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  1. ScubaDog's Avatar
    Yes, yes, yes, I get the Microsoft has chosen to wait on a flagship until their PIECE OF CRAP WINDOWS 10 comes out. Yet they have no problem pumping lame device after lame device with Windows 8.1. I have a Lumia 1020 that I still consider to be the LAST real flagship. I am testing the disgusting Windows 10 on a throw-away Lumia 635--so I have a valid position from which to SAY how ugly and stupid Windows 10 is--and I have no problem complaining that Microsoft refuses to put out a new flagship with Windows 8.1. At this point I believe my 1020 will be my last smartphone. There is no hardware that will make Windows 10 acceptable as far as I'm concerned.
    Ray Adams likes this.
    05-21-2015 02:31 PM
  2. Johnny Tremaine's Avatar
    I'm seriously getting pissed off at people who continue to **** and moan about there not being a new flagship out right now.

    Yet these *BEEP*ers keep complaining like little children stomping their foot, making a face, and screaming to get their way.
    Pot, meet Kettle.
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    05-21-2015 03:10 PM
  3. colinkiama's Avatar
    Yes, yes, yes, I get the Microsoft has chosen to wait on a flagship until their PIECE OF CRAP WINDOWS 10 comes out. Yet they have no problem pumping lame device after lame device with Windows 8.1. I have a Lumia 1020 that I still consider to be the LAST real flagship. I am testing the disgusting Windows 10 on a throw-away Lumia 635--so I have a valid position from which to SAY how ugly and stupid Windows 10 is--and I have no problem complaining that Microsoft refuses to put out a new flagship with Windows 8.1. At this point I believe my 1020 will be my last smartphone. There is no hardware that will make Windows 10 acceptable as far as I'm concerned.
    It's not even close to finished. Also what is the point of releasing a new flagship now if there wont be any new features?
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    05-21-2015 03:11 PM
  4. donkiluminate's Avatar
    It's not even close to finished. Also what is the point of releasing a new flagship now if there wont be any new features?

    Mind share my man, mind share. I'm not saying whether it's right or wrong but new hardware plays a factor in people's purchases. My anecdotal evidence. I have a buddy who was ready to upgrade his phone and really wanted to go to Windows phone but he took a look at the hardware available and decided to get an S6 instead because in his mind Windows phone had old hardware or middling hardware and he wanted the latest and greatest hardware..
    Tom Snyder likes this.
    05-21-2015 03:28 PM
  5. chuckdaly's Avatar
    Lets be real. Excluding Apple, all smartphone manufacturers get their parts from the same small batch of vendors. I'm failing to see what special parts will be included in this fall's new flagship, that couldn't have been put into one released at the end of the year 2014. Worst case, the 2014 flagship would be running something akin to a Snapdragon 805, instead of an 810 this year. If Microsoft had released a 5" smartphone using the same imaging chip, lens, and flash as the Lumia 1020, but with modern SoC and more ram, virtually all current 1020 users would have bought it. Can I get an Amen????
    Silence#WP likes this.
    05-21-2015 03:32 PM
  6. Erika Y's Avatar
    And now you're whining about no flagships complainers(and you're more annoying too)
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    05-21-2015 03:51 PM
  7. theefman's Avatar
    Also what is the point of releasing a new flagship now if there wont be any new features?
    Yet they happily released the Surface 3 with Windows 8 without the hardware to support the biometric features they themselves tout in Windows 10, and who know what other features it wont support. However none of that is mentioned in the ads they are now showing, just that it will get a free update to W10. What makes the phone so different?

    Release an interim flagship, and in this case there really are no magical phone parts that they cant add now that have to wait, and upgrade it later while announcing another flagship. Which then gives them 2x the chances to succeed instead of putting all their eggs in one flagship basket. In the meantime the flagship WP is in the conversation, can be advertised and bring awareness to the platform. Seems like a workable strategy compared to releasing low end dross every chance they get, which has obviously not been a winning strategy.
    05-21-2015 04:08 PM
  8. Jas00555's Avatar
    Yet they happily released the Surface 3 with Windows 8 without the hardware to support the biometric features they themselves tout in Windows 10, and who know what other features it wont support. However none of that is mentioned in the ads they are now showing, just that it will get a free update to W10. What makes the phone so different?

