11-29-2015 01:33 PM
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  1. Christopher Kendalls's Avatar
    I left apple for windows phone after using the apps, so it IS bringing people across. Seems going by the discussion at the start others are thinking the same.
    But is this is because of how locked down Apple is, or was it because you realized that the same smooth performance you experience on an iPhone, you could get for less money from a Windows Phone? Was it for the example I provided, or were there other applications or experiences you had on Windows Phone that made you want to use it as your daily driver?

    I'm not suggesting that there aren't compelling reasons to come to WP. What I'm saying, is that Universal Apps alone, particularly when these apps are going to be ports from other platforms and reworked for WP after the fact of having existed on other platforms, in and of itself, is not a game changer. Apps are still going to be developed for Apple first, then Android, and they may eventually make their way to Windows Phone at the end of the day.
    08-14-2015 12:17 PM
  2. Wbutchart1's Avatar
    I changed because as i used the apps on my ipad and iphone i saw them getting updated loads, developing so quickly that soon i stopped using pages. When it came time for a mobile upgrade i thought about a windows phone and went for the 535, saving myself a fair bit of money too.
    08-14-2015 12:31 PM
  3. KSilcox's Avatar
    I think it's genius. Microsoft is making headway into closed realms. Apple and Google won't release their apps on the Windows platform but Windows releases it's apps EVERYWHERE. Which will you choose to partner with? I pick Windows.
    Last edited by KSilcox; 08-14-2015 at 07:52 PM.
    08-14-2015 07:22 PM
  4. Bahamen's Avatar
    Universal apps for Windows 10 is NOT going to bring anyone from Android or IOS over to our side. I honestly do not know why anyone would believe that. I know that this is how WC evangelizes Windows 10, and it makes for good marketing but it just does not make sense. If I have an Android or IOS powered phone why would I leave for Windows if I can get the same apps from Microsoft on the phone I already have?
    For heavy users of Microsoft services within an Android/Apple world, I'm pretty confident there WILL be many who will give W10M a serious thought. Come on, a phone is not like your lifetime investment, there are those who wouldn't mind spending a couple hundred bucks to try something new, especially if they are already fully invested in Microsoft's services. There are reasons to believe that once W10M and universal apps appear, there will be tighter integration of these services that the experience on W10M would be better than other platforms.
    08-14-2015 08:12 PM
  5. iyae's Avatar
    So what? Two random internet Joes, that are probably paid said that they MIGHT change their minds and this leads to bold statements?
    Are you always like this? Paid? Really? Or are you just miserable all the time?

    Its actually not just a "few" joes. I've had quite a few conversations like this with android users at work. They are all saying the same thing; that Microsoft is reclaiming productivity back from google. They aren't as convinced with Windows Mobile yet but they are all GLOWING about using Microsoft services again. And one did say he was switching to W10M when his contract is out. So stop being so negative all the time. Unless, and I'll use your cynical stance here, you are just a "PAID GOOGLE SHILL". :P
    Bahamen and juanitoriv like this.
    08-14-2015 08:35 PM
  6. Bahamen's Avatar
    Outside of Office and OneDrive what apps exist on Windows Phone that an Android or IOS user would even want or need?
    OneNote, Cortana, Outlook, and I'm sure they are actively working on many new ones. Once you have developed a very solid reputation for making quality apps, I'm sure people will try out whatever new things you come up with.
    08-14-2015 08:38 PM
  7. bradm77's Avatar
    I get that there is some frustration right now with apps being released earlier on Android and Ios, and being better on those platforms, I have felt that same angst. But looking at the "long view", Satya has said on more than one occasion that their goal is to have the BEST experience for MS apps and services be on WP...

    Rome wasn't built in a day, and WP has a LONG way to go to be a viable player, but considering the mess Ballmer left us with, I am cautiously EXCITED about where MSFT is going with mobile...

    Those who wish to can now resume their wailing and gnashing of teeth. LOL
    juanitoriv and Joshwin like this.
    08-14-2015 09:14 PM
  8. juanitoriv's Avatar
    Speak for yourself. I never had an issue with it. If anything I always defended Microsoft's ambitions in these forums.

