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  1. Krystianpants's Avatar
    WP/W10M all ready have a poor/bad reputation now. Besides, if hackers really want to discover a security hole in windows mobile 10, then insert malware into the OS, they can at any given moment. Regardless, if Project Astoria or Islandwood is successful or not.
    Well at a recent security event Windows was the most secure out of all the OS's when hackers tried to get at it. Internet explorer was hacked but because of the way MS designed windows the attacker couldn't get access outside the memory location. It really depends on how MS did this portion, but my guess is system calls are being emulated on the fly if the code is not being converted completely. I don't know enough about it to make any speculation but if you introduce something like that, it opens up a different method for hackers to try and get in. Even if they can only hack other android apps, it's still a big deal as information can be stolen or shared. Plus does the emulation grow memory as required and can someone just request a ridiculous amount of memory. There's just so many things you can dream up of.
    08-10-2015 07:41 AM
  2. realwarder's Avatar
    This thread probably has run it's course now... nothing much more to be discussed.

    All we can do is look forward to when more mainstream apps start appearing in the Store when this is all released!
    08-10-2015 08:20 AM
  3. DavidinCT's Avatar
    This thread probably has run it's course now... nothing much more to be discussed.

    All we can do is look forward to when more mainstream apps start appearing in the Store when this is all released!
    Right, because you cant discuss anything of value with out it being deleted or edited. They should just close this thread and if you want to discuss this with some MEAT in the subject, there are plenty of other WP sites that are fine with it.
    Last edited by fatclue_98; 08-10-2015 at 12:10 PM.
    08-10-2015 08:24 AM
  4. mjyumping's Avatar
    This thread could be replaced with apps coming to W10M store via Project Astoria by the time it's official
    08-10-2015 08:42 AM
  5. Pete's Avatar
    Right, because you cant discuss anything of value with out it being deleted or edited.
    There's plenty to discuss:
    * Those people who have used the tool can share their experiences of the converted apps
    * Discussion of how this tool affects Android and Windows Phone development; is it better to create Android apps and port them, or to code Universal Apps from scratch, or a migration from one model to the other over time
    * The ethics of apk piracy - "I have access to an apk file, therefore it's mine to do as I like" vis a vis "It's ok for me to steal someone's car now that someone's invented a trailer"
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    08-10-2015 09:29 AM
  6. Wajeeh Maaz's Avatar
    I want to test out my own Android apps(which I have developed) on my 635
    08-10-2015 09:39 AM
  7. Pete's Avatar
    I want to test out my own Android apps(which I have developed) on my 635
    Then wait for the official release of Astoria.
    08-10-2015 09:40 AM
  8. DavidinCT's Avatar
    There's plenty to discuss:
    * Those people who have used the tool can share their experiences of the converted apps
    * Discussion of how this tool affects Android and Windows Phone development; is it better to create Android apps and port them, or to code Universal Apps from scratch, or a migration from one model to the other over time
    * The ethics of apk piracy - "I have access to an apk file, therefore it's mine to do as I like" vis a vis "It's ok for me to steal someone's car now that someone's invented a trailer"
    If course you wont answer my last question why I was given a warning for provding a list of working apps....
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    08-10-2015 09:46 AM
  9. Wajeeh Maaz's Avatar
    08-10-2015 10:07 AM
  10. David T-Rex's Avatar
    And the Blackberry phase continues....
    1st it's complicated to do, well tedious I should say

    Next step someone develops a tool to lower the tedious steps (done)

    People scream there is no app gap but the users for this tool explode installing Android apps.

    Microsoft's next move will be very interesting. They can either break this or embrace this.

    If Microsoft embraces this, the next step will be someone developing a Android like store so people can install apks directly on the device.

    This story has played out already, and it's not pretty.

    Just remember the steps above.
    Does the blackberry method use the same app store or is it a separate Android app store ?

    My take on this (I have tested it just to have a play - but I want to wait for the official released)
    Once this is up an running developers will submit the apps to the Windows Store not some separate app store - Wont this be invisible to the end user?
    The developer works from one code base and pushes the app to 2 stores. 2 eco systems for the price of one.
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    08-10-2015 10:20 AM
  11. FinancialP's Avatar
    Does the blackberry method use the same app store or is it a separate Android app store ?

    My take on this (I have tested it just to have a play - but I want to wait for the official released)
    Once this is up an running developers will submit the apps to the Windows Store not some separate app store - Wont this be invisible to the end user?
    The developer works from one code base and pushes the app to 2 stores. 2 eco systems for the price of one.
    Blackberry just caved in and made a deal with Amazon.

    Their method isn't viable for average Joe Blow, that's why they packaged the Amazon store. There are tools like the one made recently to make the steps easy as ever, just drag and drop.

