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  1. hotphil's Avatar
    Wont matter if they are Atom or even Core based, anything under 8" gets the mobile SKU with no desktop so atom chips won't have any advantage there. And seeing as any handset will be based on current Qualcomm chip designs there are no hardware features they can't add to a phone now and activate with an upgrade later (unless they are going to dbut a completely new innovation which is unlikely). 4K recording, anyone?
    I thought Joe b had made it clear Continuum needs new chips?
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    05-23-2015 01:18 AM
  2. ScubaDog's Avatar
    SERIOUSLY? What, you don't think they could release a device that has more features even though it's running WP8.1? They did it with LESSER devices. They could still do it. They could dramatically improve the camera (giving me a 20mp camera when I'm still enjoying a 41mp one that STILL takes better pictures than anything is lame, as far as I'm concerned). And they could put out a REAL flagship and say "you'll be able to enjoy the following new capabilities running 8.1.x, but when W10 comes out there are some other features on the device that you'll be able to take advantage of"....and then leave it to the USER to decide if they want to continue using WP8.1.x or DOWNGRADE to crappy W10 just to access additional hardware-supported features.
    05-23-2015 02:05 AM
  3. theefman's Avatar
    I thought Joe b had made it clear Continuum needs new chips?

    I would think the snapdragon 810 would suffice, highly unlikely Microsoft will be able to release new hardware based on newer chips like the 815 and 820 which are rumored for later this year: they are still releasing phones based on the SD400 while others have moved to the 410, even small OEM's like Blu. He did state new HARDWARE, would be required, so probably not restricted to new CPUs.
    05-23-2015 05:27 AM
  4. hotphil's Avatar
    I would think the snapdragon 810 would suffice, highly unlikely Microsoft will be able to release new hardware based on newer chips like the 815 and 820 which are rumored for later this year: they are still releasing phones based on the SD400 while others have moved to the 410, even small OEM's like Blu. He did state new HARDWARE, would be required, so probably not restricted to new CPUs.
    It'll suffice for Windows 10 Phone, but not to enable Continuum on it.
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    05-23-2015 05:41 AM
  5. theefman's Avatar
    It'll suffice for Windows 10 Phone, but not to enable Continuum on it.


    Well there is no sign of newer Qualcomm chips so far, in fact its looking like they are slated just for sampling by the end of the hear http://www.electronista.com/articles...th.technology/ http://www.phonearena.com/news/Snapd...t-core_id66686 so I find it hard to believe Microsoft will be releasing devices based on anything newer then what's available now.
    05-23-2015 05:53 AM
  6. hotphil's Avatar
    so I find it hard to believe Microsoft will be releasing devices based on anything newer then what's available now.
    Bingo. And yet people still cling to the idea of a "summer" release.
    05-23-2015 06:04 AM
  7. Harrie-S's Avatar
    SERIOUSLY? What, you don't think they could release a device that has more features even though it's running WP8.1? They did it with LESSER devices. They could still do it. They could dramatically improve the camera (giving me a 20mp camera when I'm still enjoying a 41mp one that STILL takes better pictures than anything is lame, as far as I'm concerned). And they could put out a REAL flagship and say "you'll be able to enjoy the following new capabilities running 8.1.x, but when W10 comes out there are some other features on the device that you'll be able to take advantage of"....and then leave it to the USER to decide if they want to continue using WP8.1.x or DOWNGRADE to crappy W10 just to access additional hardware-supported features.
    Maybe they can but they don't do it is that so difficult to grasp?

    And you obvious do not like it but as long as you not leading or owning Microsoft ranting about this will also not change Microsoft decision.
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    05-23-2015 07:25 AM
  8. Harry Wild's Avatar
    I believe that Verizon demanded an exclusive for the Icon. This meant that no other US carriers could get the 930. Microsoft caved to Verizon's demands, only to see Verizon discontinue selling the Icon after only around 6 months.

    Sent from my Moto X using Tapatalk
    That is only half of it! Verizon was suppose to sell it November 2013 but decide to hold the release till February 2014 and discontinued it in September 2014!

    Basically the U.S. Market has been without a flagship WP that is available to more then one carrier since 2012!
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    05-23-2015 12:46 PM
  9. Harry Wild's Avatar
    I would think the snapdragon 810 would suffice, highly unlikely Microsoft will be able to release new hardware based on newer chips like the 815 and 820 which are rumored for later this year: they are still releasing phones based on the SD400 while others have moved to the 410, even small OEM's like Blu. He did state new HARDWARE, would be required, so probably not restricted to new CPUs.
    610 and I think the the 615 is going be release next month! 410 release back in February and 415 in May.