    The bottom line remains that Android and IOS are getting new functionality before Windows Phone users. Simple as that. I don't criticize Microsoft for developing great applications for other platforms. They've always done that, even back in the PC days. I criticize the lack of functionality for those same applications as experienced on Windows Phone.
    While on a base level, I could agree with you, but from a technical level I can't. From WP7 through WP8.1, all of these aforementioned services have all been baked directly into the OS. At the time, I had a Samsung Omnia running Windows Mobile 6.5, more of a PDA than a phone. All of that integration is what led me to my HTC Radar, then to an 8X, and now to the L630 I am currently using.

    Now, on the surface that seems like, and is a wonderful idea. The issue there is that it takes an update of the entire OS in order to bring anything new to these baked-in features. And we all know how well OS updates are supported by the carriers. Can you even begin to imagine a "Patch Tuesday" scenario knowing this?

    With W10M, all of these services/apps are now their own entities, meaning they can now receive updates in the Store just like anything else. Heck, you can even uninstall them if you want. Just as Wbutchart stated, updates can almost be expected with regularity. I can foresee regular "feature updates" to all of these services/apps, such as drivers to print from Word to a brand new make of Wi-Fi enabled printer. On a side note, I got so freakin excited when I saw the native PDF printing feature in the Office & Maps apps. Sweet!!! I gave Insider feedback for the need to expand upon this to Edge, Photos, etc.....

    Now that I've rambled on, I will say that with W10 for PC, XBox One, tablet and finally mobile, MS has one hell of an opportunity to make all of us die-hards extremely happy and all them other folks drool. On the flip-side, if there is even a modicum of any functionality that is brought to the other platforms before we get it, or if our experience is anything but stellar by comparison, me and the pyro guy from earlier in the thread are going to go to Redmond, and I'll bring the matches, who else wants to come?

    Please Microsoft, don't f*#ck this up!! I'm too pretty to go to prison!!!!
    08-14-2015 11:14 PM
  9. Joshwin's Avatar
    Undoubtedly Satyas strategy is best in the long run. I am pretty sure WP has a great future. I just wish MS makes this statement
    BEST experience for MS apps and services be on WP...
    come true soon. that's all we need now.
    08-15-2015 04:11 AM
  10. Neyney10's Avatar
    OneNote on android renders my language [Hebrew] Horribly. so Horribly its unreadable or can make proper notes, in English it works perfectly nice though.
    on my WP OneNote works faster and better both my language and English.
    08-15-2015 04:31 AM
  11. wcpusr's Avatar
    You want some cold water on that burn? Or more salt?
    2.7% marketshare.. any burns now?
    10-01-2015 03:19 PM
  12. DavidinCT's Avatar
    2.7% marketshare.. any burns now?
    Can you back up your quote with facts ? Where ? US or another location in the world ? I hate these claims, Oh, Windows Phone has a 25% marketshare....Oh, wait, no facts to back it up... LOL

    Last was posted was around 3.5% in the US still low but, Microsoft's Unversal app stratagy and Windows 10 acceptance on a global level might help with groth here. At least one can hope...This is not going to help anything in the short term tho...unless you get that dream app next week.
    10-02-2015 09:36 AM
  13. Tsang Fai's Avatar
    Indeed people's impression on Microsoft is the main obstacle for the adoption of Microsoft's products and services.

    Most people still don't have good impression on Microsoft. The situation is improving in recent years (thanks to Surface, Office 365, and the general positive comments on Windows 10) but there is still much room for improvement.

    So Microsoft's strategy is to let the world know they can offer good quality services. Their ultimate goal is to convince users to use their hardware.
    10-02-2015 10:12 AM
  14. Blade800's Avatar
    2.7% marketshare.. any burns now?
    Nah thank you, Ill grab some popcorn and watch the markteshare grow when W10 for phones are released along with the new phones.
    10-02-2015 12:36 PM
  15. Mad Cabbie's Avatar
    Considering and doing are poles apart. I did. I left android after many years of using and rom cooking from the Galaxy 2 through to 3, and predominantly Note 3. I'm not going back. Lollipop always felt unfinished, OEM's, like Samsung, took ages to release official OS's, and they were stacked with bloat, memory bleed always an issue, several releases to fix continuous bugs.....

