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  1. boxa72's Avatar
    The complaining is GOOD and NECESSARY. I know several loyal WP fans that has switched platform just because the lack of proper updated flagship devices. I'm also due for a new phone now and getting a 930 today is out of the question (the Icon/930 is now 15 months old). One M8 has a crappy camera is also outdated. I'll likely get a Galaxy S6 and wave bye bye to WP. Not because I wanted to but because I was forced. My current 925 is two years old next month.
    So keep complaining until MS listen. They could easily have released a new flagship during the previous half year or so (i.e. a "1030" or a slimmer slightly updated "935") and another one along with Windows 10 (940/1040/1540/...).
    Thats exactly what I did with exactly the same phones you mentioned. I have a 925, 930 and now a Galaxy S6. All because I couldn't wait another 6-12mths for a flagship. Microsoft have taken a punt and I I think they've erred badly. I'm sure there are many thinking the same way especially with ppl renewing contracts and because Microsoft have forced their hand, many people are going to be exposed, in my case for the 1st time, to another ecosystem and might never come back. Once you've played with apps that are feature complete it makes Microsoft's platform look all the more unattractive. I sincerely hope Microsoft succeed with Windows 10 but I think they gambled wrong in deciding not to release a flagship in the interim.

    Sent from my Galaxy S6 using Tapatalk
    Tom Snyder likes this.
    05-20-2015 10:38 PM
  2. boxa72's Avatar
    Sometimes I wonder if people know the difference between a Cyan 930 and Denim 930...
    The hardware is still the same age nonetheless!

    Sent from my Galaxy S6 using Tapatalk
    05-20-2015 10:41 PM
  3. mikepalma's Avatar
    Thats exactly what I did with exactly the same phones you mentioned. I have a 925, 930 and now a Galaxy S6. All because I couldn't wait another 6-12mths for a flagship. Microsoft have taken a punt and I I think they've erred badly. I'm sure there are many thinking the same way especially with ppl renewing contracts and because Microsoft have forced their hand, many people are going to be exposed, in my case for the 1st time, to another ecosystem and might never come back. Once you've played with apps that are feature complete it makes Microsoft's platform look all the more unattractive. I sincerely hope Microsoft succeed with Windows 10 but I think they gambled wrong in deciding not to release a flagship in the interim.

    Sent from my Galaxy S6 using Tapatalk
    I actually agree with you. But I still love my 1520. If It lasts until the next iteration of 1520, I will stay w Windows. I just hope whatever the new flagship phablet is, it lets you use 8.1, not 10 (love Metro).

    Ok, commence throwing tomatoes........now
    05-20-2015 10:46 PM
  4. boxa72's Avatar
    I actually agree with you. But I still love my 1520. If It lasts until the next iteration of 1520, I will stay w Windows. I just hope whatever the new flagship phablet is, it lets you use 8.1, not 10 (love Metro).

    Ok, commence throwing tomatoes........now
    I like Metro too and even though I'm with Android I still think WP UI is much nicer. I used to be the worst Microsoft apologist until I moved to Android and realized how wrong I was to apologize for them! And when u think about the fact that MS were in the mobile game before iOS and Android it makes it even more ridiculous to apologize for them!

    Sent from my Galaxy S6 using Tapatalk
    05-20-2015 11:24 PM
  5. ScrubbyXD's Avatar
    Six pages of nag flogging later your STILL not getting a new flagship until W10.

    And yes please buy a Galaxy S6, either model. Buy two! Repair shops are going to be making money off these for years to come!
    05-21-2015 01:21 AM
  6. Jeddic's Avatar
    I don't think most folks will hold onto their S6's for years. Although they are sharp looking phones, I'd love to have one with W8 on it.

    I also get annoyed by the repeated calls for WP flagships. However, seeing the press that gets generated by new Android, and especially, iPhones, I understand why Windows enthusiasts are itching for a true flagship. Once we get one, it will hopefully give us something to brag on. My BLU Win HD is a good budget phone, but nothing I can brag to iPhone or G3 users about. Also, I'm on T-Mobile and my only options for high-end Windows phones fewer than 2 years old were unlocked phones. That's not the worst thing in the world, but it's not as easy as having something that works with your carrier out-of-the-box.
    Harrie-S likes this.
    05-21-2015 01:31 AM
  7. Wurstsalat's Avatar
    i think you dont get the point on this

    the complaints are not "personal problems", it is already a huge plattform problem and cause of this it is a problem for all WP Users
    - wp gets out of scope for "high class" apps (mainly games)
    - the lumia 930 is buggy, very buggy...there are still misscolored Displays, there is 2g flickering issue, the camera is worse than 830 camera
    - nobody wants to buy an 1 1/2 year old device with a new contract