    Not sure if 810 still has heating issues?
    05-23-2015 12:51 PM
  10. maj71303's Avatar
    SERIOUSLY? What, you don't think they could release a device that has more features even though it's running WP8.1? They did it with LESSER devices. They could still do it. They could dramatically improve the camera (giving me a 20mp camera when I'm still enjoying a 41mp one that STILL takes better pictures than anything is lame, as far as I'm concerned). And they could put out a REAL flagship and say "you'll be able to enjoy the following new capabilities running 8.1.x, but when W10 comes out there are some other features on the device that you'll be able to take advantage of"....and then leave it to the USER to decide if they want to continue using WP8.1.x or DOWNGRADE to crappy W10 just to access additional hardware-supported features.
    Nope as they stated plain as day that the hardware they needed was not ready at all. But I guess they could throw something out just to appease the people that need something shiny and new. Then watch them whine when the real flagship comes out and the rushed out for mindshare device can't do half the things the real fall flagship can do.
    Last edited by maj71303; 05-23-2015 at 03:52 PM.
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    05-23-2015 02:08 PM
  11. maj71303's Avatar
    I would think the snapdragon 810 would suffice, highly unlikely Microsoft will be able to release new hardware based on newer chips like the 815 and 820 which are rumored for later this year: they are still releasing phones based on the SD400 while others have moved to the 410, even small OEM's like Blu. He did state new HARDWARE, would be required, so probably not restricted to new CPUs.
    IMO the 810 in all it's fail won't be what they use. I may be wrong but IMO it will be an atom chip from intel to go with the other new hardware they want to use.
    05-23-2015 02:11 PM
  12. Tsepz_GP's Avatar
    Was wondering why we hadn't seen any flagship since the rather average 930, this thread explains a lot.

    Friend of mine got a 1520 then got bored and got the Note 4 just after I got my Note 4, he has pretty much written off WP. I was close to going WP late last year, but when a 1520 successor did not arrive I simply gave up.

    Hope the W10 Phones are more interesting than the WP8.1 devices, the 1520 seemed to be the only truly incredible device.
    05-23-2015 05:16 PM
  13. richwolf's Avatar
    I'm happy with my L1020 so I don't mind waiting a few more months for new OS and hardware. My 2 yr. contract was over last November so I'm overdue. I'd rather get it right than get it fast.
    05-23-2015 05:21 PM
  14. peachy001's Avatar
    IMO the 810 in all it's fail won't be what they use. I may be wrong but IMO it will be an atom chip from intel to go with the other new hardware they want to use.
    They have confirmed that an 810 is going in to a device coming with the W10 launch.
    05-23-2015 05:23 PM
  15. hotphil's Avatar
    I'm happy with my L1020 so I don't mind waiting a few more months for new OS and hardware.
    A few? It'll be longer than that.
    05-23-2015 05:41 PM
  16. MatchAttax08's Avatar
    The thing is that Microsoft keeps releasing low-end phones. There's no choice anymore.
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    05-23-2015 06:05 PM
  17. todd7900's Avatar
    A couple of observations about the "flagship" issue.
    1st, everyone forgets the loss of McLaren. While we can lament the lack of a backup plan, personally I am glad they nixed a flawed device instead of pushing it out and try and justify or fix something that was broken.
    2nd, a seeming trend by the US carriers is the pull back from subsidizing phones. As the subsidizing falls away and the US consumer discovers the cost of a Flagship (iPhone 6, Galaxy S6, M9, etc.) is north of $600, I really believe (and I expect Microsoft does too) a not un-sizable portion of the market is going to be looking for cheaper alternatives. This is exactly where MS has their strengths, the 830, 735, 640 all have excellent capabilities and price points that could be much more palatable to non-subsidized consumers. While there are pretty good Android devices in this range the only alternative in the iOS world is to stay with the 5 and people have proven they want larger screen sizes.
    05-23-2015 06:37 PM
  18. Harry Wild's Avatar
    A couple of observations about the "flagship" issue.
    1st, everyone forgets the loss of McLaren. While we can lament the lack of a backup plan, personally I am glad they nixed a flawed device instead of pushing it out and try and justify or fix something that was broken.
    2nd, a seeming trend by the US carriers is the pull back from subsidizing phones. As the subsidizing falls away and the US consumer discovers the cost of a Flagship (iPhone 6, Galaxy S6, M9, etc.) is north of $600, I really believe (and I expect Microsoft does too) a not un-sizable portion of the market is going to be looking for cheaper alternatives. This is exactly where MS has their strengths, the 830, 735, 640 all have excellent capabilities and price points that could be much more palatable to non-subsidized consumers. While there are pretty good Android devices in this range the only alternative in the iOS world is to stay with the 5 and people have proven they want larger screen sizes.
    It may true of the Android smartphone buyers but definitely not for Apple buyers that pay a premium for all Apple products including iPhone.