    Love the windows OS. Not going back.
    TechAbstract likes this.
    10-19-2015 03:20 AM
  16. sumton's Avatar
    yeah MS investment plans on android, ios starting to pay off so much to a point that made me buy an android phone for a better MS apps and MS apps updates
    10-19-2015 06:30 AM
  17. Leonel Funes's Avatar
    Yup, 2 down, 999,999,998 to go.
    Don't forget the 110M on Windows 10 + those that will upgrade to Windows 10 Mobile + those buying a new device + Windows 10 on everything else like Xbox. That 1B-users-on-Windows10 goal will be reached quickly...
    10-19-2015 12:57 PM
  18. heickelrrx's Avatar
    Yeah this works.

    Please don't think that US is the entire world. Market share may low on US by outside US they start kicking.
    In 2012 really rare to found WP devices but today. I saw it everyday on bus, train ect.

    Why because first MS budget strategy really works. Nokia aftersales care network has wind coverage and persuade people to buy Microsoft products. In emerging markets this strategy really works as people doesn't going to purchase a motorcycle class smartphone too much.

    Second Microsoft services are works on all platforms. My mom has iPad, Lumia 535 and they synchronization really great.

    Third, many organizations using office 365 subscription which offer mail server. That made people more regularly using Microsoft services rather their competitors.

    Fourth Microsoft has great program and event. Remember when they held an event in US that announced 950 and gank few days ago? Similar events being held on lot different places afterwards. Microsoft also offers great student program. We may hear Google ambassador and Microsoft U Crew program but we never heard about apple has thing like that for students here
    10-19-2015 01:15 PM
  19. Polychrome's Avatar
    Universal apps for Windows 10 is NOT going to bring anyone from Android or IOS over to our side. I honestly do not know why anyone would believe that.
    Simple. We can talk all day about what apps android or apple does or doesn't have, but a PC's software app availability squishes that flat.

    Does that mean you'll get Starbucks and Snapchat? Maybe. Maybe not. What it means is that the guy playing around in Unity who just came up with the idea of the century might be more inclined to compile his project as a "universal" one, knowing it'll make his app look more appealing and might grab him a few more customers.
    10-19-2015 08:57 PM
  20. TechAbstract's Avatar
    Considering and doing are poles apart. I did. I left android after many years of using and rom cooking from the Galaxy 2 through to 3, and predominantly Note 3. I'm not going back. Lollipop always felt unfinished, OEM's, like Samsung, took ages to release official OS's, and they were stacked with bloat, memory bleed always an issue, several releases to fix continuous bugs.....

    Love the windows OS. Not going back.
    I feel the same. I got tired of flashing buggy ROMs every week. But if the OEMs keep pushing Android, Android will be on top for awhile. Microsoft doesn't do enough to push the platform.
    10-19-2015 09:08 PM
  21. Mad Cabbie's Avatar
    I feel the same. I got tired of flashing buggy ROMs every week. But if the OEMs keep pushing Android, Android will be on top for awhile. Microsoft doesn't do enough to push the platform.
    You should see the ads in the UK for crapple!! Pretty much EVERY bank is pushing iBone and crapple pay.

    How the hell do you compete with that!

    Most android users are just sheep who follow who ever releases the latest 'fashion' icon. Even the iBone 6 has an ad that clearly states " this is the new iBone 6. Not a lot has changed". The ad then goes off and convinces the gullible that the same features, although tweeked, are needed. Even Samsung have released the same phone several times! Take the Note 3. After 12 months it was deemed outdated by Samdung. No software updates, as promised, then Note 4 appears, straight to lollipop whilst 3 users get left behind. Luckily I ported 4 rom to the 3 with unbelievable ease. Even managed to get S6 apps included, and port S6 rom as well. Note 3 v Note 4 antutu scores were negligible in difference!

