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  1. Joshwin's Avatar
    In every windows forum there were thousands of hate speeches criticizing MS's commitment to give away all the WP exclusive apps to other platforms. but on the android forums people are praising MS's services and many fully invested in MS ecosystem instead of google's and even more surprisingly many consider switching to w10m. Recently MS released a an update for onenote for android with an interesting feature called "Floatie". this allows the user to take notes from any other app without leaving the app(a floating onenote page opens on the top of the other non-onenote apps). and android users really love it(i am sure WP fans will be upset about it when the news hits WC). Many would think that MS's this kind of strategy will never help WP's market share. but in reality it is just the opposite. Even die-hard android fans consider switching to windows phones after seeing such a great MS services on android platform. they believe that WP will the be right platform in the future to enjoy all these wonderful MS services to the fullest. see some of the android fans comments on some android forum:
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    I think MS's new mobile strategy is really working and will sure make people more interested in WP and also help improve MS ecosystem as a whole. The android fans have just nibbled at the bait lets wait and see how it turns out.
    Last edited by Joshwin; 08-12-2015 at 04:21 AM.
    08-12-2015 04:07 AM
  2. wcpusr's Avatar
    So what? Two random internet Joes, that are probably paid said that they MIGHT change their minds and this leads to bold statements?
    08-12-2015 04:24 AM
  3. Joshwin's Avatar
    I have just taken two posts as an example. there were 100s of android fans said similar things(You'll have to scroll half a mile down if i were to include all the +ve comments on that forum about MS's strategy). yes it is a bold statement but it is true that many people have started investing more and more in MS's system. more they invest more people will use windows devices eventually. its just a fact. these two people's comments are just a glimpse of what is happening in the android world. many people are on the same boat not just two.
    08-12-2015 04:30 AM
  4. theefman's Avatar
    And they switch and find "floatie" and other apps aren't available and then they switch back.....
    08-12-2015 05:41 AM
  5. Blade800's Avatar
    So what? Two random internet Joes, that are probably paid said that they MIGHT change their minds and this leads to bold statements?
    You want some cold water on that burn? Or more salt?
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    08-12-2015 06:43 AM
  6. DavidinCT's Avatar
    It's far from being a success in any way. When the market share grows after all these things they are trying (Hoping W10m, Universal apps, an iOS/Android to WP), then it will be success and the major apps will come back.

    The big companies wont do some simple conversion of their app. This would be smaller shops that don't have the budget to create a new app and can get their product or services out You WONT see Chaise, Bank of America etc doing a iOS/Android to Windows Phone.. A Universal app, maybe....

    We have time but, WP WONT be a success till that market share gets around 10-15%, and sitting at 3.5% (in the US), there is LONG WAY TO GO...

    Discussion on forums is good but, till they BUY a Windows Phone and start going into all Microsoft stuff, it does not matter too much for the end goal here...
    08-12-2015 07:31 AM
  7. hiya15's Avatar
    Its a start , positive start
    08-12-2015 07:38 AM
  8. Joshwin's Avatar
    Yes it is.
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    08-12-2015 07:42 AM
  9. triageatdawn's Avatar
    Yep, this is actually a good sign. Microsoft is a major threat right now, just think about what's happening now between Google and Apple. What are they so scared of? No matter what they come up with back there I won't even dream about jumping this ship. Period.
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    08-12-2015 01:33 PM
  10. jlzimmerman's Avatar
    Well, that is all part of MS's (Nadella's) plan. If MS makes their other services/apps (OneDrive, Skype, OneNote, Bing, Outlook, Cortana, etc...) on all platforms really excellent, then sooner or later some iAndroid users are going to think, "Damn, if MS's services are really this good and reliable I should pick up a W10 phone too."
    08-13-2015 07:22 AM
  11. tgp's Avatar
    Its a start , positive start
    Yup, 2 down, 999,999,998 to go.
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    08-13-2015 07:36 AM
  12. Robinsonmac's Avatar
    Well, that is all part of MS's (Nadella's) plan. If MS makes their other services/apps (OneDrive, Skype, OneNote, Bing, Outlook, Cortana, etc...) on all platforms really excellent, then sooner or later some Android users are going to think, "Damn, if MS's services are really this good and reliable I should pick up a W10 phone too."
    Except when they do get a W10M device and see how the apps on Android or IPhone were better they will go back. This only works if the apps are the same or better once they switch
    08-13-2015 07:51 AM
  13. tgp's Avatar
    Except when they do get a W10M device and see how the apps on Android or IPhone were better they will go back. This only works if the apps are the same or better once they switch
    Yes, you're correct. And there's more to it. If Microsoft's services are at least equal on other platforms, there's less reason to switch to WP. For one thing, a user would be abandoning the ecosystem they've built up outside of Microsoft's services.

    iOS and Android are not stagnant. Can Microsoft come up with a blow-me-away feature on WP, making it a gotta-have? The closest thing I see is Continuum, but that's going to be limited for the time being. There's a vast market outside of high end phones, which Continuum will be limited to (at first).