    Developers should only submit to the real store. The third party store I was referring to, is just a rogue person that developed an app that grabs apks from Google.

    The problem is Blackberry is in such a bad position that they are actually releasing an Android phone now. As people jumped all over the Android apps being side loaded, even though in the beginning it was such a pain to do.
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    08-10-2015 10:28 AM
  12. David T-Rex's Avatar
    Blackberry just caved in and made a deal with Amazon.

    Their method isn't viable for average Joe Blow, that's why they packaged the Amazon store. There are tools like the one made recently to make the steps easy as ever, just drag and drop.

    Developers should only submit to the real store. The third party store I was referring to, is just a rogue person that developed an app that grabs apks from Google.

    The problem is Blackberry is in such a bad position that they are actually releasing an Android phone now. As people jumped all over the Android apps being side loaded, even though in the beginning it was such a pain to do.
    From a WP user point of view (and if the developer has done it) everything will be contained within one single store. People are excited to use the tools and those that want to test it will do - those who are going to download paid for apps through dubious methods will do so - the rest of us will get them from the MS Store once they are available.
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    08-10-2015 10:32 AM
  13. FinancialP's Avatar
    From a WP user point of view (and if the developer has done it) everything will be contained within one single store. People are excited to use the tools and those that want to test it will do - those who are going to download paid for apps through dubious methods will do so - the rest of us will get them from the MS Store once they are available.
    You're 100% correct from a user perspective. However developers have to submit those apps. Which is the crux where Blackberry is currently, development has slowed to crawl.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    08-10-2015 10:37 AM
  14. DavidinCT's Avatar
    For everyone this is a LINK to a SPREADSHEET, Nothing else ! It is on a one drive so it's not pointing to other links to provide to software or hacks or anything of the that.

    These are the apps that were tested on WIndows Phone with results, I would attach the spreadsheet to this post but, I can only attach pictures. It is being updated too so check back.

    https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?...KnrhxjLUm5IxP4

    Mods: If this IS not acceptable, then how can I provide this info to people ? There is no software here or links to software.

    Only reason I am posting this is because I am sick of getting PMs on the subject
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    08-10-2015 11:09 AM
  15. David T-Rex's Avatar
    Its going to be interesting to see how it develops
    08-10-2015 11:12 AM
  16. Spectrum90's Avatar
    To re-quote:


    Using this leaked tool is software piracy, something that Windows Central cannot and will not support.

    In line with other new sites/communities, we allow the discussion of illegal activities, but will not allow users to discuss how to (or ask for how to) perform those illegal activities.
    In that case you should consider removing any post related to Windows 10 Mobile and BlackBerry 10. These products blatantly infringe Oracle's patents with the implementation of Java APIs and in the case of W10, Apple's patents with the implementation of iOS APIs.

    This community shouldn't allow users to discuss how to perform illegal activities such as getting and running W10 and BB10 products that include stolen IP.
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    08-10-2015 11:19 AM
  17. Ben_NC's Avatar
    ....
    * The ethics of apk piracy - "I have access to an apk file, therefore it's mine to do as I like" vis a vis "It's ok for me to steal someone's car now that someone's invented a trailer"

    I contend it's more like... "I bought an apk (app), therefore it's mine to do as I please (minus hack/crack/alter apk)" vis a vis "It's ok for me to buy a car, and drive that sucker anywhere I please." 😊
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    08-10-2015 11:26 AM
  18. Joe920's Avatar
    These are the apps that were tested on WIndows Phone with results, I would attach the spreadsheet to this post but, I can only attach pictures. It is being updated too so check back.
    Interesting that Dolphin Browser works. Next up: Chrome! :D

    Edit: oh good, Flipboard works. Now users will be able to actually flip on WP! :)

    Edit 2: imdb "fails to launch" should maybe read "Failure to launch" (inside joke)
    08-10-2015 11:40 AM
  19. hiya15's Avatar
    Ok, lets take an example of a free android app that earn by posting ads .

    If it is installed on WP and still shows ads just like it does on android. It is actually earning, isnt it? I dont think there should be any problem with the Dev infact his/her app is distributed to larger number of phones and hence more earnings.
    08-10-2015 11:42 AM
  20. pgg101's Avatar
    In that case you should consider removing any post related to Windows 10 Mobile and BlackBerry 10. These products blatantly infringe Oracle's patents with the implementation of Java APIs and in the case of W10, Apple's patents with the implementation of iOS APIs.

    This community shouldn't allow users to discuss how to perform illegal activities such as getting and running W10 and BB10 products that include stolen IP.
    Deja vu. I'll give you the standard response app developers gave to BB10 users as this discussion start a couple of years ago.

    If it works, great. But don't ask us for help and nor will we offer any kind of support since the device itself isn't supported. Netflix, Sonos, Fitbit are the three companies I've personally reached out to and this was their response.