    I am not a fashionista. I want a device that works. I have a 640xl and a 1320. I can take either one with me and they operate in EXACTLY the same manner, with identical start screens, the same tiles etc. Total outlay?? 259.00!! Less than half the price of a banana phone or a stupid edge phone.

    Unfortunately, until these sheep get a new sheep dog to show them the way, we will have to see how continuum / W10M perform. Will they jump ship?? Who knows. I guess the market share figures will tell us.
    10-20-2015 06:19 AM
  22. mariusmuntean's Avatar
    Well, that is all part of MS's (Nadella's) plan. If MS makes their other services/apps (OneDrive, Skype, OneNote, Bing, Outlook, Cortana, etc...) on all platforms really excellent, then sooner or later some iAndroid users are going to think, "Damn, if MS's services are really this good and reliable I should pick up a W10 phone too."
    I cannot laugh enough when I see such comments. You think an Android user or iPhone user will come to WP just because MS services are great? If these services are great on their platform, why switch to one that is barely supported by carriers and shops, and even worse by devs? We need good apps in both design and functionality! When a users decides to try WP he must not have any block points such as..APPS!! he has on his phone and on WP are either missing or are present but outdated and half broken.
    I have used all platforms but BB. switched between them every year to see for myself the good and the bad.
    I will come back to WP when the OS will be again LAG FREE and with an in place design..seriously, win10 is a mess on phones, looks like a broken shrinked down PC user interface! Apps won't be a problem anymore, MS's customer service will get some decent quality, not just some guys hired to read from a paper list, and HW problems on the phones won't be so severe: L920,930,830,1520 all had issues...not mentioning them again, you had to be lucky to get a handset without any issues-> After all these are solved I will think again about switching to WP again.
    Continuum won't magically bring hundreds of users to WP!! stop this nonsense and think in a realistic way!
    Iris scanner WON'T be a WOW factor! The same as Touch ID was not a WOW factor, it was nice,new but not WOW!
    The only thing now I see way better on the two new Lumias is the camera. From the leaked sample pictures, the camera on those two is clearly ahead of anything on the market now; way ahead, better in every aspect. But only the camera won't be enough.
    Last edited by mariusmuntean; 10-21-2015 at 07:24 AM.
    10-21-2015 07:05 AM
  23. mariusmuntean's Avatar
    I get that there is some frustration right now with apps being released earlier on Android and Ios, and being better on those platforms, I have felt that same angst. But looking at the "long view", Satya has said on more than one occasion that their goal is to have the BEST experience for MS apps and services be on WP...

    Rome wasn't built in a day, and WP has a LONG way to go to be a viable player, but considering the mess Ballmer left us with, I am cautiously EXCITED about where MSFT is going with mobile...

    Those who wish to can now resume their wailing and gnashing of teeth. LOL
    It's the same story all over again. Always the same excuse: WP has long way to go...always. While some have enough patience, others have lost it.
    10-21-2015 07:12 AM
  24. jlzimmerman's Avatar
    I cannot laugh enough when I see such comments. You think an Android user or iPhone user will come to WP just because MS services are great? If these services are great on their platform, why switch to one that is barely supported by carriers and shops, and even worse by devs?
    Stop dreaming.
    It worked for other manufactures such as Macs for Apple, Honda auto back in the 80's, and Amazon.com in the 90's. It's not a dream, it's history. You build something great and people notice and rethink their products/services of choice.

    Barely supported by carriers? Stop thinking about the U.S. That thinking is too shortsighted. The US is too saturated and loyalties are too embedded. There is a whole other market that within the next 15-20 years will overshadow market share in the U.S, mainly in India and African nations. MS knows this.
    10-21-2015 07:22 AM
  25. Christopher Kendalls's Avatar
    True. And I have no problem with that. I'm just saying that developers that are "all in" on Android or iOS are not going to start suddenly developing Windows apps until they see the payoff. And that is perfectly fine with me. But if a new breed of developer pops up, and we get those apps on Windows phone, thanks to Universal Apps, it is better than the situation we've got right now. That's why I'm not putting a lot of stock into these development "projects" that Microsoft is touting. Project Astoria is already on hiatus as it is.
    11-29-2015 06:53 AM
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