    More then one retail carrier sales associate has label WP, the poor person phone!
    05-23-2015 08:30 PM
  19. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    It may true of the Android smartphone buyers but definitely not for Apple buyers that pay a premium for all Apple products including iPhone.
    I live in a working class neighborhood. The majority of Android devices I see when I'm out in my neighborhood are Samsung Galaxy or Samsung Note, not cheap Androids.
    05-23-2015 11:35 PM
  20. peachy001's Avatar
    Noticed the Apple 5c for 15.50 pm yesterday. Which is also the price point that I see the 735, 830 and 640. So I reckon that I will soon be seeing more of them around. I may be alone in this, but in addition to a couple of flagships, I am also hoping that MS start pushing some mid range stuff. Something that utilises more than a Snapdragon 400. The next gen 415 and 615 Snapdragons need to get in there. Perhaps they will trickle out in the Spring. Damn, I wish MS had the option to stick in the 815 and 820 Snapdragons in to this year's flagships. Sadly, they arrive too late.
    05-24-2015 01:25 AM
  21. hiya15's Avatar
    MS is preparing big comeback with Win 10 so its logical to wait for flagship loaded with latest OS than to release flagship without the new "big thing". I guess after they are done with furnishing OS they ,too, will start following trend of releasing 1/2 flagship every year. IMO flagships should not come out in abundance.
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    05-24-2015 05:25 AM
  22. Robholden's Avatar
    what? they are not being slack... they have publicly stated that they will not be releasing a flagship until windows 10... I would rather they do that so they release something good, rather than just a rushed POS like you see from all the other flagships
    05-24-2015 02:34 PM
  23. todd7900's Avatar
    That is kinda my point, people may be able/willing to pay $200 and a 2year contract for a Galaxy or Note, but if they have to pay over $600 and/or pass a credit check for the installment plan the option may not be there.
    05-24-2015 03:24 PM
  24. chmun77's Avatar
    OP should understand that, it is about keeping things in momentum. Look. Do you see Android OEMs waiting for Lollipop before their release newer flagships?? No. Why MS need to wait for W10 in order to have a new flagship?? They already missed the flagship windows phone last year. Of course not now when W10 is just around the corner. 1520 is coming to 2 years since it was available at Nov 2013. All the while we have nothing but tons of mid - low end phones. When was the last time we had amazing breakthrough like 1020?? No, nothing at all.

    So, now MS is going to put all eggs into the W10 basket. If it works, great! Because if isn't, W10 will be the very last shot from MS for phones. And guess what, by the time W10 is announced, it will be very near to the dates of Apple iPhone 6s and Samsung Note 5 releases. Good luck competing with these 2 giants while MS is still begging devs to port their apps from iOS/Android over to W10 for phones.
    05-24-2015 08:31 PM
  25. chmun77's Avatar
    SERIOUSLY? What, you don't think they could release a device that has more features even though it's running WP8.1? They did it with LESSER devices. They could still do it. They could dramatically improve the camera (giving me a 20mp camera when I'm still enjoying a 41mp one that STILL takes better pictures than anything is lame, as far as I'm concerned). And they could put out a REAL flagship and say "you'll be able to enjoy the following new capabilities running 8.1.x, but when W10 comes out there are some other features on the device that you'll be able to take advantage of"....and then leave it to the USER to decide if they want to continue using WP8.1.x or DOWNGRADE to crappy W10 just to access additional hardware-supported features.
    You know, all these comments about MS is waiting for W10 are just plain speculations. Nothing more. The fact is MS is no longer as interested in making new phones like Nokia did. They are more concern with their cloud services and thinking how to absorb more users to use the cloud services from other rival platforms. Hence we are seeing lots of MS apps appearing on iOS and Android. And how many times we see better and more polished identical apps on iOS/Android as compared to the ones we have on WP? Even when we have new W10 flagships, it will just be phones with better CPU and hardware. Don't expect new breakthrough especially from the camera department.
    Tom Snyder likes this.
    05-24-2015 08:36 PM
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