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android on my BlackBerry Passport
    08-10-2015 12:02 PM
  21. fatclue_98's Avatar
    In that case you should consider removing any post related to Windows 10 Mobile and BlackBerry 10. These products blatantly infringe Oracle's patents with the implementation of Java APIs and in the case of W10, Apple's patents with the implementation of iOS APIs.

    This community shouldn't allow users to discuss how to perform illegal activities such as getting and running W10 and BB10 products that include stolen IP.
    Pete stated the Forum's policy very succinctly. The rules are in place for everybody, including the moderating staff, to abide by. Moderators should not have to remind members of what the rules are because the Terms and Conditions of membership clearly state that you have read these rules and agree to abide by them as a condition of membership. In other words, by not knowing the rules, you are, in effect, in violation of the rules. Openly challenging the staff is also a violation of the rules, but you should know that already since you read the forum rules. We, the Mods, are here to enforce Democracy, not practice it.
    08-10-2015 12:18 PM
  22. Trevor Halsey's Avatar
    * The ethics of apk piracy - "I have access to an apk file, therefore it's mine to do as I like" vis a vis "It's ok for me to steal someone's car now that someone's invented a trailer"
    You are looking at this in the wrong direction.
    As long as you either have a free (as in free to download/ no IAPs and is available from a repository/Play Store) there is no fault in doing so. You are simply side loading an archived copy for the application.
    It like we are arguing about [insert any cuss word here] console emulators again.

    Blackberry users even have to do the same and they even have a forum how to strip the Google Play Services from the xaps. Keep in mind that the forum is from MobileNations, the same company residing over Windows Central, CrackBerry, and Android Central. I didn't think we would have this issue here, let alone with DavidinCT, but I stand corrected.
    Being a forum that is within itself and doesn't violate rules there, I'm posting the link here: http://forums.crackberry.com/android...l#post11842830

    I can understand not allowing people to post instructions on where to get Astoria or how to install it. But to simply restrict us to discuss piracy is insane. Let us at least discuss what works, what is broken, and other things of that nature.

    NUKE THE THREAD OR OPEN DISCUSSION UP.
    THIS IS FROM A MOBILE NATIONS TRUSTED MEMBER + COMMENTS MODERATOR.
    Last edited by Trevor Halsey; 08-10-2015 at 12:58 PM. Reason: minor modification
    08-10-2015 12:52 PM
  23. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I can understand not allowing people to post instructions on where to get Astoria or how to install it. But to simply restrict us to discuss piracy is insane. Let us at least discuss what works, what is broken, and other things of that nature.
    We are allowing discussion, the Mod note on the OP clearly states that. We're simply not allowing links to access Project Astoria or instructions how to use or install it. The problem is that the conversation has turned from discussing the Project to discussing Mobile Nations policies. That would be the insanity you speak of since the policies are not open to debate.

    Let's get back on topic.
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    08-10-2015 01:19 PM
  24. DavidinCT's Avatar
    We are allowing discussion, the Mod note on the OP clearly states that. We're simply not allowing links to access Project Astoria or instructions how to use or install it. The problem is that the conversation has turned from discussing the Project to discussing Mobile Nations policies. That would be the insanity you speak of since the policies are not open to debate.

    Let's get back on topic.
    Well, Sorry but, it's a valid question/ issue, I was given a warning for showing a link that apps work and with no details or directions in my post on HOW to, it was just saying what IS POSSIBLE my post got fully edited to remove anything of value.

    It was clearly done by other mods (RumoredNow ), so if your policy is that, why is it so conflicting ?

    If your going to set a Policy here then ALL MODS need to follow it.

    I also would like this to go back on topic but, why bother posting anything of any value if you have a 85% chance of some mod coming by and just deleting everything you type ?
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    08-10-2015 01:45 PM
  25. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Well, Sorry but, it's a valid question/ issue, I was given a warning for showing a link that apps work and with no details or directions in my post on HOW to, it was just saying what IS POSSIBLE my post got fully edited to remove anything of value.

    It was clearly done by other mods (RumoredNow ), so if your policy is that, why is it so conflicting ?

    If your going to set a Policy here then ALL MODS need to follow it.

    I also would like this to go back on topic but, why bother posting anything of any value if you have a 85% chance of some mod coming by and just deleting everything you type ?
    It's not MY policy, it's Mobile Nations policy. But just as there are different interpretations of the laws done by REAL judges sitting on the bench, it's reasonable to assume the same could happen with one of us. As is the case in the legal systems of most industrialized nations, there are recourses available namely, an appeal. I really shouldn't be doing this as it's all in black & white.

    This is the end of Mobile Nations policy discussion in public. Send a PM to James Falconer if you have any queries regarding our rules.
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    08-10-2015 01:56 PM
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