    Actually there is no full featured wp device offered, the only device was the lumia 1520 and is disconntinued...same with the specialist lumia 1020

    It is right to complain this to let Microsoft know they dont do the same mistake again....but you are right, too. The decision is there, the complaints wont change this at the moment but it is anyway badly needed
    Last edited by Wurstsalat; 05-21-2015 at 02:15 AM.
    05-21-2015 01:47 AM
  8. Raj Poladia's Avatar
    I think microsoft will launch couple of flagships as windows 10 mobile launch, the beautiful os will launch with awesome hardware, and even if they launch flagships with wp8.1 then people will think why to buy such costly handset when if we can get the one with win 10 out of the box within few months, Microsoft will surely launch the flagships they are just focusing on software(mobile) ecosystem(apps) where they are weak currently, and every body knows Lumia hardware are awesome as compared to others in their price range......
    05-21-2015 02:43 AM
  9. FurY2007's Avatar
    People have bought into the one year cycle for a new phone, just because Apple bring out a new phone every year, and expect that to happen across the board of phone manufacturers. I am quite happy with my Lumia 1020 and it does all I need it to do, so whilst I have no expiring contracts (I buy my phones outside of providers) I am also quite content to wait to see what W10 Mobile will bring and then make a decision if I really need a new phone.
    Frankly speaking, I would love for MS to bring us a Surface Phone, I would pick that up without thinking.
    Harrie-S and maj71303 like this.
    05-21-2015 03:59 AM
  10. hotphil's Avatar
    The yearly cycle pre-dates Apple's entry into the phone market. By about 20 years :-)
    theefman and Curtieson like this.
    05-21-2015 05:28 AM
  11. theefman's Avatar
    The yearly cycle pre-dates Apple's entry into the phone market. By about 20 years :-)

    Kind of sad people could even think this was something apple introduced.
    hotphil likes this.
    05-21-2015 05:58 AM
  12. Tausir khan's Avatar
    I am waiting more than 2 years to get a good flagship phones from Microsoft. I am using lumia 1020 from 2013. I want to change my phone. people are using android and iphones at least they can change there phone every year. We are setting here waiting to released the flagship phones. First i heard it will come Q2 now people are saying it will come Q4 later on the fall. Please Microsoft give us the new Flagship phones.
    05-21-2015 07:45 AM
  13. atrociousonpc's Avatar
    We live in an age where everything is, "gimme, gimme and gimme now". People are not and will never be satisfied and want something new all the time. I think Microsoft is doing the smart thing by getting Windows 10 ready before releasing another flagship phone. I have a Lumia 1520 and it is perfect for me. I will not be getting anything else until MS releases a Win10 flag phone. I'm satisfied. Yes, i suppose MS could do a yearly release for their flagship phones like the Galaxy S series phones but i don't think that will help them much. Look at the Galaxy devices, they're the "Call of Duty" of phones. (a new phone every year and every year it's the same thing) MS is smart and are releasing quality devices. MS has done a great job of keeping my Lumia 1520 feeling fresh to me. (win 8.1 upgrade and now win 10 preview)
    05-21-2015 08:38 AM
  14. Ebuka Allison's Avatar
    Kind of sad people could even think this was something apple introduced.
    Aside from the fact that not everyone gets phones on the same day...
    05-21-2015 08:58 AM
  15. Curtieson's Avatar
    We live in an age where everything is, "gimme, gimme and gimme now". People are not and will never be satisfied and want something new all the time. I think Microsoft is doing the smart thing by getting Windows 10 ready before releasing another flagship phone. I have a Lumia 1520 and it is perfect for me. I will not be getting anything else until MS releases a Win10 flag phone. I'm satisfied. Yes, i suppose MS could do a yearly release for their flagship phones like the Galaxy S series phones but i don't think that will help them much. Look at the Galaxy devices, they're the "Call of Duty" of phones. (a new phone every year and every year it's the same thing) MS is smart and are releasing quality devices. MS has done a great job of keeping my Lumia 1520 feeling fresh to me. (win 8.1 upgrade and now win 10 preview)
    You guys that are saying "we don't neeeeeed yearly cycles" are missing one piece. Pretend someone stole your 1520... Go to a store and buy another one. I dare you. You wouldn't be able to FIND one! You have to go buy something used or from a random retailer online/eBay. That is not something that a lot of people are yet comfortable with or have the time to research getting a 'good' deal.

