possible reviews from tech writers who uniformly crow "still no apps, don't buy anything before Windows 10, better yet don't buy anything because Windows Phone is dead!" The Lumia 940 proceeds to sell less than 3/4 the volume of the 1520, and you, me and a few other die-hards are happy for an extra 9-12 months. Is that too difficult? No, but it's not very smart either.
    05-25-2015 11:20 PM
  16. rdifiori's Avatar
    I'm tired of people whining about people whining. I've had many windows devices for years (Siemens sx 56, SMT 5600, blackjack, 900, 920, 8x, 1520). I think I'm finally done with them. Still no app support and new devices are too few and far between. Went to a z30. Great hardware. Great os. Great battery life. So-so camera. Great app selection since it runs all BB10 and most all android apps.
    steve_w_7 likes this.
    05-25-2015 11:47 PM
  17. mrdoubleb's Avatar
    Or


    Scenario 3: Microsoft releases the 940 in February 2015 (that is capable to leverage features from W10 - USB OTG, Continuum, etc), 1 year after the Icon. Come Windows 10 in the fall, and 940 runs perfectly with Windows 10 for phone. Fans are happy and said "Yay!! I love Microsoft!!!". Then, as it needs to launch a new flagship model with the release of its new flagship OS, it releases the 940 XL in September 2015. Wow!! Another flagship! More choices for consumers, ain't that wonderful?? But I'm fine with 940 because it is still the flagship and enjoying every single feature from Windows 10!! Hurray!!

    Is that too difficult?? No offense, yes indeed your 930 purchased last August seems to be better than iPhone 6. But when W10, everyone will even forget about Windows phone because all news will be covering iPhone 6s and Note 5. Devs will all be hyped up with the new devices and make better apps for iOS and Android. Do you think they will even bother about bridging apps over to Windows 10 anymore?? Microsoft better release really true unique flagships by then because if it doesn't, good luck to the future of Windows phone.
    Let me help you with the headlines too: "Microsoft fails to deliver a New flagship to the premier of its new OS, only has a .7 inch larger version of it's 6 month old 940."
    This would be 1520 to Icon/930 complaints all over again.
    05-26-2015 12:42 AM
  18. oviedofreak82's Avatar
    Haters are always gonna hate and babies always gonna cry. This seems to be the common theme amongst the most vocal Windows Phone users; a sense of entitlement. Meanwhile my friends and family who have Windows Phone are happy with their devices.
    05-26-2015 12:55 AM
  19. Great deal's Avatar
    Do you know how long it takes for a mobile phone to hit the shops from an initial idea? Nokia were acquired by MS - Nokia STOPPED investment in new phones as soon as the acquisition was announced, why on earth would they waste their money and at the same time Microsoft had NO control while aquision was taking place.

    After Nokia had been acquired then the integration phase takes place and a new road map based on Microsofts own directions and Nokia's existing state. Windows 10 is the natural window (excuse the pun) of opportunity to present a flagship/s, it always has been. Its enough time for everything to come together into one cohesive aligned strategy that MS takes forward and develops. Microsoft has been busy getting the ground ready for strong roots, the tree and its fruits will come.
    05-26-2015 01:08 AM
  20. mrdoubleb's Avatar
    Do you know how long it takes for a mobile phone to hit the shops from an initial idea? Nokia were acquired by MS - Nokia STOPPED investment in new phones as soon as the acquisition was announced, why on earth would they waste their money and at the same time Microsoft had NO control while aquision was taking place.

    After Nokia had been acquired then the integration phase takes place and a new road map based on Microsofts own directions and Nokia's existing state. Windows 10 is the natural window (excuse the pun) of opportunity to present a flagship/s, it always has been. Its enough time for everything to come together into one cohesive aligned strategy that MS takes forward and develops. Microsoft has been busy getting the ground ready for strong roots, the tree and its fruits will come.
    Great points! With all the cr*p we give MS over the 7-8 different low end phones they introduced over the past few months, one has to realize about half of those were Ashas rebadged. They probably had parts and factory capacity already booked by Nokia too so they did the best they could and release these in different regions.

    I have a feeling only x40 bad on are we really seeing what MS started to develop.

    Back on the topic of the flagship, the 940 is bound to happen in August\September so everyone should relax a bit.
    BobLobIaw likes this.
    05-26-2015 02:40 AM
  21. Harrie-S's Avatar

    Back on the topic of the flagship, the 940 is bound to happen in August\September so everyone should relax a bit.
    Indeed a good suggestion but (I fear some will not relax and) if the 940 is announced they start again because they don't agree with the spec.
    05-26-2015 02:59 AM
  22. hotphil's Avatar
    Back on the topic of the flagship, the 940 is bound to happen in August\September so everyone should relax a bit.
    I think a lot of people would like that. But with no confirmation the device even exists, it might be wise to not get too excited.
    05-26-2015 03:13 AM
  23. houkoholic's Avatar
    What did you expect? Satya was AGAINST purchasing Nokia. Buy an android or iPhone.
    That was before he was made CEO. The board only selected him as CEO because he agreed to go with the plan. He also said now that their aim is MS service everywhere but best on Windows, even if it is not the first release. Plus if he mothballs the Nokia team for several years and let that division tank with no revenue/profit/growth as an excuse to axe it and do more layoffs it would ruin the image and stock price of MS and the stock holders will want his head on a pike. To speculate that Satya isn't doing anything to make the Nokia deal work now is stupid and ignorant.
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    05-26-2015 03:38 AM
  24. Kirstein Gourlay's Avatar
    I love my 640XL and although I is not a flagship it does a pretty damn good job mimicking one. Having a flagship experience on a budget priced phone is a wonderful experience. My phone feels good quality in my hand and the smooth experience I have with it is the best I have had in years.

    A flagship will arrive with Windows 10. If I had my way they would brand it a Surface Phone to denote the higher quality level and price point. It will have continuum and will have the experience Windows OS fans are craving. Give them time. The strategy of flooding the emerging and western markets with low cost but beautiful devices is working. Just be patient.
    Harrie-S likes this.
    05-26-2015 03:55 AM
  25. hiya15's Avatar
    At this point , Many people compare OSs more often , i mean android ( dubbed it lagdroid) then comes ios, people dont seem to like it too although i personally feel "i products" are packed with great performance overall and fail to leave mark in UI only. My point here is that MS needs to work on its OS first and make it so acceptable that consumers dont whine about it when they load it into any flagship device. Hardware can be iterated evey 6 months but unless it is accompanied with functional OS i dont think many people ( still not all of them though ) can be satisfied, and we will be seeing same posts here in this forum only ,which is good for Forum though :)
    05-26-2015 04:27 AM
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