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    Surface 3 isn't a flagship though. The Surface PRO 3 is though, and the Surface Pro 4 will be too. The Surface 3 is basically akin to a Lumia 830: Premium build quality, but the specs are nothing amazing.
    mandong likes this.
    05-21-2015 04:18 PM
  9. MikeLip's Avatar
    Let's not talk about the Verizon flagship - the Icon - that got abandoned for ANY updates. The best freaking Windows phone ever to hit the market - one of the best phones, period - and it sat. The only way to get them was the half-baked WIndows Preview program. WP has the potential to be the best OS out there and from what Ive seen 8.1 is excellent. I'm sure 10 will be better. Good luck selling it though. That ship sailed long ago.
    05-21-2015 04:54 PM
  10. Jas00555's Avatar
    Let's not talk about the Verizon flagship - the Icon - that got abandoned for ANY updates. The best freaking Windows phone ever to hit the market - one of the best phones, period - and it sat. The only way to get them was the half-baked WIndows Preview program. WP has the potential to be the best OS out there and from what Ive seen 8.1 is excellent. I'm sure 10 will be better. Good luck selling it though. That ship sailed long ago.
    The Lumia Icon already got Denim without having to go through the preview program. All Verizon did was skip Cyan.
    05-21-2015 06:55 PM
  11. kklemn's Avatar
    they should at least give us a hint of what's to come... something to be happy about... i keep expecting another lumia 930 to come out (half a year after icon, beaten by all competitors already by the time it's released at a quite big price)
    05-21-2015 07:50 PM
  12. tgp's Avatar
    they should at least give us a hint of what's to come... something to be happy about...
    They did, a year ago. We were anxiously awaiting McLaren. How happy did the way that turned out make us?
    mary beth hale likes this.
    05-21-2015 08:21 PM
  13. Adam Frix's Avatar
    It doesn't matter the reason why Microsoft hasn't released a flagship phone. The truth is, they missed out by sitting on the sidelines while the competition stayed the course with their release schedules.

    12 months is an eternity in the lifecycle of consumer electronics. If you don't refresh what you have to offer, you're going to lose a lot of customers or **** off those who are willing to wait around and hope. For me, personally, I decided to check out the competition while I waited, and guess what? I like what i've found and I've decided I'm not going back to Windows Phone. The best thing about it is I'm not pissed off anymore.
    You've just described me to a T.

    I've had my Lumia 635 for not quite a year now. It's a perfectly fine phone, and really does everything I *need* to do on a daily basis. But: I have (a) the cash, and (b) the itch for a real flagship phone. The Nexus 6 is calling my name. It's getting harder to resist every day.
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    05-21-2015 09:02 PM
  14. mary beth hale's Avatar
    They did, a year ago. We were anxiously awaiting McLaren. How happy did the way that turned out make us?
    Truth. Anger was rampant.
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    05-21-2015 09:03 PM
  15. Adam Frix's Avatar
    The frustration with a lack of a new flagship is understandable. But I would hope any adult that understands why there is not a new release yet would be reasonable and accept good sense. Not LIKE it, but accept it and not complain incessantly.
    I understand it. I don't like it, but I don't complain about it. Instead, I just change my situation.

    And THAT'S what MS needs to understand. It's useless to complain, so one just changes one's situation.

    That all being said, I would be happier about waiting if I knew there was something waiting for. Right now, there isn't as far as anyone knows. All we hear are vague empty words.
    Guytronic likes this.
    05-21-2015 09:05 PM
  16. maverick786us's Avatar
    I understand it. I don't like it, but I don't complain about it. Instead, I just change my situation.

    And THAT'S what MS needs to understand. It's useless to complain, so one just changes one's situation.

    That all being said, I would be happier about waiting if I knew there was something waiting for. Right now, there isn't as far as anyone knows. All we hear are vague empty words.
    If MS shows that kind of ignorance for its flagship devices, they will loose a huge customer base. For instance my dad's Lumia 1320 started showing up age, he was looking for immediate replacement. 1520 was out of stock everywhere (MS shouldn't have discontinued 1520, until a new flagship phablet doesn't arrive), with no news of any MS Flagship phablat, he purchased an HTC One M9+, a huge lost of MS customer base

    If next generation iPhone delivers the camera performance, that is rumored and if I see no flagship device with a better camera, then MS will end up loosing another customer
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    05-22-2015 12:46 AM
  17. Chris Stevens1's Avatar
    I agree that "Flagships are engineered to have a longer lifecycle than other devices".
    That means that a phone hardware should last about 3 or 4 years, not 1 or 2.
    That does not mean that it is a good idea to purchase a "new" phone 2 or 3 years after release.

    In the USA, with carrier exclusives, the lag between flagships is longer because not all carriers get a version of each phone.
    05-22-2015 01:41 AM
  18. ScrubbyXD's Avatar
    You've just described me to a T.

    I've had my Lumia 635 for not quite a year now. It's a perfectly fine phone, and really does everything I *need* to do on a daily basis. But: I have (a) the cash, and (b) the itch for a real flagship phone. The Nexus 6 is calling my name. It's getting harder to resist every day.
    This may help you resist. I personally know five people who bought a nexus 6. Of those, zero still have them. However if you do not mind recharging the phone in the middle of the day due to the terrible battery life, or rebooting once or more a day due to memory leaks in the OS, the Nexus 6 may be for you.
    05-22-2015 02:49 AM
  19. Sam_Cook's Avatar
    Sorry OP, but another "no flagship" complaint is coming your way - This is a bit of a rant in terms of not only hardware, but software issues as well, so be advised...