    My sister bought her 1020 from a Microsoft store in 2013 and got the 2 year warranty offered by Microsoft in case she broke the screen (she is tough on phones too). Well, she just broke it, and MS told her for $50 (deposit) they'd give her a brand new 830. Tell me that you'd be happy with trading your 1520 for an 830.............. And that isn't the offer from a carrier, but MS.

    So it would be a completely different story if they weren't releasing yearly and also at least carrying their phones for 10-14 months. But INSTEAD, they are not following the yearly refresh and are still following the "carry for 6 months only" cycle!
    05-21-2015 09:10 AM
  16. tgp's Avatar
    We live in an age where everything is, "gimme, gimme and gimme now".
    ..which is exactly what Microsoft should be capitalizing on. It's what Apple and the Android OEMs use to their benefit. Right or wrong, that's the way we are.

    By the time the first W10 flagship comes out, it will have been almost 2 years since the last WP flagship (2 years is speculation; we don't yet know when the first W10 flagship is arriving). There should have been a flagship in the middle.
    theefman likes this.
    05-21-2015 09:23 AM
  17. Maaz Mansori's Avatar
    Since everyone seems to be weighing in on this, I figured I may as well too. I'm one of those people who generally likes to get the latest and greatest but you need to take all factors into consideration. First, I'm generally happy with my 1520. Sure, it would be nice to have something better, but not if they are planning on incorporating specific hardware that requires Windows 10 to be taken advantage of or even work at all. I would hate to get a new phone now just to have a slightly faster processor or whatever and then 6 months from now have the hassle of trying to sell my phone and pay it off and then get another.

    Secondly, Microsoft controls only around 3% of the smartphone market. Of these, the vast majority are low-end phone users. These users use WP because it meets their requirements in both functionality and price. They don't care so much about the specs of the phone. We high-end users are very few. As many people have pointed out, a lot of high-end users like to upgrade every year. Chances are they are already using Microsoft apps and services and will continue to do so even if they switch to another OS. Then after another year they will look at the Windows phones again and chances are they might miss the live tiles or another aspect and then switch back. If they choose to stay with iPhone or Android, it is a customer lost, at least as far as hardware is concerned, however, there are very few people like that. Rather than to go through the hassle of getting a temporary phone approved from the carriers, Microsoft has chosen to keep up with the low-end phones for people who only care about price and not specs until they are ready with the major upgrade. It's a calculated risk.

    Lastly, once everything is ready, this will give Microsoft an opportunity to show that they have created something that is significantly better in all aspects and give others a compelling reason to switch. Whether this can be accomplished or not remains to be seen but I highly doubt trying to salvage a very small percentage of current users by offering a minimal upgrade and then upgrade those phones to Windows 10 and not be able to take advantage of features like Continuum and Windows Hello, etc. is going to help much.
    Harrie-S, maj71303 and M7H like this.
    05-21-2015 09:30 AM
  18. yed19's Avatar
    I am pretty sure if I had the attitude of the original poster I would not be married. Sometimes people (my wife) just needs to vent. A semi-anonymous message forum is a great place to do so. My wife and I are in the same boat as a lot of people. Its probably mostly from countries like the US where a 2 year contract is basically standard practice and guess what... its been 2 years for a lot of us. We have the ability to get a S6 or a iPhone or a new LG G4... But we are not. Meanwhile my HTC 8X is not getting support from Verizon, I did upgrade it to 8.1 Update 2, its not upgradable to W10 yet (or will it ever be). I have been looking for a cheap mid-range to get me over the next few months but am too frugal to just bite the bullet and do it since the new flagships could be announced any day now with availability later this summer (or early fall). Its a tough time to be a Windows Phone flagship fan. It will get better though. Venting should be expected though as well. Its a normal therapeutic process. Just ask my wife...
    05-21-2015 10:14 AM
  19. kklemn's Avatar
    well it's clear.. simple demand/supply fails with windows. People should have a chance to buy a new device with great stuff insice (flagship) at any given time. if it's been over a year than it's a disaster. it's simply what all the companies that run healthy do!
    what MS is doing is not providing us with hardware, therefore making us switch to other platform. YES, people get bored with their device and they want something new. to offer something new ALL THE TIME is somethig they should aim for... instead they release a low end mobile phone every 14 days..

    and to be frank, people who buy really cheap phones don't care that much about how long the phone has been out. they care about basic things (camera, flash, SD slot etc).

    so what i think they should do is release a new flagship every year, after a flagship release a new XL device a month or three later, and after another couple of months release a new killer camera phone... that way we get a new phone that's best at something quite often (all year long). keep us interested for god's sake!


    tl;dr
    company as massive as MS should be more agile. release flagships or phones with at least one feature that's cutting-edge more often, all year long. make it a routine.
    luminos_1 likes this.
    05-21-2015 10:39 AM
  20. leehab's Avatar
    People have to complaint to let companies know we are Not satisfied . They need us to survive .

