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  1. Ian_Superfly's Avatar
    When looking at different sites where people are discussing the new phone systems iOS 9, Android M and W10M it seems like both iOS9 and Andorid M will get a lot of new features while W10M will lose features compared to WP8.1?

    Is that (another) sign of MS dumping their phones or why is this? WP8 lost some nice features from WP7 and it feels really bad if we again lose features in W10M. How can Apple and Google do switches of OS and where they increase the functionality while MS seems to have to step back every time?

    (IF things are as I believe I think MS should be honest about it and stop flogging this horse)
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    08-14-2015 04:48 AM
  2. charlatan1978's Avatar
    Can you give some examples?
    08-14-2015 04:52 AM
  3. Ian_Superfly's Avatar
    Can you give some examples?
    You ask what is missing in W10M vs WP8.1?
    It’s a lot of things everywhere in the system. Some more important than other but many still ”nice to haves” .

    Some examples (but all you have to do is to try W10M):
    Impossible to use the phone with one hand (this is a big step backwards)! Difficult to clear notifications, No week numbers in calendar, no month view, no shared mail folders, no HERE maps/apps, no ME tile and FB sync, no customization of sounds, EDGE (does not work on most pages and does not sync) etc etc.

    Just use it and you will notice
    wizzackr, ernestperol and EspHack like this.
    08-14-2015 06:22 AM
  4. Ian Too's Avatar
    You ask what is missing in W10M vs WP8.1?
    It’s a lot of things everywhere in the system. Some more important than other but many still ”nice to haves” .

    Some examples (but all you have to do is to try W10M):
    Impossible to use the phone with one hand (this is a big step backwards)! Difficult to clear notifications, No week numbers in calendar, no month view, no shared mail folders, no HERE maps/apps, no ME tile and FB sync, no customization of sounds, EDGE (does not work on most pages and does not sync) etc etc.

    Just use it and you will notice
    What are you talking about? Calendar doesn't show week numbers in 8.1 and week number is under settings in Outlook Calendar. Hit the down arrow next to the month name in Outlook Calendar and your get a month view. Here Drive+ and Here Maps are both listed on my phone under installed apps.

    Eyes are really good, try using them.
    08-14-2015 06:56 AM
  5. wizzackr's Avatar
    to ad some things to that list: in the recent call list there is no longer a "search contacts" option if the person you're looking should not be in that list - so you'll have to leave the app, go into contacts, find the person, swipe right and then click call; also tap and hold no longer has the 'send text' option in call lists like it used to have in wp8.1, settings are also no longer conveniently grouped consistently - one example: in wp8.1 all email & social accounts were to be found in the system settings, unified under one 'accounts' tab. Now that still is the case - but only for the Microsoft account. All other accounts migrated into all kinds of places - such as into the outlook app. more of those annoyances right there: In the outlook app you will finally find those settings by going into the hamburger menu top left - and then back down to the bottom right, where they hide behind the cog icon - and icon sometimes placed IN that hamburger menu - or sometimes in the three dot menu (e.g. the camera app). Those kind of things are ALL OVER THE PLACE. Sure, you can still use the OS, it's just... annoying to do so.
    FinancialP and theefman like this.
    08-14-2015 07:08 AM
  6. wizzackr's Avatar
    What are you talking about? Calendar doesn't show week numbers in 8.1 and week number is under settings in Outlook Calendar. Hit the down arrow next to the month name in Outlook Calendar and your get a month view. Here Drive+ and Here Maps are both listed on my phone under installed apps.
    agree, I also still have those apps available and the Information in the calendar app is there - it is just very easy to overlook said Things (the calendar info that is), which does speak volumes with regards to the state of the general UI layout...
    08-14-2015 07:11 AM
  7. stevemind's Avatar
    Just wondering what IOS & droid have that we don't? Better get some popcorn, because were not bovvered
    08-14-2015 07:16 AM
  8. jizwizard's Avatar
    To search for contacts in recent calls use the number pad 1=ABC etc
    FinancialP likes this.
    08-14-2015 07:24 AM
  9. wizzackr's Avatar
    To search for contacts in recent calls use the number pad 1=ABC etc
    Cool, thanks. Did not know that!
    08-14-2015 08:21 AM
  10. Ian_Superfly's Avatar
    What are you talking about? Calendar doesn't show week numbers in 8.1 and week number is under settings in Outlook Calendar. Hit the down arrow next to the month name in Outlook Calendar and your get a month view. Here Drive+ and Here Maps are both listed on my phone under installed apps.