    I've been on the WP platform since 2011 when I bought an LG Quantum (was a great phone, fwiw) with WP7 on it. Loved it, thought it was a great upgrade from the Nokia E71 I'd been using prior to that. From there, moved to a Lumia 900, and from there a Lumia 925.

    However I've decided that if we don't get a new WP flagship by years end, I'm jumping ship to an Android device. While I love the Windows OS, I've made concessions in my user experience to use it. The #1 being apps. I've either had to forgo any recent apps that have come out, be it gaming or productivity because they weren't released for WP - but I did because to me the OS was worth it. I had to lose not one, but two of the (VERY few available) mobile banking apps for the banks I hold accounts with - Bank of America, and Chase. Part of the reason I kept accounts with these banks was the availability of mobile apps for WP they (previously) offered. So now I'm left using Bing searches to locate even a simple ATM, which would be fine except I've had multiple instances of getting search results/directions to closed locations - some having been closed for YEARS.

    I also use Google services, and have obviously had to make huge concessions in using those as well, seeing as even a Youtube app doesn't exist (I know of third party apps, ie Metrotube, but it has its share of issues). Was happy using Gooroovster, until that quit working for me too.

    Don't even get me started with Amazon services.

    I've had my L925 for quite some time, and recently cracked my screen. In search of new WP devices, I landed on this site. I saw the L640, and read about it only to see that Microsoft can't even figure out when the hell they want to release the device! Something as simple as a budget phone, and they've already dropped the ball on it! I completely understand that lining up carrier dates may be tricky, but there's no excuse for not having a date when you have Microsoft stores that can sell YOUR devices without carrier intervention! One merit I'll give the other major manufacturers is that they do tend to provide transparency with respect to availability and release. So instead of being happy that something is making its way down the pipeline, I'm left frustrated and wondering why I keep hanging on. I know that no one platform is without flaws, but something's gotta give. I believe it when I see others mentioning how they've held out but eventually moved on.

    So, for me personally, I'm giving it 6 months for a flagship before I move on as well. I've been and still am a big Microsoft fan (even still own a Zune HD), but I'm done with the sub-par offerings they continue to provide for WP users.
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    05-22-2015 05:14 AM
  20. hotphil's Avatar
    However I've decided that if we don't get a new WP flagship by years end, I'm jumping ship to an Android device.
    You're happy to put up with that for another 7 months?
    Why wait, just order an Android and be done with it.
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    05-22-2015 06:12 AM
  21. Miti 1982's Avatar
    Well, I think brainwashing and consumerism has really gotten to the highest point ever and it is probably still climbing...

    Remember the time when you had one device working well and you had it for more than 5 years? Ask your parents and grandparents how often did they change their phones, cars, washing machines, TVs, consoles...

    People used to change things because they broke or because something really better came out... now-days people are used to having something new each year. Specially in countries where devices a subsidized by operators and people can get a "flagship" phone for $100. Without caring to think that they actually lease the device and the operator has included that monthly fee in the services invoice. So in the end it is actually cheaper to pay for the device in full and get an cheaper plan that has pretty much the same attributes.

    I guess that at some point people will realize that even a phone from 15 years ago does the same job a current flagship does. For all else there are tablets and actual computers.
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    05-22-2015 08:31 AM
  22. mebby's Avatar
    I have the 1520 - which I still like a lot. But I will soon be able to get a new phone and I want a better, faster, flagship phone. By the end of the year. If not then...
    05-22-2015 09:38 AM
  23. mebby's Avatar
    I guess that at some point people will realize that even a phone from 15 years ago does the same job a current flagship does. For all else there are tablets and actual computers.
    Well my phones from 15 years ago were a piece of crap (poor sound quality), so don't quite agree with you but I get your point. I want a new phone to take advantage of the Win10 features and get a phone that is slightly smaller than my 1520. So really I want a computing device not a phone - that is smaller than a tablet.
    05-22-2015 09:42 AM
  24. salazka's Avatar
    It doesn't matter the reason why Microsoft hasn't released a flagship phone
    Actually, in business it matters very much. And every time someone brings up one idea for production, this is exactly the question they are asked.

    In order to spend a lot of money for the production of one, there has to be an obvious reason why people will purchase one, and there has to be a solid history of sales. As of today, the sales of WP flagships are lagging far behind the sales of low and even mid range phones. 920, 930, 1020, are not even 3% of total WP sales. And that is not very encouraging for a company to bring out, and spend millions marketing that one flagship which is simply not going to sell.

    Waiting to release one along with the brand new OS, Windows 10, is by far the smartest choice.
    ScrubbyXD likes this.
    05-22-2015 09:46 AM
  25. jbestman's Avatar
    Marketshare is in the lower end phones. Profits are in the flagship phones. Why is this so hard for people to understand? And why are you going on about this like the two are mutually exclusive? You do know you can have both, right?
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    05-22-2015 10:04 AM
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