    And then there's another caveat: sure, Microsoft may bring a blow-me-away feature, but Apple and Google might come up with something like that too. So we're back to square one!
    08-13-2015 08:51 AM
  14. jlzimmerman's Avatar
    Except when they do get a W10M device and see how the apps on Android or IPhone were better they will go back. This only works if the apps are the same or better once they switch
    I'm the first to complain about MS developing apps for other platforms before their own, but in regard to providing better apps for existing MS services/apps, it's a bit more excusable. With W10M being developed, it made sense not to put a whole lot of effort in improving existing W8.1 apps when they would just have to redo them with W10M. Let's give MS the benefit of the doubt and wait to see what they look like on W10M. If they are still crap compared to their iAndroid equivalent then we should Redmond down to the ground.
    08-13-2015 08:53 AM
  15. tgp's Avatar
    If they are still crap compared to their iAndroid equivalent then we should Redmond down to the ground.
    You're talking about the mobile division here, correct? The reason I ask is that there seems to be an all-or-none attitude here, and I'm not sure why. For the most part, you can pick and choose your services and have them work together very cohesively. I use a mixture of Microsoft and Google services on Windows, OS X, Android, iOS, and WP, and it is all very seamless (with the exception of WP).

    Just because WP isn't taking off, and even if it eventually goes away, that doesn't mean that Microsoft should be crucified. They are kings in the PC market, as well as enterprise, and will be for the foreseeable future. Their services are available on most platforms. We don't need to "throw the baby out with the bathwater."

    Although I use quite a variety of devices, if I was forced to whittle it down to one device for each department, I would choose Windows for PC, iOS for tablet, and Android for phone. It is very painless to switch between the 3, with an excellent experience with Microsoft's and Google's services on each device. I see no reason to go all in with any one of them.
    08-13-2015 09:44 AM
  16. jlzimmerman's Avatar
    Just because WP isn't taking off, and even if it eventually goes away, that doesn't mean that Microsoft should be crucified.
    If their own services/apps don't work as well on their own platform as competing platforms, or their services/apps are missing features on their own platform as compared to competing platforms, then yes, they (Belfiore and company) should be crucified. I am at least giving them the benefit of the doubt that they were waiting for W10M to get things on par.
    08-13-2015 10:32 AM
  17. tgp's Avatar
    If their own services/apps don't work as well on their own platform as competing platforms, or their services/apps are missing features on their own platform as compared to competing platforms, then yes, they (Belfiore and company) should be crucified. I am at least giving them the benefit of the doubt that they were waiting for W10M to get things on par.
    Yes I agree there. Part of the problem so far has been WP's (lack of) capabilities as an operating system. That's at least part of the reason Microsoft does better on iOS and Android than WP; simply because it's not possible on WP.

    So far Microsoft in the mobile department has been like a Little Leaguer trying to play in the MLB.
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    08-13-2015 10:38 AM
  18. OutlawFirebird's Avatar
    They need to invest in getting developers to make wp apps. That is the downside to wp. I love the os, and my icon. But with so many developers avoiding even talking about wp. Makes me think twice sometimes. And I've been a Microsoft supporter for a while, still got my Zune.
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    08-14-2015 02:04 AM
  19. Bahamen's Avatar
    Well, considering that any comments relating to Microsoft in Android forums tend to be highly negative (rightly or wrongly), I'd say these kinds of comments at least represent a turning point. I think the battlefield has moved away from platforms to services. There's only so much you can do about innovation, features, UI, or anything else of significance that can't be quickly replicated by competitors anyway. But with services you gain users, and with users you gain leverage. By locking-in users to their ecosystem, Microsoft is going to stand a much higher chance of getting people to switch to WP than, say, live tiles ever could. For business users who rely a lot on Microsoft's services and may not need the latest game, it may make a lot of sense to consider switching. The stakes are now much higher since Google provide many of the same services. Besides fighting Google on its own turf, this is also a pre-emptive move against Google making inroad to its core business. It's better to go on offensive than defensive.

    Of course it doesn't quite answer the question why wouldn't Microsoft do more for their own platform. In an ideal world sure, they should. I can only hazard a guess they are waiting for W10M to put the final touches together.
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    08-14-2015 02:26 AM
  20. Joshwin's Avatar
    Except when they do get a W10M device and see how the apps on Android or IPhone were better they will go back. This only works if the apps are the same or better once they switch
    We can't judge the microsoft apps and services on W10M yet.W10M isn't a finished OS yet. and don't think these apps are feature locked on W10m and stay inferior to android/ios counterparts for ever.once W10M is released sure all the Microsoft services will be better on w10m. MS will focus more on w10m to make sure that their apps are much better on w10m.Universal apps will get much better once the OS is ready. Soon most people from other platforms will reach the point where they can't live without MS services(that's what MS want). and by that time w10m will have much revamped universal apps far better than android and ios counterparts. it will be a checkmate. those who care much about MS services will have no choice but to switch to W10M(at least as a secondary phone).
    Last edited by Joshwin; 08-14-2015 at 06:14 AM.
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    08-14-2015 05:48 AM
  21. Wbutchart1's Avatar
    Despite the petty replies I do agree the strategy is working.