    Eyes are really good, try using them.
    I'll do a hard reset because I don’t have them (L 925).
    08-14-2015 08:26 AM
  11. Ian_Superfly's Avatar
    To search for contacts in recent calls use the number pad 1=ABC etc
    Why is it not like that in the normal "phone view"? I.e. just press 2662 for "Anna"?
    (That was in my HTC from 2009)
    DavidinCT likes this.
    08-14-2015 08:32 AM
  12. Mad Cabbie's Avatar
    You have to look at these OS's as three separate entity's.

    From my experience with Android, at a rom cooker level, they keep updating it purely to maintain their lead! How many phones are there that are less than two years old, and no longer get updates?? There are many. Take the phone I had. I had a note 3. The note 4 get's launched with 5.0.1 as it was a new flagship. The note 3 was left hanging for several months, until the Polish 5.0 was released. Despite this, many markets were left without it, and many far eastern markets didn't get it until much later, if at all. Our version was 5.0, the note 4 5.0.1 (with many improvements). All done to sell units, not just note 4. Samdung were not impressed when we managed to port a note 4 rom to the note 3, with VERY little effort. The note 3 ran just as well producing a relatively comparable Antutu score.

    Android has major **** ups as well. 4.0 - 4.4, no provision to store apps on SD card. The only way was to 'root', at which point ( again in my experience ), Samdung inform you that your warranty is now invalid as you have burnt the knox fuse!!

    What I detest the most about Android is that it is OPEN source, with kernels based on Linux, also open source, but manufacturers lock them down tight, and fill them with a shed load of bloatware. To use your device as intended, and use it beyond the two year ( now yearly, in some cases! ), you have to fail to comply with their 'closed' source arrangements. Also, why does a simple App need to know everything about you? Won't be long before they ask for your inside leg measurement!!

    I HATE apple phones. Like Android, they are just Fashion Accessories that enable those of a, shallow disposition, to brag about to there 'mates'. Mugs!! Love Macs though, go figure....

    As I said, had a note 3. Now have a 640XL. Never used the SPen ( another gimmick that I fell for like a mug ). The 640XL, for me, is more than capable of doing most things my note did. OK, no AMOLED scree, but who cares. The OS is VERY easy to use, and 10166 wasn't a bad effort.

    You have to remember that this isn't the final edition. Unlike Android users, at least you know you are getting the update I don't really think direct comparison to Android / iOS is fair. They are all trying to do the same thing, and there are only so many times you can re-invent the wheel. It is weird though when you look at the desktop market and you see Win, Linux then iOS

    Sorry for the ramble
    08-14-2015 08:54 AM
  13. wizzackr's Avatar
    You have to look at these OS's as three separate entity's. ...

    Sorry for the ramble
    Very informative read, no need to be sorry! It's been a while since I last used android or ios on my main phone, always nice to read about other peoples' experiences.
    08-14-2015 10:03 AM
  14. Pandollar's Avatar
    Have they left out motion data from w10, can't open it.
    08-14-2015 01:33 PM
  15. wizzackr's Avatar
    Have they left out motion data from w10, can't open it.
    I had to install Microsoft health in order to access it. I think that was in 166...
    08-14-2015 03:18 PM
  16. Panos Athanasiou's Avatar
    i dont know about you i have everything expect the swipe notifications but i can reply from the notification itself and thats a nice get for me
    and ofc dude this is a preview they are adding these features again but they are all created from scratch thats why you lost them and get them once a month cause the coding differs i believe and its for the best :D
    juanitoriv likes this.
    08-14-2015 04:19 PM
  17. Panos Athanasiou's Avatar
    damnn i agree with everything :D and i would like to add that microsoft is getting phones to a new level with windows 10 ;) they get them to hand pc leve :D while the others are not even close to that xD well said bruh :D <3
    juanitoriv likes this.
    08-14-2015 04:23 PM
  18. Mad Cabbie's Avatar
    If Msoft can elevate WP to the level of acceptance of Win 10, with a full blown integration ( not a half hearted effort ), with ported apps and continuum, the future should be rosy for WP. Anyone with half a brain could market it better than Ms have done in the past. For 'professionals' the OS is more than capable. For 'other' market shares, we need ported apps for those who require games etc. Maybe they just need to be shown a WP running a game that requires a fair chunk of resources. I give you Asphalt 8.... My Hudl, quadcore intel, 2 gig ram, glitches like the character in Wreck it Ralph!! My sons 435 runs it like a dream. As well as the 'ported' apps, we need better integration with XBOX. There are millions of XBOX ones out there, so why haven't the gamers attracted to WP??