    Apple, Samsung and Google do not wait for next OS to upgrade their phones . This company bought Nokia and destroyed it . But that is MSFT . Has been in limbo for many years . People demand and are entitled to use the latest technology . Nokia was producing the best phone in the industry and was moving to Androids because this company was not letting them have the freedom to use the OS in the best possible way .

    This company has produced some of the cheapest phones ever since it bought Nokia because this company does not have a grip on leadership and innovations .

    So if you want to live in the past , go ahead , move to the past and take your pissed off feelings with you
    05-21-2015 10:46 AM
  21. Chris Stevens1's Avatar
    From a USA perspective, "flagship every year" means a new flagship on each of the major carriers. I do not think that is happening. The HTC One M8 maybe qualifies. I have no problem with the port from an android phone but it was already old technology.

    I agree that it does not make sense for MS to release a flagship until W10M. If an 8.1 Flagship was released, buyers would be at risk that it would not be fully W10M capable (with all features) and potentially have to wait months for carrier update from 8.1 to W10M. Consider these scenarios:
    "I just bought this ___ phone and now that W10M is out it won't do .... (Various W10M features)
    or "W10M has been out for 6 months and the Flagship Phone I bought in May STILL HAS NOT BEEN UPDATED!!!
    What is MS DOING??? (Probably begging your carrier to evaluate and release the update)

    MS should have been much more transparent about all of this.
    It took months for them to say a new flagship would be tied to W10M.
    It took months for them to say that there would be a W10M, not just one W10 on all device sizes.
    It took months for them to say that W10M would be released separately and later than W10.
    All of this was speculated about for months.

    The "new" MS missed the opportunity to any of this.
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    05-21-2015 12:01 PM
  22. Yllemanden's Avatar
    And what would they even gain from releasing a flagship phone at this point ?
    MS has known for a long time, that all their energy and money should go into Win 10, because they were only doing catch up with WP 8.1 and such. They are in big need for stepping up and not just catching up. And this is indeed what they are trying to do with Win 10. Will it succeed ? That we will know in some months.
    But that also means, that IF they were to release a flagship phone now, or some months before, it would gain almost nothing compared to a 930 as an example. Pretty much no new features, performance is good on 930, so that would not be much different on a better spec phone. So again: It would be released, but noone will notice, because almost nothing has changed compared to the 930 or similar phones. So basically, it would just be a moot phone. It would change absolutely nothing. It would never be an out of the ballpark hit phone, never. It needs Win 10 in order to do that.

    They need the Apple factor for this. They can't just bring mediocre phones to the table. They NEED to bring the big guns, and that cannot be done with WP 8 at this point. People need to be amazed and think: "That phone I definitely need" instead of: "Oh, just another plain Windows Phone"...
    Last edited by Yllemanden; 05-21-2015 at 05:17 PM.
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    05-21-2015 12:01 PM
  23. Nebel's Avatar
    You people can say what you want and you're entitled to your own opinion(s). So am I. And mine is, **** this wait. I gave a big time try with 1520 which is an ok phone. But I'm swapping back to Android as soon as Note 5 is released. Might get G4 or S6 Edge before that. Unless Sony comes with some miracle. But Windows is incomplete and Microsoft doesn't even seem to want it to be competitive.
    05-21-2015 12:28 PM
  24. chasvs's Avatar
    Boy, You're experience is almost exactly the same as mine! I started with an HTC Trophy on Win7 and went through a NL 822, NL 928 and NL Icon then bolted for a Droid Turbo earlier this year! Great device, but I hated Android.... Came back to an Icon and ended up getting 2 so I had one I could use to experiment with Win10. Most recent Build, and first for the Icon sucks! So not ready for prime time, or even anything approaching useable. So both my Icons are back to Win8.1 and waiting for a stable and relatively useable Win10 release! Expect to see some awesome Win10 devices for the Holidays this year. If not, then I'm not sure what I'll do, but I may just lose patience once and for all with MSFT! Let's hope it doesn't come to that!
    05-21-2015 12:31 PM
  25. NOLATechy's Avatar
    This is EXACTLY why Microsoft needs to make the new Windows 10 phones available on ALL carriers domestic and international, just like the iPhone! Microsoft cannot afford to have Windows 10 start out on only one carrier who won't support it (big red).
    Curtieson likes this.
    05-21-2015 02:31 PM
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