    Why? It worked on me, I was full apple, until I started using Microsoft apps, being impressed by them and seeing how quickly they were progressing. I then changed from iPhone to Lumia and from an ipad to a linx 10. my wife has also changed from a 5s to a 735 my step son is also looking at changing.

    so yeah, good service impresses people, makes them look again at a company they may have dismissed and change their opinion, its not rocket science really, thank goodness some of the folks here replying are not running Microsoft is all I can say....
    08-14-2015 05:50 AM
  22. Joshwin's Avatar
    By locking-in users to their ecosystem, Microsoft is going to stand a much higher chance of getting people to switch to WP than, say, live tiles ever could.
    Exactly. Couldn't have said it better. That is exactly what is going to happen. I think MS has made a brilliant decision by letting users from other mobile platform to taste their services.
    08-14-2015 06:11 AM
  23. Christopher Kendalls's Avatar
    Speak for yourself. I never had an issue with it. If anything I always defended Microsoft's ambitions in these forums.

    The bottom line remains that Android and IOS are getting new functionality before Windows Phone users. Simple as that. I don't criticize Microsoft for developing great applications for other platforms. They've always done that, even back in the PC days. I criticize the lack of functionality for those same applications as experienced on Windows Phone.

    That was never an issue with the PC. It wasn't as though Mac OS X had great Microsoft apps that did not exist on Windows XP, for example. So it is off putting to see them doing this with mobile. It just feels as though now that Microsoft is involved in hardware creation that they have a conflict of interests with their base, and other markets they want to be a part of.
    08-14-2015 11:41 AM
  24. Christopher Kendalls's Avatar
    Universal apps for Windows 10 is NOT going to bring anyone from Android or IOS over to our side. I honestly do not know why anyone would believe that. I know that this is how WC evangelizes Windows 10, and it makes for good marketing but it just does not make sense. If I have an Android or IOS powered phone why would I leave for Windows if I can get the same apps from Microsoft on the phone I already have?

    Outside of Office and OneDrive what apps exist on Windows Phone that an Android or IOS user would even want or need? The only case scenario I could see if with using OneDrive as a music locker for Groove Music. It is so much easier to do on Windows Phone than it is IOS. The only down side is that you will eventually have to pay for additional storage (once you use up the 15 - 30 GB Microsoft provides everyone), or consider renting Office 365 or get a pass to get around that limitation. And Android users get free storage, and that storage is dedicated to music it can't be used for anything else, so Google Play Music is a better option.

    If Microsoft is serious about Groove Music they need to offer free radio, in order to compete with what Android and IOS is doing (iTunes Radio). I don't even use Groove Music anymore. Why should I; the app doesn't address my needs. Google Play Music's radio service is actually good, and MixRadio cannabalizes Groove Music anyway. Plus Groove Music cannot sync what is in OneDrive with what is in the cache on the phone to save it's life.
    08-14-2015 11:58 AM
  25. Wbutchart1's Avatar
    Universal apps for Windows 10 is NOT going to bring anyone from Android or IOS over to our side. I honestly do not know why anyone would believe that. I know that this is how WC evangelizes Windows 10, and it makes for good marketing but it just does not make sense. If I have an Android or IOS powered phone why would I leave for Windows if I can get the same apps from Microsoft on the phone I already have?

    Outside of Office and OneDrive what apps exist on Windows Phone that an Android or IOS user would even want or need? The only case scenario I could see if with using OneDrive as a music locker for Groove Music. It is so much easier to do on Windows Phone than it is IOS. The only down side is that you will eventually have to pay for additional storage (once you use up the 15 - 30 GB Microsoft provides everyone), or consider renting Office 365 or get a pass to get around that limitation. And Android users get free storage, and that storage is dedicated to music it can't be used for anything else, so Google Play Music is a better option.

    If Microsoft is serious about Groove Music they need to offer free radio, in order to compete with what Android and IOS is doing (iTunes Radio). I don't even use Groove Music anymore. Why should I; the app doesn't address my needs. Google Play Music's radio service is actually good, and MixRadio cannabalizes Groove Music anyway. Plus Groove Music cannot sync what is in OneDrive with what is in the cache on the phone to save it's life.
    I left apple for windows phone after using the apps, so it IS bringing people across. Seems going by the discussion at the start others are thinking the same.
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    08-14-2015 12:04 PM
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