    Ms really need to think big and 'integrate' / 'market' to every aspect of their portfolio. Sadly, to draw people from Android and iOS, the store needs to be improved. As we all know, it is p**s poor! And then you get notified that one of the most used apps is being discontinued!! Really?
    Simon Botros likes this.
    08-14-2015 05:11 PM
  19. DumDee2's Avatar
    Microsoft messed up by trying to push windows 10 os to most of the devices all once. What they shoulda have done is start with the 640 series(since its the newest) and built windows 10 for that. Then work on other phones with similiar or higher specs. After that the phones below your starting baseline. Instead their are constant updates of features not working one device versus another or basic stuff not working because your trying push an updated system to a multitude of devices instead of just working on a particular core.
    08-14-2015 05:12 PM
  20. floppyedonkey's Avatar
    Seems like the op is smoking crack, because most of those items missing aren't missing at all. AND THIS IS A TP (TECHNICAL PREVIEW) DUH.

    Hold the windows home for reduced one handed operation, plus the space bar button lets you customize the keyboard, size and layout. Notifications are easier to deal with not sure whats wrong with you. Here Maps is replaced by a better integrated solutions.

    FB is now relied upon through it's own native app, many reasons behind that and its actually better including the removal of the "ME" section. less bog down on the OS for all those integrated API's (especially for people that don't care about social networking and all the services MS was trying to plugin to), which also made updating them difficult.

    I think you need to place some value on the fact this is one of the most fluid mobile OS. And at the end of the day if you are so unhappy with how things are progressing move on to a different OS.
    Last edited by floppyedonkey; 08-14-2015 at 06:34 PM.
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    08-14-2015 06:20 PM
  21. Zachary Boddy's Avatar
    Uh...no, Windows 10 Mobile isn't perfect. But the beautiful part of it is the Windows Insider program. It's the deep integration of Windows Feedback throughout the OS. It's the addition of almost every core feature being an application in the Windows Store, so it can be updated separately. It's marvelous, the potential here. Have patience.
    08-14-2015 08:50 PM
  22. Maaz Mansori's Avatar
    Some examples (but all you have to do is to try W10M):
    Impossible to use the phone with one hand (this is a big step backwards)! Difficult to clear notifications, No week numbers in calendar, no month view, no shared mail folders, no HERE maps/apps, no ME tile and FB sync, no customization of sounds, EDGE (does not work on most pages and does not sync) etc etc.

    Just use it and you will notice
    The one handed question was addressed. The procedure to clear notifications is the same as in 8.1, swipe down and clear all. Maybe I misunderstand what you are referring to? The calendar question was addressed. Here Maps & Here Drive automatically installed for me after a hard reset. FB sync works the same as in 8.1, via the Facebook app and enabling the Connect to Phone option. Yes, ME tile is gone though, but most people did not use it. Sounds can be customized in Notifications & Actions settings. Under the Show notifications from these apps section, just click on the actual text of which item you wish to customize, first example click on Messaging or Facebook, then select the Notification Sound. Of course ringtones and text tones can be selected for individual contacts in the People app, as before. EDGE loads sites for me just fine; many that didn't work good in IE work better in EDGE. Which specific sites are you have problems with? You should report them in the Windows Feedback app. EDGE sync does not work for me either but that should be fixed in a future build.
    08-14-2015 09:24 PM
  23. mandong's Avatar
    Just wondering what IOS & droid have that we don't? Better get some popcorn, because were not bovvered
    Try editing your DNS or copying photos then pasting it in an email.
    08-14-2015 10:01 PM
  24. Ian_Superfly's Avatar
    The one handed question was addressed.
    How? Windows home does at least not give me any “one hand mode” on my L925.

    The procedure to clear notifications is the same as in 8.1, swipe down and clear all.
    And how do you fast clear lets say all Whatsup messages but keep some emails?

    The calendar question was addressed.
    I have weeknumbers in WP8.1 but not in W10M.

    Here Maps & Here Drive automatically installed for me after a hard reset.
    Not on my L925 (after a hard reset). Still no HERE apps at all (and they are not in the store either).

    FB sync works the same as in 8.1, via the Facebook app and enabling the Connect to Phone option. Yes, ME tile is gone though, but most people did not use it.
    I.e. FB sync to a ME tile is not existing any more.

    Sounds can be customized in Notifications & Actions settings. Under the Show notifications from these apps section, just click on the actual text of which item you wish to customize, first example click on Messaging or Facebook, then select the Notification Sound. Of course ringtones and text tones can be selected for individual contacts in the People app, as before.
    Why can you not just change the ring tone fast and simple directly (per contact) in the phone app?

    EDGE loads sites for me just fine; many that didn't work good in IE work better in EDGE. Which specific sites are you have problems with?
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    You should report them in the Windows Feedback app. EDGE sync does not work for me either but that should be fixed in a future build.
    Let’s not hold our breaths…


    And, the dialpad is so bad in W10M that it worse than HTC from 2009…
    08-15-2015 04:40 AM
  25. AnkitGondalia's Avatar
    I want that pc like transparent action centre for w10m and new lockscreen.. :/
    08-15-2015 04:51 AM
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